2 determine who MIA will draft: Lets continue with who CLEVELAND will pick at #5

[MrEd]

Ok. I have QB Matthew Stafford being picked by DET at #1 overall.

Then, I have LT Eugene Monroe being picked by STL at #2.

OLB Aaron Curry should go to KC at #3.

Then, OT Andre Smith should end up being the guy for SEA at #4.

Now, its getting a little harder. Who will the already playoff contending CLE select at #5?

They have a solid, if not great OL. They have a good problem at QB and some good WRs. But why is Edwards on the block? Hmm? Stalworth is always a question mark...

Could "they" be the team targeting Crabtree?

They did select Wimbley recently at one OLB spot. But McGinest is probably retiring. So they do need a SOLB. Their DE's don't provide too much pass rush in the amount of sacks that they lack in...

Could DE Brian Orakpo be the guy? He might be the answer at DE or even opposite Wimbley replacing McGinest at SOLB.

Do they go with a RB like Beanie Wells since Jamaal Lewis is over 30?

This one is tuff.

Their CBs do INT the ball. Plus they got Travis Daniels as the NB too.

I think the likelihood is out of DE Brian Orakpo, RB Beanie Wells, or a Cb like Michael Jenkins. This time I'm going to leave out a WR like Michael Crabtree only because since its so obviously obvious that they don't need a WR....people might still go vote for him just because of his popularity...and I'll have to go over the polls and select who I feel is the more likely choice.

So who will it be? DE/OLB Brian Orakpo? :up: Or RB Beanie Wells? :unsure: Or CB Michael Jenkins? :err:

 

[albyfinfan]

Sea. is not passing up on Crabtree

 

[WelcomeBack]

Wait, majority in the other thread said Crabtree to Seattle, yet you say Smith here?

So, in fact your threads are pointless and you're basically going to make 32 threads showing us all your mock rather than listen to the opinions of others.

Just wanted to get that straight.

 

[MrEd]

Wait, majority in the other thread said Crabtree to Seattle, yet you say Smith here?

So, in fact your threads are pointless and you're basically going to make 32 threads showing us all your mock rather than listen to the opinions of others.

Just wanted to get that straight.

No. I'm going to open up discussions in order to make a more "likely" pick that the team will make so that we can get a better idea of who would be available when MIA picks at #25.

I'm not looking at just what the most popular pick is...but what the opinions of others and the discussions and debates bring out that allow for a "it makes most sense" conclusion.

If the consensus makes sense, yes, then we can come to a conclusion that fits.

Remember, in my DET pick, I had Eugene Monroe, but then the debate convinced me that the Stafford was the more logical pick.

The Crabtree argument wasn't making enough sense. So I had to select Smith, because its based on the reports that have come out of SEA that they do NOT want a rookie WR, but a veteran. And they have been saying that they will make a legit push for Houshmansada.

So based on the "current" reports, Crabtree is not what they are looking for. So why would I go ahead and select Crabtree?

 

[WelcomeBack]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's pointless to make this many threads for discussion when you already have your own opinion. Post your full mock, and you'll get your discussion. But when posters are saying that Seattle should pick Crabtree, you tell them they're wrong because "reports" state otherwise.

That's not looking for opinions. That's flat out saying "you're wrong, I'm right". Your thread titles all say "Let's", meaning Let Us. Plural. You're asking for a consensus choice at each pick, so when majority wins out, that's who should be the choice. Otherwise, you're just compiling your own mock, and in turn should post 1 thread titled "MrEd's Mock".

 

[MrEd]

Sea. is not passing up on Crabtree

And this could end up true. Anything's possible. But that would be changed once SEA proves that it will by not signing Houshmansada or obtain a WR prior. Right now, we've got to go with the reports.

 

[MrEd]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's pointless to make this many threads for discussion when you already have your own opinion. Post your full mock, and you'll get your discussion. But when posters are saying that Seattle should pick Crabtree, you tell them they're wrong because "reports" state otherwise.

That's not looking for opinions. That's flat out saying "you're wrong, I'm right". Your thread titles all say "Let's", meaning Let Us. Plural. You're asking for a consensus choice at each pick, so when majority wins out, that's who should be the choice. Otherwise, you're just compiling your own mock, and in turn should post 1 thread titled "MrEd's Mock".

Well, that would be a good point "if" I indeed had my mind made up. I am asking for opinions in order for us all to put ideas and more importantly "INFORMATION" out there so that we can make a right decision.

I'm not saying that "I'm" right. I'm saying that based on the discussions, the Crabtree folk didn't make any real sense.

Again, remember the DET thread? I was of the opinion that Eugene Monroe would be DET's pick, but the discussion made me realize that Stafford made more sense.

I actually hesitated about putting a poll for this exact reason. but the poll is part of the disecting information by taking "opinions" into the consideration, but not going solely by the opinions.

Opinion should be a part of the judgment making. But the most important thing is the "reports" that are coming out.

Why should we expect a team to pick a player, "just because we like him"....and not based on what "the actual TEAM" is saying is their priorities? That would be foolish and not being a realistic mock.

This is not a "mock" draft per se. Those are for fun, I guess. To me, its more fun being able to actually make a better assessment to what "will actually happen" instead.

Again, I am trying to come up with what will "likely" happen. And based on "current" reports.

As soon as some new thing develops with a certain team (like SEATTLE not signing a WR) then we can go back and change the probabilities.

Right now, Crabtree doesn't make sense based on the "current" reports coming out from SEATTLE.

 

[WelcomeBack]

Every team has questions and never reveal their hands prior to draft time no matter what reports say.

Crabtree is a very logical pick for Seahawks. He's a big target. Engram's up in age, and we don't know how the other two will come back from their injuries. It's much like people wanting to draft a nose tackle. Ferguson is getting old and we don't know what we have in Soliai and Cohen. It's all speculation at this point. However, when a talent like Crabtree comes into play, he SHOULD be the pick, especially if the team has a need at the position.

 

[SamIam]

Every team has questions and never reveal their hands prior to draft time no matter what reports say.

Crabtree is a very logical pick for Seahawks. He's a big target. Engram's up in age, and we don't know how the other two will come back from their injuries. It's much like people wanting to draft a nose tackle. Ferguson is getting old and we don't know what we have in Soliai and Cohen. It's all speculation at this point. However, when a talent like Crabtree comes into play, he SHOULD be the pick, especially if the team has a need at the position.

I kid you not, Crabs to Seattle is on every single mock I have seen so far

 

[MrEd]

Every team has questions and never reveal their hands prior to draft time no matter what reports say.

Crabtree is a very logical pick for Seahawks. He's a big target. Engram's up in age, and we don't know how the other two will come back from their injuries. It's much like people wanting to draft a nose tackle. Ferguson is getting old and we don't know what we have in Soliai and Cohen. It's all speculation at this point. However, when a talent like Crabtree comes into play, he SHOULD be the pick, especially if the team has a need at the position.

Ey, I'm willing to go back and change the selection, but look, you say that Crabtree is a talent....are you saying that Andre Smith isn't?

Draft gurus feel that Andre Smith has the "most" upside than any other OT. He's just not going to be top 3 because of the fact that he is more a RT or LG because of not being the "typical" LT height.

However, Jordan Gross played LT at the same height that Andre Smith did and made the Pro Bowl even though experts/teams don't feel Gross is a "real" LT. They feel he is better suited for RT, though he's still a Pro Bowl LT.

Smith is in the same genre. He should be a Pro Bowl LT though he's not the height you want at LT, but really a RT.

So making the "Crabtree is a talent" argument is the "same" argument that you can make for Andre Smith. In fact, even "more" because of the fact the following facts:

#1) OL is more crucial
#2) SEATTLE remembers very much how much better they were with Steve Hutchinson next to Jones. Smith would start off at LG next to Jones.
#3) They have WRs in Deon Branch, Burleson, Robinson, and Ingram....
#4) Reports rumbling that SEA wants a "vet" WR, not a rookie and want especially to sign TJ Housh.

 

[WelcomeBack]

If you're going to move Smith right away to guard, shouldn't take him that high. Just my opinion. You can get a left guard in a later round or the 2nd.

A wide receiver like Michael Crabtree is VERY hard to find.

 

[WelcomeBack]

As for "reports" right now, I only believe CONFIRMED reports.

So until Seattle gets that vet wideout, I won't believe it.

 

[MrEd]

If you're going to move Smith right away to guard, shouldn't take him that high. Just my opinion. You can get a left guard in a later round or the 2nd.

A wide receiver like Michael Crabtree is VERY hard to find.

I'm not going to move Smith anywhere. i'm not their coach. I'm just putting some ideas out there that he may start off at LG instead of RT because of how good SEA's OL was when they had Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson on the leftside.

but an OL of Andre Smith's caliber is VERY hard to find as well.

Again, just making the argument that a WR like Crabtree is VERY hard to find is no different than saying that MIA should draft Mark Sanchez if he was there or to draft Eugene Monroe if he was there just because a QB like that or a LT like that is hard to find. It's not going to match our need.

If they are indeed planning on TJ Housh, why would they go with Crabtree, when they need OL???

 

[WelcomeBack]

But like I said, reports are just rumors right now. It's not confirmed that they're gonna go get Housh. Not confirmed at all.

I'm not saying Smith is bad, but if you're gonna draft him to play RT or LG, drafting him that high, you'll pay him like a LT. That's not what you want to do.

 

[WelcomeBack]

And wide receiver IS a need for the Seahawks.