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1st round WR Ranking

finfan54 said:
Chris Harper 6'2 230 lbs 4.45 40

Priority #1 for Philbin:

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My thing with Harper is that when I watch him, he doesn't look like a sub-4.5 guy. He really struggles to create separation, and he's less than 6'1. For the style he plays, I think he has to be a couple inches taller. Although, I could see him resembling a present-day A. Boldin. Again, though, present-day A. Boldin doesn't run a sub-4.5 (4.71 combine time).
 
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RkChgPlayerCollegeHtWtP1P2DifBIOVID
1Luke JoeckelTexas A&M6'6"310LOTROT-32BIOVID
2Bjoern WernerFlorida State6'4"273DE43OLB34-7BIOVID
3Jarvis JonesGeorgia6'2"242OLB34OLB430BIOVID
4Star LotuleleiUtah6'3"325DT43DT34-6BIOVID
5Dee MillinerAlabama6'1"196CBBIOVID
6Damontre MooreTexas A&M6'4"250DE43OLB34-39BIOVID
7Eric FisherCentral Michigan6'7"305LOTBIOVID
8--Barkevious MingoLSU6'4"240OLB34DE43-16BIOVID
9--Johnathan HankinsOhio State6'3"335DT43DT34-5BIOVID
10Chance WarmackAlabama6'3"320OGBIOVID
11--Dion JordanOregon6'6"246DE43OLB340BIOVID
12Keenan AllenCalifornia6'3"205WRFWRP0BIOVID
13Sheldon RichardsonMissouri6'3"290DT43DE34-44BIOVID
14Xavier RhodesFlorida State6'1"215CBBIOVID
15Geno SmithWest Virginia6'3"213QBBIOVID
16Kenny VaccaroTexas6'1"215SSFS0BIOVID
17Kevin MinterLSU6'1"245SILBBIOVID
18Tyler EifertNotre Dame6'5"249TEBIOVID
19
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+57		Cordarrelle PattersonTennessee6'3"205WRFBIOVID
20Jonathan JenkinsGeorgia6'3"359DT34DT43-18BIOVID
21Tavon AustinWest Virginia5'9"176WRSBIOVID
22Johnthan BanksMississippi State6'1"185CBBIOVID
23Datone JonesUCLA6'4"280DE43BIOVID
24Lane JohnsonOklahoma6'6"303LOTROT-47BIOVID
25Alec OgletreeGeorgia6'3"241WILBOLB430BIOVID
26Sam MontgomeryLSU6'4"248DE43OLB34-13BIOVID
27Jonathan CooperNorth Carolina6'3"310OGBIOVID
28Manti Te'oNotre Dame6'2"255SILBBIOVID
29Justin HunterTennessee6'4"205WRPWRF0BIOVID
30Tyler WilsonArkansas6'3"215QBBIOVID
31Desmond TrufantWashington6'0"185CBBIOVID
32D.J. FlukerAlabama6'6"355ROTBIOVID
33Giovani BernardNorth Carolina5'10"205RBFBIOVID
34Zach ErtzStanford6'5"250TEBIOVID
35Sharrif FloydFlorida6'3"298DT43BIOVID
36DeAndre HopkinsClemson6'1"200WRFBIOVID
37Jesse WilliamsAlabama6'3"320DT34DT430BIOVID
38Ezekiel AnsahBrigham Young6'5"270DE43OLB34-56BIOVID
39Barrett JonesAlabama6'4"312OCOG-23BIOVID
40Terrance WilliamsBaylor6'1"190WRFBIOVID
41Jordan PoyerOregon State5'11"190CBBIOVID
42Arthur BrownKansas State6'1"228WILBOLB430BIOVID
43Eric ReidLSU6'2"208FSBIOVID
44Alex OkaforTexas6'4"260OLB34DE430BIOVID
45Robert WoodsUSC6'1"184WRFBIOVID
46
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+76		Zac DysertMiami (OH)6'3"214QBBIOVID
47Sylvester WilliamsNorth Carolina6'3"320DE34DT340BIOVID
48Matt ElamFlorida5'10"206SSBIOVID
49Eddie LacyAlabama5'10"220RBFBIOVID
50Jamar TaylorBoise State5'11"198CBBIOVID
51Tyler BrayTennessee6'5"210QBBIOVID
52Larry WarfordKentucky6'3"336OGBIOVID
53
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+42		Tavarres KingGeorgia6'1"192WRFBIOVID
54Khaseem GreeneRutgers6'1"220OLB43WILB0BIOVID
55Matt BarkleyUSC6'2"220QBBIOVID
56William GholstonMichigan State6'6"278DE34DE43-30BIOVID
57
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+71		Michael BuchananIllinois6'5"240OLB34DE43-21BIOVID
58Logan RyanRutgers6'0"190CBBIOVID
59Andre EllingtonClemson5'10"192RBCBIO--
60Aaron DobsonMarshall6'2"205WRPWRF0BIOVID
61Travis FrederickWisconsin6'4"330OCOGBIOVID
62Justin PughSyracuse6'5"298LOTROT-163BIOVID
63Oday AboushiVirginia6'6"310ROTLOT-40BIOVID
64Mike GlennonNorth Carolina St6'4"225QBBIOVID
65David AmersonNorth Carolina St6'2"193CBBIOVID
66Kawann ShortPurdue6'3"310DT43BIOVID
67
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+104		Malliciah GoodmanClemson6'4"278DE43DE34-270BIOVID
68Jamie CollinsSouthern Miss6'3"240OLB34BIOVID
69Phillip ThomasFresno State6'1"215FSSS-38BIOVID
70Chris FaulkLSU6'6"325ROTLOT0BIOVID
71
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+60		Sean PorterTexas A&M6'2"230WILBOLB43-51BIOVID
72Quinton PattonLouisiana Tech6'2"195WRFBIOVID
73
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+328		Gavin EscobarSan Diego State6'6"255TEBIO--
74Shawn WilliamsGeorgia6'1"218SSBIOVID
75
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+326		Jonathan CyprienFlorida Int'l6'0"210SSBIO--
76Kenjon BarnerOregon5'11"195RBCBIOVID
77Cornellius CarradineFlorida State6'4"265DE43OLB34-17BIOVID
78Will DavisUtah State6'0"186CBBIO--
79
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+36		Stedman BaileyWest Virginia5'10"195WRSWRF0BIOVID
80Montee BallWisconsin5'11"218RBFBIOVID
81Landry JonesOklahoma6'4"230QBBIOVID
82
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+38		Jordan ReedFlorida6'3"239TEBIOVID
83Stepfan TaylorStanford5'11"210RBFBIOVID
84Corey LemonierAuburn6'4"242OLB34DE43-12BIOVID
85Tony JeffersonOklahoma5'10"200FSBIOVID
86Brennan WilliamsNorth Carolina6'7"315LOTROT-49BIOVID
87Robert AlfordSE Louisiana5'11"184CBBIOVID
88Margus HuntSMU6'8"288DE34DE43-8BIO--
89Da'Rick RogersTennessee Tech6'3"215WRPWRF0BIOVID
90Johnathan FranklinUCLA5'10"195RBCBIOVID
91
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+60		Leon McFaddenSan Diego State5'10"190CBBIOVID
92Mike GillisleeFlorida5'11"209RBFBIOVID
93Brandon JenkinsFlorida State6'3"265OLB34DE43-71BIOVID
94Bacarri RamboGeorgia6'0"218FSSS-59BIOVID
95John SimonOhio State6'2"260DE43OLB340BIOVID
96Ryan NassibSyracuse6'2"229QBBIOVID
97Akeem SpenceIllinois6'1"305DT43BIOVID
98Alvin BaileyArkansas6'5"320OGBIOVID
99Nico JohnsonAlabama6'2"246WILBSILB0BIOVID
100Joseph FauriaUCLA6'7"252TEBIOVID

More specifically, out of the top 82 players on this list, which two WR's would you like to see drafted by the Fins? Yes, I said two (and one TE). One of these guys will definitely be a Fin - hopefully Jeff grabs two. The other picks can be either a CB, DE or an OL.

[Guys with big jumps in value - I left the their triangles in place - I deleted the others as there is a limit on the amount of images in one post.]
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Yeah, I wouldn't put too much stock into draftek's rankings. Wheaton just jumped 140 spots to get all the way up to 101.
 
I am still leaning towards Patterson. His upside seems to be the best of these WRs, but its still very close.
 
It might be a bit of a gamble fellas but I look at numerous mock drafts and many of them have C. Patterson and Keenan Allen going late in the first round, instead of around #12, where we pick.

Do you think it me be best to try and trade down maybe 3 to 8 picks and try to pick up another pick? Maybe an extra second or third rounder? I think Patterson or Allen could easily be there at #20 and if there is not a lot of difference between the two, we could maybe grab one of them later. What you think??? There might also be another WR besides Allen and Patterson who shines in the Combine who might be worth a look.
 
Roman529 said:
It might be a bit of a gamble fellas but I look at numerous mock drafts and many of them have C. Patterson and Keenan Allen going late in the first round, instead of around #12, where we pick.

Do you think it me be best to try and trade down maybe 3 to 8 picks and try to pick up another pick? Maybe an extra second or third rounder? I think Patterson or Allen could easily be there at #20 and if there is not a lot of difference between the two, we could maybe grab one of them later. What you think??? There might also be another WR besides Allen and Patterson who shines in the Combine who might be worth a look.
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St Louis could be a dance partner for Miami.They are in dier need of O-line help and if a Tackle or Warmack drops they could bite.
 
Roman529 said:
It might be a bit of a gamble fellas but I look at numerous mock drafts and many of them have C. Patterson and Keenan Allen going late in the first round, instead of around #12, where we pick.

Do you think it me be best to try and trade down maybe 3 to 8 picks and try to pick up another pick? Maybe an extra second or third rounder? I think Patterson or Allen could easily be there at #20 and if there is not a lot of difference between the two, we could maybe grab one of them later. What you think??? There might also be another WR besides Allen and Patterson who shines in the Combine who might be worth a look.
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Trading down is definitely something I would consider depending on who goes 1-11. I don't believe Patterson will be available at #20, he might go before #12. However Allen might. DeAndre Hopkins is someone to watch at the bottom of the first. In the second round I'm looking at Justin Hunter and Aaron Dobson. Dobson could be a nice pick up.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
My thing with Harper is that when I watch him, he doesn't look like a sub-4.5 guy. He really struggles to create separation, and he's less than 6'1. For the style he plays, I think he has to be a couple inches taller. Although, I could see him resembling a present-day A. Boldin. Again, though, present-day A. Boldin doesn't run a sub-4.5 (4.71 combine time).
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He turned some heads at senior bowl. I read last night how he was a qb and asked to play wr early. He is a little raw in some aspects but then again, so is patterson.

that guy's upside is just a tad bit overdone. ted ginn like. big returner. never showed anything diversity wise as a receiver imo. his speed is overhyped.

his thing is yac & open field moves. I would rather have allen as showed more as a complete wr. but in the end, philbin will be taking good looks at guys like harper who translate well into pros without hype.just work for it,not live off hype.
 
dolfin530 said:
Trading down is definitely something I would consider depending on who goes 1-11. I don't believe Patterson will be available at #20, he might go before #12. However Allen might. DeAndre Hopkins is someone to watch at the bottom of the first. In the second round I'm looking at Justin Hunter and Aaron Dobson. Dobson could be a nice pick up.
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i think its not only possible, but very likely if we take someone else. patterson is being projected to us and no one else but maybe minnesota
 
Guys, I'm telling you......Hopkins is the package we want. This kid is brilliant after the catch, physical sudden and athletic. Love his game. YouTube him and study up

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FinSince1971 said:
Guys, I'm telling you......Hopkins is the package we want. This kid is brilliant after the catch, physical sudden and athletic. Love his game. YouTube him and study up

From HTC 1 X
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I too have Hopkins ranked high. I have Cordarelle Patterson as my #1 WR, followed by Deandre Hopkins at #2. I'd rather have Hopkins over Keenan Allen. In fact, I like Terrence Wheaton better than Keenan Allen and have Wheaton ranked as my #3 WR. After Patterson, Hopkins, and Wheaton... I can give you Keenan Allen. My #5 WR? I have like 5 of them ranked equal with Woods, Bailey, King, Patton, Hunter, and a few others.

But if we land either Patterson or Hopkins then I want a Wheaton, Austin, or Goodwin type to compliment that selection. This way, either Patterson or Hopkins learns along with Rishard Matthews under Jennings' wing and the speedster little guy like Wheaton or Austin can learn under Bess' wing in the slot. :)
 
MoFinz said:
I love how everyone puts speed as a priority for a top tier receiver, then ignore the fact that Jerry Rice, the best wr of all time, was not a world class burner. How about work ethic? How about dedication? Theres a reason Usain Bolt , Tyson Gay and Carl Lewis didn't play in the NFL. It's a skill set and a mind set too.
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How fast was John Taylor and how much might that have cleared the intermediate zones where Rice made his living?

That is a question btw. My sense is that Taylor was fast, but I never have cared for or about the Niners.

Beyond Taylor/Rice, there was Harper/Irvin, to a lesser degree, though Clayton was fast, there was also Duper/Clayton. In my mind, you need at least one credible threat with true speed, if for no other reason than to clear the zones for your slightly slower possession guy.
 
I'm more giddy about this draft than when we had the #1 overall. We finally have a QB and are going to add playmakers with lots of ammunition.

If Justin Hunter makes it to the 2nd round I'm really hoping we pull the trigger. That guys upside is as high as any WR in this draft IMHO. His lift and extension is unequalled in this draft and may come close to that of Megatron's lift and extension, although Hunter's strength and hands are not nearly as strong. When healthy, Hunter would run in the 4.4's, but at the Combine he will not be fully back to top speed so I'd guess around 4.5 and many teams will underestimate his deep speed. He has a lot of areas of improvement, like strength, concentration, bulk/health, etc., but he's got phenomenal physical gifts, runs good routes, blocks willingly and effectively, plays hard, is willing to give full effort over the middle, was well tutored in the fundamentals at Tennessee, and will have a chip on his shoulder after he sees other WR's taken before him in the draft. He is an instant red zone threat, instant deep threat, and a guy with AJ Green type physical skills. I doubt he makes it to the 2nd round, but if he does, some team is going to be very excited about grabbing him.

If we trade down, I'm hoping we trade with Cincinnati. We could give the #12 and receiver the #21 and #37 and grab two excellent fits instead of one.
 
Cutthroat said:
How fast was John Taylor and how much might that have cleared the intermediate zones where Rice made his living?

That is a question btw. My sense is that Taylor was fast, but I never have cared for or about the Niners.

Beyond Taylor/Rice, there was Harper/Irvin, to a lesser degree, though Clayton was fast, there was also Duper/Clayton. In my mind, you need at least one credible threat with true speed, if for no other reason than to clear the zones for your slightly slower possession guy.
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Taylor was one of the very fastest WR's in the league and definitely the guy who scared coverage deep. That was the dilemma facing teams back then. Defenses were built to stop the run and the deep pass, and if they tried to use run stuffing LB's on RB's and TE's it didn't work. If they single-covered Taylor deep, they'd get burned because Taylor was the Mike Wallace of his day but bigger and with excellent hands.

So, Rice had the area beyond the LB's and in front of the S's to exploit. He easily created separation because of his guile, technique, and burst. He ran great routes and set up his DB's well. Once he had separation, his accurate QB delivered the ball and Rice was a fantastic RAC guy. The WCO was in its infancy and Rice was the greatest WCO WR of all times, so it was a crazy mismatch every game they played.

Duper was probably faster than Taylor, but it's like comparing CJ2K to Wallace, they're both so deadly fast that safeties wake up in cold sweats the entire week before playing them. As much as it pains me to admit it, Rice and Taylor were clearly better than Clayton and Duper. San Fran also had the better TE, RB, FB and OL, truth be told. Oh yeah, and they're defense was a lot better than ours too. :(
 
dolfin530 said:
Trading down is definitely something I would consider depending on who goes 1-11. I don't believe Patterson will be available at #20, he might go before #12. However Allen might. DeAndre Hopkins is someone to watch at the bottom of the first. In the second round I'm looking at Justin Hunter and Aaron Dobson. Dobson could be a nice pick up.
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I agree that Dobson could be a steal. Good deep speed and size. I think he'll be around in the third round.
 
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