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10 most overrated NFL draft prospects according to ESPN/PFF

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1. Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
While most left the combine in awe of Waynes' speed, the discussion among PFF analysts centered on the fact that his 20-yard shuttle (4.39 seconds) was slower than his 40 time (4.31), a rare feat we couldn't recall seeing. That poor change-of-direction ability was evident on tape, and is a problem at a position where change of direction is vital.

Moreover, for someone who possessed the recovery speed to not have to worry about getting beat deep, Waynes was fairly average breaking on intermediate routes and had only three pass breakups on 59 targets. His mark for yards per coverage snap allowed was just about average, at 1.04, but he was exposed against the most talented passing team the Spartans faced all year (Oregon). In that game in Week 2, he yielded 113 yards on seven targets, including a touchdown.


2. Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon
It seems as though many look at Armstead's measurables (6-foot-7, 292 pounds, 5.1-second 40-yard dash) and his position (3-4 defensive end) and can't foresee him becoming anything other than Calais Campbell. What has gotten overlooked for the most part, however, is that Campbell had as many sacks his sophomore season of college (10.5) as Armstead had his entire Oregon career.

Defensive line is one of the positions where physical freaks can easily dominate in college with little to no technique. That is why it's concerning that Armstead produced well outside the upper echelon of defensive linemen. The Oregon defensive end graded out as our No. 20 interior linemen against power five schools, and posted middling numbers in run-stop percentage (7.1) and pass-rushing productivity (6.0) for the season. Those are worrisome numbers for a potential top-15 pick.


3. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa
This one comes with a caveat, as we think Scherff could possibly be a fantastic guard, it's just that if you plug him in at left tackle next season you'll be sorely disappointed. It's difficult to see the Outland Trophy winner ever being an effective pass protector on the edge. Scherff wasn't close to the top of our tackle rankings, even after facing a fairly weak slate of edge rushers in the Big Ten. The Iowa tackle's 96.2 pass-blocking efficiency was 62nd out of the 95 draft-eligible tackles.

People have fallen in love with Scherff's ability to plant a defender to the turf, but when asked to play in space on the edge, Scherff lacked the length and feet quickness to regularly engage defenders. His skill set translates much better to guard in the NFL, but even there he would be something of a question mark.


4. Bud Dupree, LB, Kentucky
After one of the most impressive performances in the history of the combine and a productive senior season, it is easy to see why Dupree has become a consensus first-rounder among draft analysts. However, when we dug deeper into his stats and film, there were some red flags that popped up.

The most meaningful one is that only three of his 36 pressures came against tackles with positive pass-blocking grades for the season. While he posted an overall respectable pass-rushing productivity mark of 9.8, that number dropped to 7.1 against SEC competition. A third of those pressures against SEC competition came versus Missouri's right tackle, Taylor Chappell, who had the second-worst pass-blocking grade in the country.

It's also worth noting that despite being 6-foot-4, 269 pounds, Dupree didn't generate a single pressure off of a bull rush last season. Those stats paint the picture of a player who feasted on weak competition and then put up impressive workout numbers, rather than a complete pass-rusher.


5. Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan
Funchess is a tweener who some project as a "move" tight end in the NFL. Our analysts saw a different story, as we thought he had neither the radical size advantage to out-muscle corners nor the quickness to consistently beat linebackers. To top it off, he showed very little promise as a run blocker.

This means Funchess is likely limited to a "big slot" role like Marques Colston. However, playing the slot requires a certain level of consistency that Funchess simply doesn't possess yet, and he'll have to improve in that area. The 6-foot-4, 232-pound receiver had an 8.8 percent drop rate (8.3 percent was the NCAA average) to go along with a handful of misses on attempted contested catches.


6. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State
Goldman has many of the traits you look for in a nose tackle at the NFL level. He holds up well versus double-teams and has the strength to control most one-on-one blocks. He was by no means special in that regard, however, and was fairly poor at shedding and making the stop himself. In fact, his 5.3 run-stop percentage was well below average for this class.

Run defense aside, if you are taking a nose tackle in the first round, he better provide some complementary pass-rushing ability, and Goldman did not last season. The Florida State defensive lineman finished with a 5.5 in pass-rushing productivity, a figure far less than half that of the leader among D-linemen, Stanford's Henry Anderson (12.1).


7. Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami
Everyone loves speed at the receiver position because it is so hard to find, but consider the following: 38 receivers have run sub-4.4 40-yard dashes since the 2009 combine, and only six are now a top-two receiver on their respective teams. The main takeaway is that speed can help, but one needs to do so many other things well to be a complete receiver in the NFL.

With Dorsett, we didn't see much besides elite speed. He's undersized at 5-foot-10, 185 pounds, and is still an unrefined route runner. Of his 67 targets last season, 40 came on deep routes (go, deep crosser, post and corner). He'll have to run a much more varied route tree at the next level. DeSean Jackson goes deep as often as anyone in the NFL, and even he was only targeted on downfield routes 37 percent of the time last season.

There's certainly a lot of potential here, but with all the other proven talent at receiver in this draft, taking Dorsett in the first round would be a substantial gamble.


8. Shaq Thompson, S/LB, Washington
People have been in love with Thompson's athleticism since he was a five-star recruit coming out of high school in Sacramento. However, all the athleticism in the world won't make up for poor instincts as a linebacker, and Thompson has yet to show he can make the necessary reads for the position. His 7.3 run-stop percentage was 41st among 58 draft-eligible starting inside linebackers, and he was an overall ineffective player against the run, outside of forcing and recovering fumbles.

Thompson's skill set translates better to safety, as he was smooth in coverage and has nickelback experience, but it's hard to feel comfortable picking a player early for a position you've never seen him play.


9. P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
After watching all of Williams' plays this season, our analysts agreed that the most accurate description of him is "inconsistent." Inconsistency at cornerback in the NFL is synonymous with getting benched, as defensive coordinators won't put up with the types of highs and lows Williams experienced last season.

While the Florida State corner was aggressive and productive around the line of scrimmage, he gave up tons of ground on intermediate and deep routes when receivers got a hint of initial space. Williams actually graded out negatively in coverage, in no small part due to his silly habit of not wrapping up receivers after the catch. He missed 11 tackles in coverage last season, and his ratio of a miss on every 6.2 attempts was 79th out of 101 starters in the class.


10. Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State
McKinney is a fantastic athlete whose size (6-foot-4, 246 pounds) and explosiveness (a 4.66 in the 40-yard dash, a 40.5-inch vertical leap) have him at or near the top of most inside linebacker rankings. The trouble is that all of our analysts who broke down his games agreed they wouldn't trust McKinney as anything more than a two-down linebacker. That still has value, but not early-round value.

McKinney's 0.81 yards per coverage snap was below the class average of 0.71, and he made a paltry five stops in coverage all season, 66th among inside linebackers (Eric Kendricks led, with 28). His biggest problem was bringing down receivers in space, as he had only seven solo tackles in coverage, compared to five missed tackles.

Having watched Dorsett for all 4 years I will defend him here on the routes they had him run. It was exactly his fault he only ran deep routes, that was more a function of the Head coach and the OC. The current OC has only been there for two years but Dorsett was running deep routes before that becuase Al Golden stuck him in that role and didn't really use him any other way. I said a long time ago someone is going to draft Dorsett and be very happy with him.
 
interesting list...dsagree on pj williams and eddie goldman...if im taking goldman it's for poa strength not pass rush and while its true he doesnt give you much of that i dont care...pj williams competes his ass off and he's very physical for a corner...i like him as a #2 dont think he's a #1 pro...slot and boundary versatility...sherff as a tackle yep overrated and bad idea sherff as a guard though seems a solid thing to me

definitely think i got caught in the 4.31 thing with waynes...minnesota is heavy press man think it's the right fit for him...that's not what we do barring a change in philosophy...scheme fit wise kevin johnson looks the part
 
Good post. Thanks for the info.

This bolsters my stance on not taking Waynes with the 14th pick. My original reasoning was the time it takes for CBs to transition to the NFL. We need a year one impact player in the first round. Recent history shows we aren't going to get that from a CB.
 
I'm in agreement with most of this list.

Except Scherff, as Id have him listed as a top notch guard, not a tackle.

And I think Funchess has dropped enough at this point not to be considered overrated anymore.

And did espn & PFF put this list together? Or did espn use PFF stats to out it together?
 
wow... great post.... and a lot of this basically i totally agree with. great read!!!


Waynes we def could see his footwork needs work in film and his hips were stiffer (but he showed better hips in combine)... but yeah his feet def need work and his route awareness can improve.

Armstead i havent been a big fan on anyways, with how high he plays, and his hands arent the greatest... what they said on him does show too that he doesnt dominate games. interesting!!!

Scherff I dont see a problem at all... he is going to play OG... i agree with no for him at OT, i think most of us all saw that.

Funchess from the start I have stated as a definite NO to draft... dont want him at all!!!

Dupree I have been saying is overrated too... very athletic with ability, but very raw fundamentally. plays confused against the run with bad angles, doesnt use his hands well, doesnt use strength, doesnt rip around the edge in pass rush, lots to learn fundamentally and technique wise... he is a work in progress.

Goldman has many question marks many people have stated... there are also so many more talented DT in the draft that arent rated as highly, but i think wil produce better and play more sound in the NFL than him anyways.

Dorsett I agree... he does need work on more variety of routes, he does need to make sure he is hauling in everything... but he has that ability to develop it quick. i actually liked his footwork from when i saw him in drills and on the field. SPEED SPEED SPEED too as we all know!!!

Shaq Thompson I also had on my list of definitely NO to draft. he just isnt a dominant, solid, fundamentally sound player in any of the positions he played in college... great athlete, but so what. plus i persnally think safety is his best spot for the NFL... your guys choice.

PJ Williams i said the same... liked his film a lot when i watched, but after a bit you can see his inconsistencies, his inability to stay with after double moves, his route awareness lacked, and he didnt have best footwork out of WR breaks.... he struggled often though has great ability as an athlete.

McKinney I am shocked to see on this list, but i agree on his fall from first round talent from watching his film. but agree with the right up he is AWFUL in coverage, almost looks lost and not understanding what is happening around him with his teammates. also questioning him as a sure tackler.... I am a Kendricks guy!!!
 
I'm in agreement with most of this list.

Except Scherff, as Id have him listed as a top notch guard, not a tackle.

And I think Funchess has dropped enough at this point not to be considered overrated anymore.

And did espn & PFF put this list together? Or did espn use PFF stats to out it together?

ESPN and PFF started working together either late last year or sometime early this year. They've collaborated on some good articles for ESPN.

Funchess hasn't dropped as far as you might think. Average ranking of 52.1 on the 10 sites I use (which I hope to have posted tomorrow in the draft forum...just waiting on Drafttek's latest rankings). Early in the process I think he was late 20's early 30's but there were plenty (who stopped clamoring after the combine) around here that wanted us to draft him at 14.
 
Having watched Dorsett for all 4 years I will defend him here on the routes they had him run. It was exactly his fault he only ran deep routes, that was more a function of the Head coach and the OC. The current OC has only been there for two years but Dorsett was running deep routes before that becuase Al Golden stuck him in that role and didn't really use him any other way. I said a long time ago someone is going to draft Dorsett and be very happy with him.
Wow, great article. If someone else wrote it though, please credit them and link to the article, so FH doesn't have intellectual property issues down the road. If you wrote this 55, WELL FREAKIN' DONE!!! Either way, thanks.

I love this article. I agree with the vast majority of it too. These are some of the very reasons I'm not as high on Goldman, Dupree, Funchess, Thompson and McKinney as most people. Good analysis and metrics.

What I love most about this article though is that these viewpoints will cause some GM's to pass on Scherff and Waynes in round 1. I wholeheartedly see Scherff as a G more than a T, and I he does play T it should be RT. James, on the other hand, is more of a poor man's LT playing RT. Scherff would dramatically change our run game at G, whike being a substantial upgrade in the passing game. He is exactly what we need against the Bills, Jets, and other top defenses.

Waynes may not test out well in the 3 cone, but that doesn't always show lateral agility in shoulder pads and cleats. Watching his tape, you see a good cover guy with enough agility to excel in the NFL. That recovery speed is awesome. His only real flaw is that he relies too much on grabbing as a crutch. He has the feet to cover closely and break on the ball. I'd love to have Coyle coach him up if the other GM's are dumb enough to let him slide to us.
 
Very informative, thanks for posting. I would be very interested to see if they did a similar thing in previous years, see if their concerns were indeed accurate.

Since Waynes is being mocked to us on various mocks and seems to be a favourite with a lot of the people on here, that's a little concerning. I don't believe for a second we would take Dorsett in the first. Sounds like they are endorsing Scherff at guard so that's a good thing because we are not looking for a tackle.
 
Very informative, thanks for posting. I would be very interested to see if they did a similar thing in previous years, see if their concerns were indeed accurate.

Since Waynes is being mocked to us on various mocks and seems to be a favourite with a lot of the people on here, that's a little concerning. I don't believe for a second we would take Dorsett in the first. Sounds like they are endorsing Scherff at guard so that's a good thing because we are not looking for a tackle.

I think most on here have said Scherff would be a starting guard in the NFL but not a starting OT...maybe play some Tackle in a pinch but not full time. Makes me wonder if most NFL teams view him the same way, as a guard prospect only and will that cause him to drop. Few years ago Chance Warmack (10th overall) and Jonathan Cooper (7th overall) were taken top 10 and neither have had the impact those teams were hoping for...of course Cooper was injured in the preseason and missed his entire rookie season.
 
I think it is a great list. I am going to do my Man Crush list soon and I got 7 of those guys on my list.

Kevin Johnson is the best CB in this draft.
 
Good list. I agree with most of it, although not Goldman and Dorsett. Scherff I'm not sure about. I like him but not as much as several other linemen in this draft.

Trae Waynes would be an extremely disappointing selection. He plays narrow and frail and has very small hands. Big candidate to simply get outmuscled on contested balls and run defense in the upper league. He reminds me of Grimes somewhat in that for all his speed he can lose contact quickly. Baylor receivers blew right past him frequently. He was awful in the Oregon game, as mentioned in the write up.
 
Good list. I agree with most of it, although not Goldman and Dorsett. Scherff I'm not sure about. I like him but not as much as several other linemen in this draft.

Trae Waynes would be an extremely disappointing selection. He plays narrow and frail and has very small hands. Big candidate to simply get outmuscled on contested balls and run defense in the upper league. He reminds me of Grimes somewhat in that for all his speed he can lose contact quickly. Baylor receivers blew right past him frequently. He was awful in the Oregon game, as mentioned in the write up.
Trae doesn't shy from contact. In fact he's pretty physical but sometimes in a bad way. He is nowhere ear as weak at brent grimes, and was a top performer bench pressing at the combine. He didn't play well in the oregon games but every elite CB has a bad game. 2 touchdowns allowed in 2 years is not bad, especially with no safety help.
 
Not a bad list. I wouldn't say Scherff is overrated, and he will play OG with his short arms. I would substitute the name Breshad Perriman over Phillip Dorsett at the WR spot.
 
Trae Waynes may be over rated but he's still probably the best corner in this draft. Much like Breshad Perriman I expect Waynes to go pretty hi simply due to great measurable talent and a very high ceiling.
 
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