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Why Josh Rosen Has The Making Of A Franchise Qb

Getting on the Rosen train as in knowing he's going to succeed, absolutely not. But any Dolphins fan not rooting for him to become the franchise QB is an idiot. I don't care about names, if that Rudock dude showed up for camp and was the best guy and we could win with him I'd be thrilled. Not sure why anyone wouldn't.

Rosen has talent, big deal. Lost of more talented players have failed in the NFL and many not as talented (at least perceived at draft time) have succeeded. Not to be corny but it's going to take buy in, hard work and more dedication than I can stress for Rosen to be successful. If he does that I see know reason why he will fail but doing that is very difficult or else many "good prospects" would be all pros.

I don't know if Rosen will succeed here but I like the trade/gamble. I'm rooting for the kid that's for sure. I certainly wouldn't let being right about what I post on a silly fan message forum skew my rooting interests :).

I don't watch or follow college or Arizona Cardinals football at all so any opinions I would have on Josh would be based on highlights and reading. I'd rather see him play myself.


I'm to the point of giving blind loyalty for the sake of fandom, is a bridge to far at this point. I want results.

Before the guy was on OUR favorite team, I had a opinion on him as a collegiate athlete and then what i did see of him last year did not abate any concerns.

Do I hope I'm wrong? Of course. But why must this place be all in or nothing? The same exact people are leading his fan club after doing the same for the better part of a DECADE for the previous administrations and their golden gun. And they do it with absolute ZERO shame.
 
Let not forget, with all of Tannehill's short comings, he was still the best QB since Marino.

I've liked just about everything I've read about Rosen since coming to Miami. However, I'm not ready to anoint him to anything more than a good QB battle this fall. His age and metrics are a big plus, but he needs to pass the eye test. Honestly, I didn't watch a single game of his last year with Cardinals. I hope he lives up to this thread's positive expectations. I am eager to see him in live action. Can't wait.

That's like saying he's the skinniest obese man
 
Prove a point? So should we all jump on the Rosen train for no other reason he was traded to Miami?

Hoops asked a simple question before the draft, if Rosen is there in a deal, do you take him.

I answered a flat NO. I'm seeing Tannehill v2.0, in the hype, the following and his excuse machine ramping up 7yr old echo chamber talking points.

Can I be wrong, sure. But I and a FEW others here never fell in love with Tannehill, and you people made a sport of mocking and shaming us. Until he was shipped off.

Now we got another guy, I didn't much like at UCLA and was happy when ARZ took him...as I believed then as I do know...its a lateral move.

I hope I'm wrong.

I don't see Tannehill.

Tannehill was an extremely athletic guy with a strong arm that happened to play QB. If Tannehill ever "got it" (how to play QB) he could of been good.

Rosen has been a blue chip QB since high school. Rosen's problem seems to be his attitude.
 
Prove a point? So should we all jump on the Rosen train for no other reason he was traded to Miami?

Hoops asked a simple question before the draft, if Rosen is there in a deal, do you take him.

I answered a flat NO. I'm seeing Tannehill v2.0, in the hype, the following and his excuse machine ramping up 7yr old echo chamber talking points.

Can I be wrong, sure. But I and a FEW others here never fell in love with Tannehill, and you people made a sport of mocking and shaming us. Until he was shipped off.

Now we got another guy, I didn't much like at UCLA and was happy when ARZ took him...as I believed then as I do know...its a lateral move.

I hope I'm wrong.

Tannehill's resume told you what he was, and that it would likely never amount to much more than that. Didn't play quarterback early in his high school career, despite being in a mediocre program. Obviously lingered on the bench and at other positions at Texas A&M for years. Redshirted in college. Didn't start a season opener at quarterback until beyond his 23rd birthday. I hate spending first round picks on kids who redshirted. I made that point immediately upon joining this forum in 2005, in regard to Ronnie Brown. How can somebody be worth the second pick in the draft when it's a running back who redshirted without a significant injury excuse? Makes no sense at all. Throw away the subjectivity and apply the wide scope. Auburn played him for a couple of games as a freshman then decided to redshirt him. The Dolphins spent two high first round picks on guys who were immediately redshirted in college. Neither one bombed but you'll never scare anybody or threaten top of the league with such uninspired thought process. It was the opposite of value.

I didn't want Rosen with the 11th pick last year. I remember being briefly nervous until Arizona traded up. I sensed Gase wasn't thrilled with Tannehill. How could any head coach with his future on the line be content with Ryan Tannehill, the human spare? But would Josh Rosen tempt Gase enough? I wasn't sure. Those 3rd down numbers at UCLA troubled me. Those three top defenders were still on the board -- Minkah, Derwin James and Tremaine Edmunds. It seemed all but certain Miami would choose among them and find a defensive building block, if we passed on Rosen.

I was happy the Cardinals pulled that move to jump ahead of us. But I'm even more pleased that the Dolphins acquired Rosen now. Let me be frank: Any version of the Miami Dolphins that doesn't include Ryan Tannehill is a tremendous relief. I am more interested in 2019 than any season since before he was drafted. Maybe there's some clarity atop the front office. As I emphasized a decade or so ago, the overpowering issue is lack of elite minds in the front office. None of the isolated decisions really mean much of anything, when that is the anchor. Even if you stumble upon a gem then you are a candidate to screw it up the next time, like the Charles Harris pick. I am hoping the Tannehill move indicates that we have moved beyond the smarts deficit.

Months before the 2019 draft I remember when the Rosen topic surfaced here. Kdawg or one of the guys who always understands value said he would definitely trade a 2nd round pick for Rosen without any thought whatsoever. It might have been someone else but I'm confident it was Kdawg. He understands how to evaluate situations like that. He broke down his reasoning and I agreed in a followup post. Then the Dolphins and this forum had months of weaving and intermingling nonsense before it did come down to that decision. The Dolphins did an incredible job of dropping to a lower second round slot. I grinned and I can't remember the last time I grinned at any Dolphins move. It was blatantly obvious what would play out next.

Rosen's 2018 season was lousy. I don't care. I am not beholden to results in comparison to how someone has always been rated in relation to his peers. Results aren't particularly important for a quarterback already starting in the NFL at 21 years old.
 
I'm to the point of giving blind loyalty for the sake of fandom, is a bridge to far at this point. I want results.

Before the guy was on OUR favorite team, I had a opinion on him as a collegiate athlete and then what i did see of him last year did not abate any concerns.

Do I hope I'm wrong? Of course. But why must this place be all in or nothing? The same exact people are leading his fan club after doing the same for the better part of a DECADE for the previous administrations and their golden gun. And they do it with absolute ZERO shame.

As long as you’re rooting for him to succeed that’s all I mean. It’s fine if you don’t think he will but I just can’t see rooting against it. Doesn’t make sense.
 
It’s funny how seemingly everybody is so focused on pocket presence as THE trait to have to become an elite QB. Almost every QB prospect discussion since the end of the season started with pocket presence. It’ll take a lot more than that for Josh Rosen to become a real good QB.
 
Up to this point I would say Rosen has better pocket presence and a more natural look as a passer to me (less robotic). But Tannehill made less mistakes than Rosen has been prone to making. I would love to see a happy medium of Rosen staying aggressive at times, but not turning the ball over.

Your comparing a rookie QB on the worst team in football to an 8 year Vet?
 
As long as you’re rooting for him to succeed that’s all I mean. It’s fine if you don’t think he will but I just can’t see rooting against it. Doesn’t make sense.


Is it ok to root against fitz cause he’s literally got zero future in Miami? If not guilty as charged.

I mean isn’t the long term future at qb what this team and fan base is hoping/ looking for? What else matters? Meaningless wins are just that meaningless
 
It’s funny how seemingly everybody is so focused on pocket presence as THE trait to have to become an elite QB. Almost every QB prospect discussion since the end of the season started with pocket presence. It’ll take a lot more than that for Josh Rosen to become a real good QB.

Strawman.

As far as i can see no one is saying it's THE trait to becoming an elite QB. It would be foolish to think that it is the only component, and it would also be foolish to think it's not a critical component.

After the last 7 seasons fans are starving to see someone with competent pocket presence and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
A lot of talk about pocket presence. Remember, in this NE style offense the ball comes out very fast. That's why it's so hard to get to Brady, by the time you get there the ball is out.
 
Rosens got the best feel for space in tbe pocket this teams seen in a long time.

Doesn’t mean he’s got the cahonas for contact and if it turns out he doesn’t you are gonna see a qb whose pocket presence falls off.

Probably the biggest fear of all. I don’t think this kids as fearless as pre injury tannehill was in terms of contact. Here’s hoping he never has to take as much. Muscle memory for contact is not a wives tail.

Tennis frame doesn’t help.
 
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A lot of talk about pocket presence. Remember, in this NE style offense the ball comes out very fast. That's why it's so hard to get to Brady, by the time you get there the ball is out.


Brady’s never had his guards in his lap before his back foot could hit or inside and outside pressure in a nanosecond to deal with. So he doesn’t have tbe muscle memory to overcome. Which has probably aided him in becoming for a pure pocket passer a plus feel for pressure qb. He’s got the side step he’s got the climb he’s got the feel for wide pressure and space.
 
Ah rooting for the kid to fail in Miami to prove a point.

no way. the move has been made i hope it pans out. i just would have stuck to the full rebuild plan and taken a qb at the top next year. yeah we can still do that but at what cost if we win 6 meaningless games and are picking 10-12....
 
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