2008 NFL Draft do-over: Miami Dolphins get Matt Ryan

[marinotoclayton]

Well that just supports what we all already knew.....that Sparano and company are not good evaluators of QB talent.

The greatest single area of failure of this franchise since Marino was the inability to identify bona fide QB talent....passing on Drew Brees for a bust cornerback.......passing on Aaron Rogers for Ronnie Brown....and Matt Ryan and Flacco for Jake Long.

Not only did we pass on sone of these guys in drafts. Dolphin brass screwed the pooch again with Brees when
they got Culpepper! Damn I was ticked about that! As far as Matt Ryan I have always liked him and he is a decent qb. And I wouldnt rather had him than Long that year. But then again dolphins brass has been dumb for a long time.

 

[CalDolFan10x14]

No player wins football games by them self. He had a great run I admitted that.
I still wouldn't take John Elway over Dan MArino even though it seemed he played best when it mattered most to many.

Apples to oranges. Give Marino the teams Elway had and I'm sure Dan would've won a ring or two as well. Matt Ryan has had great weapons to work with but has failed to deliver over and over in the playoffs. Flacco had nowhere near the offensive weapons Matt enjoys, but still led his team to a Super Bowl victory.

 

[twix2500]

Jake Long was not a mistake, he was a pro bowler. Matt Ryan would of been a bust with the OL we would of had without Long. Our mistakes were the second picks or second round picks and third round picks in 08 and 09. The Phillip Merling and Pat White, which turned out to be hot garbage. Remember Patrick Turner, which was picked two after Mike Wallace.

 

[3rdandinches]

The re-do should be never hiring BP, JI and TS!

 

[HoneyB]

Ryan's had 2 top 10 big 6'3 wr's in roddy and Julio, the greatest pass catching tight end of all time and before this year he wasn't sacked more then 28 times (twice he had under 20 times sacked) and a decent run game. Still despite all those he hasn't really done anything amazing. He's a good qb but tannehill is much more mobile and can be just as good of a passer (in my opinion) if given protection. If you think Matt Ryan would do anywhere close to what he did on the dolphins then I'd say you don't understand football very well.

That's what is frightening, I'm sure, to Atlanta's fans. Matty had all the weapons, and still failed. They'd move the ball, then get to the red zone and things would stall. Even though the play-calling was suspect, and he could have used more protection, you just have to question Matt Ryan's ability at this point. Is this his ceiling? I'm not sorry at all that we didn't take him. What I'm sorry for are all the other decisions the Dolphins made, that didn't work out.

As far as our QB, Ryan Tannehill goes, he's still a question mark. We haven't seen his ceiling at all, he's still developing. But we do need to see more out of him, he has to make a leap this year. And he has to use his athleticism and be who he is, and not do a Matt Ryan imitation back there and stand like a statue.

You saw the weapons Matt Ryan had, and you should realize by now that throwing more weapons at Ryan Tannehill isn't going to make him a better quarterback. Being better is his job, no one else's. The weapons are a separate matter.

 

[67Stang]

So despite all the guarantees for SB rings, how many does he have? He was surrounded by play makers too, so no excuses. You put Matt Ryan in to the same situations other Miami QBs have faced here since Ryan was drafted and the outcome is exactly the same.

 

[3rdandinches]

I'm certainly not going to write M.Ryan off because of his lack of success in the playoffs so far. You could have done the same thing to the Pittsburgh Steelers before they won two Superbowls. P.Manning took a while before he finally won and you could look at Ryan's scenario just like P.Mannings > great offense with a terrible defense. I'd take M.Ryan over atleast 2/3 thirds of the QB's in the league right now.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I didn't think Ryan's upside was high enough. Very marginal arm. That's still the case but his arm strength improved once he reached the NFL and matured a bit. Before that draft I knew that arm strength generally improved in young players but since I didn't like Ryan I tried to ignore it. Now I wouldn't be as stubborn.

If the situation presented itself again, I'm not sure where I would side. I don't like late risers. Ryan wasn't considered a premium pick before his senior season. His overall skill set is not remarkable. But the fact that the NFL became much more friendly to the passing game worked in his favor, along with the weapons Atlanta acquired for him, and the home field advantage in that building.

Tough call. My mistake was too much belief in Chad Henne entering that draft. I won so many bets on him at Michigan I didn't bother to examine all the flaws. But at least I knew enough to give up on him almost immediately after seeing the crank up delivery and lack of field presence as a rookie.

It's somewhat amusing that many posters who don't like the statistical analysis of Tannehill were the same ones who were telling me I was wrong when I insisted that Henne wouldn't amount to anything and we needed to move on as soon as possible.

 

[DolfanISS]

I didn't think Ryan's upside was high enough. Very marginal arm. That's still the case but his arm strength improved once he reached the NFL and matured a bit. Before that draft I knew that arm strength generally improved in young players but since I didn't like Ryan I tried to ignore it. Now I wouldn't be as stubborn.

If the situation presented itself again, I'm not sure where I would side. I don't like late risers. Ryan wasn't considered a premium pick before his senior season. His overall skill set is not remarkable. But the fact that the NFL became much more friendly to the passing game worked in his favor, along with the weapons Atlanta acquired for him, and the home field advantage in that building.

Tough call. My mistake was too much belief in Chad Henne entering that draft. I won so many bets on him at Michigan I didn't bother to examine all the flaws. But at least I knew enough to give up on him almost immediately after seeing the crank up delivery and lack of field presence as a rookie.

It's somewhat amusing that many posters who don't like the statistical analysis of Tannehill were the same ones who were telling me I was wrong when I insisted that Henne wouldn't amount to anything and we needed to move on as soon as possible.

I'm not a huge Matt Ryan guy. Guys had 2 stud WR's, a stud RB and a hall of fame TE and only has a couple of playoff wins with those guys at his disposal. As for Henne I wasn't as quick as you to give up on him as you but was still quicker than many others here. I liked his work as a first year starter in 2009 but knew it wasn't good enough and he would have to improve. Problem is he never did as in 2010 I was ready to put Pennington back out there right after the week 4 disaster vs the Patriots where Henne was playing catch with Rob Ninkovich even though it was inevitable Pennington would never last. I'll say at least going into year 3 there is still hope for Ryan Tannehill while midway through year 2 there was no hope for Chad Henne. While Tannehill's 2013 campaign wasn't fantastic Henne never had a season that good even with Brandon Marshall. I will say it's worrisome to me that the board once again turned so quickly on the OC as this is the same thing we did with Henne and IMO is an expected behavior of a fan base that is craving an answer at QB so much they'll deflect all blame of bad offensice football somewhere else.

 

[tay0365]

Matt Ryan is a good quarterback I am just not sold on him being a franchise QB.

I agree, he's good but never will be a franchise QB. Considering we had problems 1st at WR, then at RB, then at O-line year to year, if he had been drafted in Miami, the Do-over would have said something different then Ryan, and even if Miami had done enough to help Matt, Matt is useles in the playoffs anyway, so unless you blindly think too highly of him, not taking him was the right move.