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Holliday signs w/ Fins

fear-the-d said:
i would of prefered to see Burgess and Carter signed! Holliday hasnt done much for a while!

I thought the same thing... his last two years he hasn't exactly lit up the stat sheet. But he was also playing on the team with a top 3 Offense (so the D was on the field alot) he switched D-Coordinators , and most of his counterparts SUCK!! I think we will see a rebirth of Holliday in Miami.
 
Didn't Green Bay take Holliday in the first round with our pick after we traded down to take that Bozo John Avery? I guess he has come full circle now and we can finally get SOME value out of that pick because Avery was horrible!
 
Burgess is the guy I want. Keep your fingers crossed when he comes to town next week...
 
caneaddict said:
Where is John Avery these days anyway (the guy we traded down to pick)

The last I heard he was a KR with the Vikings... but that probably has changed.

I was one of the few who celebrated when we signed Avery. He was one of those talents that sky rocketed up the draft board on the weeks leading to the draft. He was the fastest RB and by draft day was considered a late 1st round pick. Remember... Jimmy Johnson came out and told the world... "I Like John Avery!" That's what first alerted me to the guy. So I watched his highlight real... and I was hooked... it seemed every time he got outside he was gone... I remember reading a stat about how many long runs he had... it was unbelievable.. So when we drafted him I was estatic. And then I watched our preseason game at San Francisco... and on like his third carry he broke outside and turned on the burners... racing 77 yards down the sideline for a TD... I am sure some of you can remember that.... I was thinking... WOW! We have drafted ourselves a Barry Sanders. And then NOTHING! We ended up trading him the next off season for Denver's #1 pick, WR Nash.. John Nash I think.. and we cut him like two weeks later... So our 1997 top pick was a classic BUST...

Foolish me... At the time I thought the pick was BRILLIANT!
 
I see the line-up more like this:

DE-Holliday
DT-Bowens, Chester
DE-Carter
OLB-Taylor, Moore
ILB-Thomas
ILB-Seau, Pope
OLB-Bowens, Jenkins
CB-Madison, Roundtree
CB-Howard, Poole
FS-Tillman, Atkins
SS-Kennedy, Bell, Bua
 
This is a good signing for us. But now i am kind of worried that we wont get Carter since we picked up Holliday.
 
Yea i like the signing of Vonnie Holliday. I wouldnt mind picking up Kevin Carter, but instead of Vonnie....i wouldve preferred Burgess, Burgess is pretty young. If we pickup Carter or Burgess...then we need to start looking at linebackers. So far Matt Stewart is our number one bet for linebacker. All we really need is one linebacker signing, cuz we already have Thomas-Seau-Pope, then possibly Taylor and Bowens playing outside..after that we should start to look at defensive backs like Kennedy. The only down side of it is, we SHOULD be looking at our offensive line instead of defensive line. I think a straight up trade between Surtain and Hutchinson might be good.....or Surtain and of Kansas City's OLs would be a good pickup.
 
JohnDolphin73 said:
I see the line-up more like this:

DE-Holliday
DT-Bowens, Chester
DE-Carter
OLB-Taylor, Moore
ILB-Thomas
ILB-Seau, Pope
OLB-Bowens, Jenkins
CB-Madison, Roundtree
CB-Howard, Poole
FS-Tillman, Atkins
SS-Kennedy, Bell, Bua

:hmmm: Seau is a perfect OLB for a 3-4 IMO

I still believe JT can play DE in a 3-4 though it w/b tough for him to get sacks like he does now.
 
ether79 said:
Well for me i'm gonna wait to see this year before judging any signings. We don't know what Saban is looking for in players, what he sees in those players and how they might perform with the right coaching and scheme.
Amen brother! We can all speculate on what we think. Saban has a plan. We just have to wait and see if it comes together.
 
ChambersWI said:
Here is something from an article from Joe Schad hot offf the press.

"Meanwhile, Carter's agent, Harold Lewis, said late Friday afternoon that nothing would be finalized before today. But it's believed that the Titans are not willing to meet Carter's needs on a new contract, leaving Miami the clear favorite"

I don't know if he knew we signed Holliday yet, but it's worth mentioning.

Here are some other things yall might be interested in.

"Noteworthy: The Dolphins are interested in free-agent safety Marlon McCree, a Daytona Beach native. ... Linebacker Donnie Spragan will visit Miami and Seattle. Atlanta is also interested. ... Safety Kenoy Kennedy will visit Miami and Atlanta. ... Linebacker Anthony Simmons is interested in Miami."

Marlon McCree would be a good signing. I've always liked his play.
 
Lungoystr said:
I agree.....especially with both Chester and Bowens coming off of injury and the possible departure of Zgonina. Having Carter would certainly be good insurance.

:roflmao: I love your signature!
 
Muck said:
Look at the ends we've signed/persued. All big boys. 6-5 and up. 280 and up. Marcus Spears anyone??

Either we're eyeing a switch to (or integration of) the 3-4 or we're beefing up the interior pass rush for Saban's aggressive 4-3.

If this is a 4-3 signing, it's a depth acquisition. Much like Bryan Robinson was. Veteran guy who can play inside and out. I REALLY hope we can land Kevin Carter. Proven vet with a ring and plenty in the tank. Guy has never missed a game. I believe that deal can still get done.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Saban interviews these lineman, because you know they're talking schematics.

Nick Saban likes bigger defensive ends, and not for the 3-4. He likes them to be bigger because they defend the run better, and that is the first responsibility he has for his defensive linemen. Look at the defensive ends he had at LSU: Jarvis Green (6'3", 275 lbs), Marquis Hill (6'7", 300 lbs), Marcus Spears (6'4", 305 lbs).

Even at Michigan State, Nick Saban had defensive ends like Robaire Smith (6'5", 324 lbs), Dimitrious Underwood (6'6", 312 lbs), and Hubert Thompson (6'4", 280 lbs).
 
ckparrothead said:
I still like Carter better, but having both gives us the advantage of having two very good 3-4 DE's and all of the sudden we have the ability to pull Jason Taylor and David Bowens back into 3-4 OLB positions. Junior Seau has experience manning the ILB spot in the 3-4, and Zach would be the question mark.

You take Larry Chester and Tim Bowens rotating at the NT spot, add an Anthony Simmons to the mix at linebacker for rotation purposes (to make sure we're not depending on JT and D-Bo as starting every down 3-4 OLBs) and all of the sudden IMO we have ourselves the 3-4 personnel that everyone claimed would be impossible to put together in Saban's first year.

Add that to the fact that in the 4-3 alignment we can put JT back at his more natural RDE position, rotate Vonnie Holliday and Kevin Carter at LDE, with Larry Chester, Tim Bowens and another DT yet to be named (or drafted, rather), and you have Zach to man the MLB spot, an Anthony Simmons or Donnie Spragan or Matt Stewart to man the SSLB spot (or WSLB depending on whether it is Simmons or Spragan/Stewart) and Junior Seau.

Overall add all these names and I'm seeing a lot of high quality rotation, and a lot of 3-4 alignments that KB21 was sooooo sure would never materialize.


A couple of corrections here. I never said 3-4 alignments wouldn't be used. In fact, I said that Nick likely wants to integrate some of those tactics into his defense. What I did say was that the 3-4 wouldn't become the base defense for the Dolphins.

Secondly, how are Kevin Carter and Vonnie Holliday perfect 3-4 defensive ends when neither have every played in the 3-4 system? Kevin Carter has played in the 4-3 and the 46 defense during his career, and Holliday has played in the 4-3.
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
Dimitrious Underwood (6'6", 312 lbs),

ouch! what a shame!

Oops. I spelled his name wrong. It is Dimitrius.

Anyway, he was an impressive physical speciman. Just goes to show you that you can't count on people with mental problems like him and Ricky despite their talent.
 
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