2020 Prospects
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Hard to argue with any of that right now, my point was though, there was clear development towards the end of the year, clear signs that Dan Mullen had worked a little magic there and that'll be interesting to see if he develops further next year. Mullen is definitely trying to put something between his ears, if he succeeds that's a hell of a prospect.
I'm gonna go ahead and double down on the negative slant towards Franks. He'll never be an NFL QB. If he has another decent season, it means that Mullens is a hell of a coach, not that Franks is some diamond in the rough. More like a turd in the punchbowl.
His arm is his only redeeming quality. If he tries to shoosh the home crowd again I'm going to reach through the tv and punch him in the throat.
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I kind of liked the Shh sign, he had taken a lot of criticism from the fans me included and he had just come up with a big play, he's human and showed the emotion and for me at least that was a good thing because it gave them impression that he was ready to fight for his Gators career. From that point in time, he was pretty lights out till the end of the season so it had an affect. I'm not saying he's suddenly a prospect, because he's not, but there is a hell of a lot to mold with, I actually do think he could be a diamond in the rough, think that's been part of the frustration with the kid, he's a natural athlete with an arm that can match anyone's, he's just failed to put it all together. Next year will be interesting I think with Jones hopefully pushing him too.
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LOL fair enough dude, not going to say anyone is wrong with that viewpoint, it wasn't something I would have done in his position but I could understand it.
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Thats a very good comparison. And its not necessarily because they are left handed. Like Awsi said its like a gliding style of Tua that draws the comparison. Also, the arms look very comparable. Not rockets but definitely good enough. Lefties in any sport always seem to have a smooth approach. For instances, left handed batters in baseball seem to always have a smoother swing. Left handed basketabll players seem to have a smoother shot. I don't know what it is but that's always been my perception at least (except baseball. its a fact. Left handers have smoother swings). Maybe its because our eyes don't see left handers as much.
I think it's partially perception and not seeing it as much. Phil Mickelson looks to have a nice swing lefty but when Golf Channel has reversed it and displayed what Mickelson would look like righty, it is astonishing how flawed the swing is...all the moving parts. I suddenly understood why Mickelson can be so erratic, after looking at his swing in reverse.
Bobby Douglass is one example of a lefty who was a big strong rocket armed quarterback with no touch or smoothness whatsoever. That is when I was a kid and it stood out to me since I am a lefty. But I can't think of a subsequent lefty quarterback like that.
Tua to Steve Young is one of the best comparisons period, regardless of position. I didn't realize Lane Kiffin made it so early.
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Miami needs to do whatever to get Steve Young pt2.
Tua needs to be a phin.
Tua needs to be a phin.
Figured this would be a fun addition. For college, I'd go:
Tua/Lawrence
Jonathan Taylor/Etienne
Shenault
Tyler Johnson
For the NFL, I'd just ignore the rules and spend the $5 that I would on a RB on Jeudy or Wallace or (even better) get both Tua and Lawrence.
Lol just realized, I was going to $15 x_x Still working on that first cup of coffee. Benjamin from ASU is fine instead of Taylor/Etienne
Too early to say for sure, but I think I'll end up liking Love more than Fromm. Tua is definitely way out in the lead at #1 for 2020, but Book (who was not nearly as bad vs Clemson as his numbers suggest and had a good year overall) and Ehlinger (should he declare) should make the class interesting after the top 2 or 3 guys. While Herbert showed some worrying signs in 2018, I'm really glad he went back, and I'm rooting for him to take positive strides as a Senior.
I’m also eager to see what Love and Ehlinger do next year. Even if the Phins don’t have the 1st pick to get Tua there’s going to be plenty of other options in the 1st to get a playmaker.
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Ehlinger doesn't fill me with a lot of excitement, I don't see the appeal yet with him, I admit to only really watching 2 or 3 of his games but I wouldn't be taking that kid in the first just yet on the evidence I saw. Love is a different story, I think when all is said and done he could end up being the best NFL QB in 2020 but Tua will rightfully go first overall unless he shows more of his Georgia and Clemson performances rather than the excellence of his other 13 or so games last season.
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Certainly not going to fault anyone for putting a Jordan Love ahead of a Jake Fromm. Justin Herbert as well.
Lots of guys to do lots of work on for that draft.
Looking forward to getting a good look at Brock Purdy.
Lots of guys to do lots of work on for that draft.
Looking forward to getting a good look at Brock Purdy.
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He's probably not a 2020 prospect but Desmond Ridder of Cincinnati is superb.
Great competitive history, leadership qualities. Smooth talking kid with a good background. Personality reminds me quite a bit of Andrew Luck's.
As a thrower he's definitely more of a touch specialist, which itself is kind of impressive considering his age and experience level. He throws corner routes with great placement. Uses the deep middle. But he also throws a nice fast ball, when he needs to. I've seen him throw with proper zip over the middle and to his left, at around 70 to 80 feet. I've seen him throwing close to ideal at around 100 feet. Most times when it's appropriate, he seems methodical in looking off the safety, making sure not to stare anyone down. It's no wonder he only threw 5 picks. He's definitely got some Brandon Silvers in him.
Good feet and the makings of a good pocket guy, but he also runs like the wind and gained 700+ yards on 130 carries, not counting sacks. Very calm player in the backfield. He keeps in motion, working up into the pocket. He's not stationary, but not in a hurry, either. He can learn to pick up the pace a little. Finds some tight windows when forced out of structure, rolling left or right. Defenses can't just play man and fall asleep on him on 3rd & 12 because he steals base too easily. He outruns front seven defenders, running with the DBs.
Big frame at 6'3" to 6'4". Big hands. Big feet. You absolutely cannot escape the feeling that you're looking at a kid that hasn't filled out yet, that will get a lot more physically mature, thicker, and stronger with age. He shot up from 5'10" to 6'4" over the course of like one or two years in high school. He's still growing into his frame.
I watched him dice up my South Florida Bulls and I didn't realize he'd done that to everyone else too (excepting perhaps a few tough defenses like UCF and Temple). Went from a 4-win team in 2017 to 11-2 this year with him under center for the Bearcats. Amazing.
The defense underwent a stupendous transformation, going from giving up 32 points a game to only 17 points. But the offense also went from scoring 21 points a game to 35 points per game and if I had to point to one thing that changed it really would be the QB play, moving the ball and putting less pressure on the defense.
They're definitely a running offense with Michael "Truck" Warren carrying the ball at tailback. They gained more yards on the ground than the air. But a big part of the running game is also Desmond Ridder on zone reads and RPOs. The passing game has more of a complementary look right now.
Strong player to look for in the future. You want to see him speed things up a little more. You want to see him mature and start to look a little more polished and comfortable. You want to see him physically mature, fill out, get stronger. You want to see if he can put the passing game on his shoulders and carry the team during some games. But you don't often get to see guys with this combination of frame, mobility, velocity, touch, and efficiency. So that's the sell, right now.
Great competitive history, leadership qualities. Smooth talking kid with a good background. Personality reminds me quite a bit of Andrew Luck's.
As a thrower he's definitely more of a touch specialist, which itself is kind of impressive considering his age and experience level. He throws corner routes with great placement. Uses the deep middle. But he also throws a nice fast ball, when he needs to. I've seen him throw with proper zip over the middle and to his left, at around 70 to 80 feet. I've seen him throwing close to ideal at around 100 feet. Most times when it's appropriate, he seems methodical in looking off the safety, making sure not to stare anyone down. It's no wonder he only threw 5 picks. He's definitely got some Brandon Silvers in him.
Good feet and the makings of a good pocket guy, but he also runs like the wind and gained 700+ yards on 130 carries, not counting sacks. Very calm player in the backfield. He keeps in motion, working up into the pocket. He's not stationary, but not in a hurry, either. He can learn to pick up the pace a little. Finds some tight windows when forced out of structure, rolling left or right. Defenses can't just play man and fall asleep on him on 3rd & 12 because he steals base too easily. He outruns front seven defenders, running with the DBs.
Big frame at 6'3" to 6'4". Big hands. Big feet. You absolutely cannot escape the feeling that you're looking at a kid that hasn't filled out yet, that will get a lot more physically mature, thicker, and stronger with age. He shot up from 5'10" to 6'4" over the course of like one or two years in high school. He's still growing into his frame.
I watched him dice up my South Florida Bulls and I didn't realize he'd done that to everyone else too (excepting perhaps a few tough defenses like UCF and Temple). Went from a 4-win team in 2017 to 11-2 this year with him under center for the Bearcats. Amazing.
The defense underwent a stupendous transformation, going from giving up 32 points a game to only 17 points. But the offense also went from scoring 21 points a game to 35 points per game and if I had to point to one thing that changed it really would be the QB play, moving the ball and putting less pressure on the defense.
They're definitely a running offense with Michael "Truck" Warren carrying the ball at tailback. They gained more yards on the ground than the air. But a big part of the running game is also Desmond Ridder on zone reads and RPOs. The passing game has more of a complementary look right now.
Strong player to look for in the future. You want to see him speed things up a little more. You want to see him mature and start to look a little more polished and comfortable. You want to see him physically mature, fill out, get stronger. You want to see if he can put the passing game on his shoulders and carry the team during some games. But you don't often get to see guys with this combination of frame, mobility, velocity, touch, and efficiency. So that's the sell, right now.