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If Miami Is Bad Enough To Get The First Overall Pick In The 2020 Draft...

Should Flores be kept if Miami has the worst record in the NFL?

  • Yes

    Votes: 136 90.1%
  • No

    Votes: 15 9.9%

  • Total voters
    151
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are picking early based on the additions after the subtractions this was a Classic rebuild outside one OT and one Corner

He got three years for a reason
 
If you admit the team is devoid of talent, why would they fire him bc of the season’s results? Yes Arizona did this last year but they aren’t relevant to start.
 
Obviously, the % is purely subjective conjecture.

Do you rate all top 10 QB draft picks @ 5%, or you just don't like Rosen?

#opinionsdontmatter
He hates the Rosen acquisition. :lol:
He hates it so much that he would hate for Rosen to be successful. He hates it so much that he defended his co-host/buddy's statement on Twitter. This is the mindset....

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He hates the Rosen acquisition. :lol:
He hates it so much that he would hate for Rosen to be successful. He hates it so much that he defended his co-host/buddy's statement on Twitter. This is the mindset....

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Ahhh....

I remember that tweet, but didn't realize it was the game guy.

At the time I thought it was a very bizarre attitude.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
Obviously, the % is purely subjective conjecture.

Do you rate all top 10 QB draft picks @ 5%, or you just don't like Rosen?

#opinionsdontmatter
I think 5% is about right for Rosen but obviously there's no clear cut number for this. You're right that top 10 draft picks might have a better than 5% rate, but you also have to account for Rosen's rookie season, which was dismal at best, you just have to bring that % down. A quick way to get a somewhat realistic number here would be to go back 20 drafts and count how many of the top half QB first round picks actually became franchise QBs... But even then it'll only be a ballpark because you wont have sufficient data...
 
I think 5% is about right for Rosen but obviously there's no clear cut number for this. You're right that top 10 draft picks might have a better than 5% rate, but you also have to account for Rosen's rookie season, which was dismal at best, you just have to bring that % down. A quick way to get a somewhat realistic number here would be to go back 20 drafts and count how many of the top half QB first round picks actually became franchise QBs... But even then it'll only be a ballpark because you wont have sufficient data...
I have actually done exactly that when pointing out that drafting a QB high in no way gaurantees getting a "franchise" guy, Tua for example.

You are correct, there are far more average guys than game changers.

As I stated in my original post the 33% was quote "just to throw out a #". It was for purposes of an example to explain my thought process from a risk/cost/reward perspective.

I can be swayed off the 33%, as it was just an example, but 5% is way to low, IMO. When it comes down to it, it is all opinion anyway, irrespective of how it actually turns out.
 
Details matter.

Is it 33%?

Because in actuality it's more like 5%.

Uh.

You and I agree about a lot of things. This isn’t one of them. Trying to denigrate the statistic of 33% chance of success in favor of your opinion of 5%, and then passing it off as factual, is every bit as silly as someone “guaranteeing” that Easton Stick never plays a down as a QB in the NFL.

You’re putting numbers on an arbitrary measurement with a hell of a lot of variables around it.
 
He should get a raise, if he gets us the #1 pick...I mean, he's a Patriot, so Ross will probably just get him a tugboat...and by that I mean a Philippino masseuse with a tramp stamp that reads "tugboat."
Cause every man needs one of those....
 
No need for a personal attack

This one's on me but next one will cost you

Please do not respond just knock it off
 
Uh.

You and I agree about a lot of things. This isn’t one of them. Trying to denigrate the statistic of 33% chance of success in favor of your opinion of 5%, and then passing it off as factual, is every bit as silly as someone “guaranteeing” that Easton Stick never plays a down as a QB in the NFL.

You’re putting numbers on an arbitrary measurement with a hell of a lot of variables around it.
It might not be factual, but come on man, 33% is a pipe dream... Hell top half 1st round picks dont even have close to a 33% success rate, nevermind after playing the same exact statistical as Ryan Tannehill as their debut season... Im as critical of CK as anyone on this board but there's no way you give Rosen those odds, especially considering the OL the Fins are going to field this season...
 
If Miami is bad enough to get the first overall pick in the 2020 draft, does this coaching staff deserve to stay?

Miami's roster is arguably the worst in the NFL. If Miami somehow gets 5 or more wins, it speaks volumes to what this coaching staff can accomplish. But an overachieving team can ruin draft position.

Even being devoid of a lot of talent, would you blame the coaching staff if Miami had the worst record in the NFL? And if they do, does it make sense to keep a coaching staff that led a team to the worst record?

Comment what you think Miami's record will be in 2019. I'm saying 5-11.
I don’t think Flores would be fired unless he completely loses the locker room and there is a top tier coach available.
I think we’ll be 3-13 due to our lack of pass rush, right side of our o-line, and qb play.
With a high pick, a lot of picks and all that cap space in 2020, the team will have to show vast improvement in order for this regime to keep their jobs.
 
I already think we have the worst coach in the NFL. He has never been a candidate anywhere and no one else really had him on their radar. He has done very little to distinguish himself , much like the other last 4 we hired.

I actually think there is talent and potential on this roster, but it will not show until the next regime. I expect Rosen to be the starter and to have a David Woodley-like career for a while. Our next playoff QB is still in college... probably at Clemson ;)

You will see very little of me this upcoming season. This year I will basically be on sabbatical from the Dolphins. Life gets in the way...
 
It might not be factual, but come on man, 33% is a pipe dream... Hell top half 1st round picks dont even have close to a 33% success rate, nevermind after playing the same exact statistical as Ryan Tannehill as their debut season... Im as critical of CK as anyone on this board but there's no way you give Rosen those odds, especially considering the OL the Fins are going to field this season...

Here are the QB taken in the top half of the first round in the past five drafts:

Blake Bortles
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Mitch Trubisky
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Allen
Josh Rosen

Those odds are looking better recently.
 
we won't be because of him, it would be in spite of him. he is a ****ing rookie coach. what a dumb ****ing question
 
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