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2017/2018 CFB Playoff Rankings

I was pretty much right on except, of course, for the screw job setup putting Alabama at 5.

Playoff rankings:
1) Clemson
2) Oklahoma
3) Wisconsin
4) Auburn
5) Alabama
6) Georgia
7) Miami
8) Ohio State

I already told you the committee wasn't going to view it like you do. Neither does anybody else in the world of college football.

But keep on being hardheaded. At this point anything that irks you about the committee is dead on.
 
I already told you the committee wasn't going to view it like you do. Neither does anybody else in the world of college football.

But keep on being hardheaded. At this point anything that irks you about the committee is dead on.
I admire your persistence but I think I made it clear before that I don't engage with you in this useless chitter-chatter.
You have a bias. And we both know that the Playoff Committee will do everything to put Alabama into the playoffs. They are humans after all. Humans are imperfect and judgement is often clouded by emotions and personal preferences. It is a flawed system.
So let's end this discussion right here:
- You love the system. I don't.
- Alabama will be in the playoffs - somehow.
- You think it is fair. I don't.
 
I admire your persistence but I think I made it clear before that I don't engage with you in this useless chitter-chatter.
You have a bias. And we both know that the Playoff Committee will do everything to put Alabama into the playoffs. They are humans after all. Humans are imperfect and judgement is often clouded by emotions and personal preferences. It is a flawed system.
So let's end this discussion right here:
- You love the system. I don't.
- Alabama will be in the playoffs - somehow.
- You think it is fair. I don't.


I wouldn't say I admire your persistence but I'm just not going to let you keep doing this without calling out your nonsense.

You put Alabama in the wrong place. Because you're biased. Not me. Not the committee.

Nobody unbiased would rank Georgia above Alabama. Period.

But you're right, you'll never get it. Because you don't want to.

I want the committee to make the right decision whether it works for Alabama or against Alabama. You can't say that.
 
I wouldn't say I admire your persistence but I'm just not going to let you keep doing this without calling out your nonsense.

You put Alabama in the wrong place. Because you're biased. Not me. Not the committee.

Nobody unbiased would rank Georgia above Alabama. Period.

But you're right, you'll never get it. Because you don't want to.

I want the committee to make the right decision whether it works for Alabama or against Alabama. You can't say that.

Like I said before you really should stick to talent evaluation. You are good at that. But when it come to polls and playoff committee you are biased and have as much of an understanding as I do. I remember just a few weeks ago when the first CFB Playoff poll came out and I said ND did not belong in the top 4. What was your argument again? Oh yes. They know. They got it right. They are the experts and so are you and I am not. They sure got that right. :laugh

Alabama's signature win this year is #17 LSU and their accomplishment is no Championship game. :roflmao
Technically I and the committee should have put Alabama behind Miami but I didn't do it because I am aware of the bias towards Alabama and I was proven right because the 'poll masters' did exactly what I expected them to do. The only reason they put Alabama at 5 is to give them any hope or any chance or any reason and excuse to move them into the top 4. And you know it. Alabama should have absolutely no reason to be sniffing the top 4 or be near it. If Ohio State beats Wisconsin they should jump Alabama. If the Canes win they should jump Alabama. If Georgia wins they should jump Alabama. If TCU wins they should jump Alabama. But we all know that they will find a way to sneak Alabama in somehow. If Miami would be in Alabama's position I would feel the same way.

I have one single bias: human polls
In an environment where Universities (especially public) use College football as a revenue generating entity to the tune of millions of dollars it is absurd to leave any playoff participation to the speculation of a group of people. I have looked hard and deep and I cannot find one single sport which uses solely human polls (with or without the help of computers) as a way to determine who is allowed to play for a Championship - here or abroad. Human polls are outdated, a dinosaur and a cash cow (looking at those Playoff Selection shows on ESPN).
 
Alabama is favored to win the Playoff- despite being ranked #5.
If you were to poll 100 people with above average knowledge of CF - which is best team in country- I would feel comfortable 70% would say Alabama.
 
Alabama should get in if Wisconsin or Oklahoma fall. That's how I see it p4e. They are still a good team with flaws but every team has flaws. There is no clear dominant team. The ACC winner will be in period if it's Miami or Clemson. The sec winner as well. But I'm surprised they put Auburn #2 overall. Imo auburn has been impressive but they still have 2 losses. I'd put them #4
 
I don't see a ton of flaws on a healthy Bama team. They're loaded ... as always. They've just been hit with the injury bug like the gators did a few years back. I see Wisconsin losing and them sneaking in.

If they get healthy (haven't followed injuries in depth) by the time playoffs come around, they're overwhelming favorites if you ask me.

Was a weird college football season. Before it started I posted that it had the makings to be something special. Lots of good teams out there with solid QBs. Didn't quite work out like that due to injuries and various other factors. FSU and Louisville were the big disappointments for me. They had a chance to make the ACC a powerhouse this season. Louisville didn't have the D and FSU obviously lost Francois. Even still, FSU has to be the most talented team I've ever seen on paper play so erratically. I know James was hurt last year but I've seen him get beat like a drum a bunch. Same goes for the rest of the defense. I've seen flashes ... followed by a huge play given up easily. Coaching has not been an asset. UM & Wisconsin have been big surprises for me. Odd year. As a gator fan, I'm glad it's almost over.
 
Correct move to put Alabama in. You can't ignore JT Barrett's incompetence in the two losses to Oklahoma and especially Iowa. This is the reason there is no legitimate argument in expanding the field from 4 teams to 8. Ohio State had atrocious losses but that was a rarity in terms of teams seriously contending for the final four. If you are looking at 8 teams every season then you'll always have teams with that type of resume sneaking in, like USC with the massacre defeat at Notre Dame.

As I posted in the Canes thread last night, there is no reputable oddsmaker or talent evaluator in the world who wouldn't have Alabama among the top 4 teams. If you told me prior to the season that Alabama would lose only once I would never believe they could be excluded. It was only the bunched injuries and timing of the defeat that placed them in jeopardy.

I fare well because last week I took 14/1 on Alabama winning the national title. It is extreme value and I wouldn't have regretted the bet even if Wisconsin had won and knocked Alabama out, or if Ohio State had gotten the nod above Alabama. Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that Alabama remained the favorite for the championship despite the loss to Auburn. That may be true if you look at generic online listings but it was hardly true from sportsbook to sportsbook. Some scared joints kept Alabama low in the 4/1 or 5/1 range but others moved Alabama into double digits. I saw 12/1 and 13/1 and then a friend of mine found 14/1 so we played.

This is also a benefit to the Canes because Alabama would have physically destroyed and further exposed Miami in the Orange Bowl.
 
Congrats to the Bama fans and good luck in the playoffs.
 
Alwyas thought it was a no brainer if it came down to Bama and OSU . . . Hell I figured unless Wisconsin absolutely blew out OSU, that their should of been a conversation about an undefeated Wisconsin team or a one loss Bama team.

CFP gets to have Bama/Clemson lll . . .lol millions of dollars made from a viewership standpoint by putting Bama in there.
 
Alwyas thought it was a no brainer if it came down to Bama and OSU . . . Hell I figured unless Wisconsin absolutely blew out OSU, that their should of been a conversation about an undefeated Wisconsin team or a one loss Bama team.

CFP gets to have Bama/Clemson lll . . .lol millions of dollars made from a viewership standpoint by putting Bama in there.
That's the only reason Alabama is in.
 
I'll pick Alabama over Clemson and Oklahoma over Georgia.

Then Alabama to take it all.

I'd be surprised if Clemson defeats Alabama. The YPPA Differential is very lopsided in favor of Alabama -- +3.2 to only +1.5 for Clemson. IMO, there is still a gap between these programs and only Deshaun Watson was able to camouflage it. Even with Watson, Clemson trailed by 14 in the fourth quarter last season.

Preseason ratings point to Alabama and likewise the recent recruiting numbers. Both teams very high but Alabama always higher. In this era once the pointspread basically asks Alabama to merely win the game the Crimson Tide almost never fails, and normally it is comfortable above the spot. I already have Alabama at 14/1 to win the title but I also played the spread at -1.5. I suspect Clemson will be a bit overconfident entering this game.

Oklahoma versus Georgia is an intriguing game but too much conflict for me. The Sooners have an all time bizarre YPPA Differential breakdown of 12.0 offensively and 7.5 defensively, for a fantastic +4.5. But I don't place full stock in the +4.5 when it includes such a pathetic number as 7.5 defensively, which would be by far the worst number for a national champion in the decades I have followed the category. Auburn was 7.0 in 2010.

There has never been a pro team with such a ridiculous YPPA Differential either.

Georgia is very, very good at +3.5 themselves, in a more traditional 9.1 to 5.6 distribution.

Preseason ratings favor Oklahoma. That's where my dilemma falls. I don't like when the two categories point to different teams. Either advantage can prevail in situations like this. I'll pass the game but I suspect Oklahoma will be able to terrorize an upstart team like Georgia, which has not been in the national title hunt lately and has a relatively new coaching staff, along with being lower ranked in preseason. So I think the 12.0 will be the dominant trait.

But if it gets to Alabama versus Oklahoma then we've got a classic contrast game but both the preseason ratings and pass defense pointing to Alabama, along with recent title game experience. I think that would be something like the Oregon situation several years ago, where they blitzed Florida State with sheer offense and looked unstoppable in the semifinal until they ran into Urban Meyer and simply a more physical, more talented, better coached, more fundamentally sound team in Ohio State.
 
That's a fairly good team I have at 14/1.

Clemson is not in Alabama's league. If those teams played repeatedly with Kelly Bryant as Clemson quarterback then the result would be extremely similar every time...an Alabama grind victory. Only Deshaun Watson made it appear artificially close the past two years, as I posted last night. And it was still a 14 point Alabama lead in the 4th quarter with Watson last year.

This Alabama era is superior to anything the Canes ever managed. They simply look bigger and tougher and better coached than everyone they line up against. Everyone has massive arms and shoulders. This semifinal game went exactly like the semifinal against Michigan State two years ago and Washington last year. Alabama doesn't have the freakish pro caliber athletes at the skill positions like the Canes often did, but they more than make up for that by simply looking like a pro team playing against college kids. The pass defense is pure savagery.

BTW, today's results mean the national champion will once again have a pass defense in the top handful nationally in YPA allowed. I guess it's a fluke again. Maybe someone on the Canes sites can post an adjustment thread downgrading those Alabama numbers based on strength of schedule, all those weak offenses they played. I'll be waiting in eager anticipation. They actually tried that on those boards in recent days. Don't worry...I didn't let them get away with it.

Only Ohio State can line up against Alabama man to man. It's been that way for many years. Alabama has lost occasional games to Johnny Manziel and Deshaun Watson types but only that Buckeye team a few years ago in the semifinal was able to run it down Alabama's throat down the stretch when it mattered.

But JT Little Game Barrett kept Ohio State out of the playoffs in 2015 and again this year, ruining rightful opportunities for Saban vs. Meyer again.

Clemson is not the measuring stick. If Canes fans on this board or elsewhere look at the Clemson game as where we need to aspire, they are outright fools. That is the junior varsity level. Notice what Alabama did to screen passes tonight. It is always hilarious when seasons end and the offensive frustration threads include so many fans calling for more screen passes. Those plays are the height of frailty.

I was sick that Oklahoma blew that game. I wanted to see Alabama bludgeon Oklahoma by 40 points. There was every possibility, if not probability. It would have been a college football version of Hagler vs. Hearns. Once the Sooner glass jaw showed up there would be nothing to keep them upright for 30 minutes, let alone 60. Basic handoffs would have rambled downfield for Alabama. Mayfield would have been under attack and brutalized play after play. It would have been a gorgeous example of traditional football dismantling and exposing the cupcake variety.

I was glad I didn't have a wager on that Georgia/Oklahoma game. Too much contrast. Too many conflicts. So naturally there were extreme runs one way, and extreme runs the other way. It was relaxing to wait and know what my Alabama -1.5 wager would look like. No 21 point switcheroos in a game like that.

The Sooners were pure wimps. The sports media failed to emphasize that. Oklahoma got the ball with 4 minutes remaining up by 7. Perfect situation to put the game away...Heisman quarterback averaging 12 yards per attempt. Yet they were too scared to throw the ball. Three straight running plays. Likewise in the first overtime, needing a touchdown to win. Three straight running plays, some of them gimmicky. Too scared to throw the ball. Even in the second overtime Oklahoma did not risk anything downfield, other than a free play after an obvious offsides infraction.

Mayfield went out like a wimp.

I'm not a Nick Saban fan but he has saved college football in this era. Otherwise everyone would be playing like Tiny Tim tip toeing through the tulips.

Of course, the fact that virtually everyone else is so soft in this spread era enables Saban and Alabama to mostly cruise every season. It's not like the old days when the entire Top 10 would employ physical basic football and emphasize defense first. Road blocks everywhere. Nowadays you've got every fan base wanting to be a fruit loop team. Meanwhile Alabama trots out quarterbacks who don't do much of anything. They don't have to.

I got a kick out of the people a few weeks ago who were asking, "Who did Alabama beat?" As always, strength of schedule is an invention of idiots and applied by morons. If you have to ask who Alabama beat in this era then you need to be sitting in a corner somewhere, with a doctor tapping on your head searching for signs of activity.
 
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