2nd Rounder for Feeley

[Fineas]

I agree that giving up a 2nd rounder, that turned into a high 2nd, for Feeley was a mistake. I think we probably could have gotten him for less. But all the hand wringing about it is ridiculous. First, we gave up the pick a year away and conventional wisdom is that a 2nd rounder next year is like giving up a 3rd rounder this year. Second, no one disputes that quarterback was a serious need position at the time. Take a look at the QBs that were available after the 2nd rounder we traded for Feeley. No QBs were taken in the 2nd round this year, i.e., no NFL team felt there was a QB worthy of their second round pick. None. With the exception of Charlie Frye, all were still available when the Fins picked in the 3rd (and passed on every one of them). Of the guys that were taken in the 3rd or later, none are legitimately competing for a starting job this year. In fact, none are higher than 3rd string on their team's depth chart (except Kyle Orton in the aftermath of Rex Grossman's injury). So how much better would the Fins now be at QB if they had not made that trade?

Then look at last year's draft. None of the guys who were available in round 2 in 2004 are starters in the NFL. None are even legitimately competing for a starting job. The only ones who are even No. 2 QBs are Schaub behind Vick in Atlanta and Sorgi behind Manning in Indy. I will go out on a limb and say those guys will never win the starting jobs where they are. Of the guys who were taken in the 1st round last year, the jury is still out on Rivers and Losman. Roethlisberger obviously had a great year last year, but Eli Manning's numbers last year make Feeley's look good. And obviously, the Fins never had a shot at Manning, Roethlisberger or Rivers.

So, would the Fins have been better off if they had not made that trade for Feeley? Maybe at some other position, but not at QB. Would they be better at QB if they had brought in one of the high priced veterans that were available in 2004, e.g., Garcia, Brunell, Warner, Collins? Maybe, but not by a whole lot (and would have been worse from a cap perspective).

 

[Dors156]

I think we should have got dan orlovsky in the 7th.Hes had a good preseason.He has the perfect build.6"5 he is good.Well at least better than feeley.But we should have never traded for feeley.

 

[zuper_man]

Yes. The Dolphins would have been better off not making the trade. The team essentially gave up a 2nd round pick for a back-up (assuming he is still 2nd string and doesn't lose out to Rosenfels/Berlin) quaterback. That is ridiculous. A lot of people blamed Wannstedt for not starting him over Fiedler but now Saban is playing him behind Frerotte. So I think it's time for people to stop saying he has the skills and potential and maybe ...just maybe...there's the possibility he isn't a very good NFL quaterback.

 

[clajoie_7]

I say start Rosenfels if Ferotte isn't getting it done and sever ties with Feeley. He's not good and he's making too much. Cut the losses now...Although with this OL we may need four qb's on the roster...

 

[inFINSible]

I agree that giving up a 2nd rounder, that turned into a high 2nd, for Feeley was a mistake. I think we probably could have gotten him for less. But all the hand wringing about it is ridiculous. First, we gave up the pick a year away and conventional wisdom is that a 2nd rounder next year is like giving up a 3rd rounder this year. Second, no one disputes that quarterback was a serious need position at the time. Take a look at the QBs that were available after the 2nd rounder we traded for Feeley. No QBs were taken in the 2nd round this year, i.e., no NFL team felt there was a QB worthy of their second round pick. None. With the exception of Charlie Frye, all were still available when the Fins picked in the 3rd (and passed on every one of them). Of the guys that were taken in the 3rd or later, none are legitimately competing for a starting job this year. In fact, none are higher than 3rd string on their team's depth chart (except Kyle Orton in the aftermath of Rex Grossman's injury). So how much better would the Fins now be at QB if they had not made that trade?

Then look at last year's draft. None of the guys who were available in round 2 in 2004 are starters in the NFL. None are even legitimately competing for a starting job. The only ones who are even No. 2 QBs are Schaub behind Vick in Atlanta and Sorgi behind Manning in Indy. I will go out on a limb and say those guys will never win the starting jobs where they are. Of the guys who were taken in the 1st round last year, the jury is still out on Rivers and Losman. Roethlisberger obviously had a great year last year, but Eli Manning's numbers last year make Feeley's look good. And obviously, the Fins never had a shot at Manning, Roethlisberger or Rivers.

So, would the Fins have been better off if they had not made that trade for Feeley? Maybe at some other position, but not at QB. Would they be better at QB if they had brought in one of the high priced veterans that were available in 2004, e.g., Garcia, Brunell, Warner, Collins? Maybe, but not by a whole lot (and would have been worse from a cap perspective).

Don't bring your logic around here, the natives don't like it.


I think your post makes a lot of sense but, if I'm agreeing with you, you can expect to get hammered by the drones..

Practice saying "Feeley sucks" and get in line.....:whip:

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

I agree that giving up a 2nd rounder, that turned into a high 2nd, for Feeley was a mistake. I think we probably could have gotten him for less. But all the hand wringing about it is ridiculous. First, we gave up the pick a year away and conventional wisdom is that a 2nd rounder next year is like giving up a 3rd rounder this year. Second, no one disputes that quarterback was a serious need position at the time. Take a look at the QBs that were available after the 2nd rounder we traded for Feeley. No QBs were taken in the 2nd round this year, i.e., no NFL team felt there was a QB worthy of their second round pick. None. With the exception of Charlie Frye, all were still available when the Fins picked in the 3rd (and passed on every one of them). Of the guys that were taken in the 3rd or later, none are legitimately competing for a starting job this year. In fact, none are higher than 3rd string on their team's depth chart (except Kyle Orton in the aftermath of Rex Grossman's injury). So how much better would the Fins now be at QB if they had not made that trade?

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Then look at last year's draft. None of the guys who were available in round 2 in 2004 are starters in the NFL. None are even legitimately competing for a starting job. The only ones who are even No. 2 QBs are Schaub behind Vick in Atlanta and Sorgi behind Manning in Indy. I will go out on a limb and say those guys will never win the starting jobs where they are. Of the guys who were taken in the 1st round last year, the jury is still out on Rivers and Losman. Roethlisberger obviously had a great year last year, but Eli Manning's numbers last year make Feeley's look good. And obviously, the Fins never had a shot at Manning, Roethlisberger or Rivers.

So, would the Fins have been better off if they had not made that trade for Feeley? Maybe at some other position, but not at QB. Would they be better at QB if they had brought in one of the high priced veterans that were available in 2004, e.g., Garcia, Brunell, Warner, Collins? Maybe, but not by a whole lot (and would have been worse from a cap perspective).

While your post makes sense, who said we were going to use a 2nd on a QB?? We could have used it on something else and taken Orton, Frye or somebody else with the Surtain pick.

 

[paskerbrandon]

I hope somehow that Feeley overtakes Frerotte in this pre-season game. I really want to see him starting week 1 not Gus.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I tend to be better off when I don't pay $4000 for a half empty jar of mustard. If we don't make the idiotic move for Feeley we maintain much more flexibility on draft day. That's what your analysis complelely overlooked. Let's say we retain the #2 and see Ben Roethlisberger sliding far beyond projection. There were 4 or 5 teams smack in front of Pittsburgh who already had young QBs, like Atlanta and Houston. Everything is rank speculation, but if we had the #2 maybe we could have packaged it along with the #1 and #4 later donated in the Carey deal, plus some other goodies, to vault ahead of the Steelers. Regardless, the Feeley deal is indefensible along with virtually every other decision Spielman tortured in his year at the helm.

 

[BlueFin]

I agree that giving up a 2nd rounder, that turned into a high 2nd, for Feeley was a mistake. I think we probably could have gotten him for less. But all the hand wringing about it is ridiculous. First, we gave up the pick a year away and conventional wisdom is that a 2nd rounder next year is like giving up a 3rd rounder this year. Second, no one disputes that quarterback was a serious need position at the time. Take a look at the QBs that were available after the 2nd rounder we traded for Feeley. No QBs were taken in the 2nd round this year, i.e., no NFL team felt there was a QB worthy of their second round pick. None. With the exception of Charlie Frye, all were still available when the Fins picked in the 3rd (and passed on every one of them). Of the guys that were taken in the 3rd or later, none are legitimately competing for a starting job this year. In fact, none are higher than 3rd string on their team's depth chart (except Kyle Orton in the aftermath of Rex Grossman's injury). So how much better would the Fins now be at QB if they had not made that trade?

Then look at last year's draft. None of the guys who were available in round 2 in 2004 are starters in the NFL. None are even legitimately competing for a starting job. The only ones who are even No. 2 QBs are Schaub behind Vick in Atlanta and Sorgi behind Manning in Indy. I will go out on a limb and say those guys will never win the starting jobs where they are. Of the guys who were taken in the 1st round last year, the jury is still out on Rivers and Losman. Roethlisberger obviously had a great year last year, but Eli Manning's numbers last year make Feeley's look good. And obviously, the Fins never had a shot at Manning, Roethlisberger or Rivers.

So, would the Fins have been better off if they had not made that trade for Feeley? Maybe at some other position, but not at QB. Would they be better at QB if they had brought in one of the high priced veterans that were available in 2004, e.g., Garcia, Brunell, Warner, Collins? Maybe, but not by a whole lot (and would have been worse from a cap perspective).

If I'm not mistaken Charlie Frye was drafted before we selected Channing Crowder in the 3rd round, so yes we could have drafted Frye, not only that we could have drafted Frye with the pick we wasted on Lamar Gordon which was a higher third rounder.

Frye would be a nice prospect to have developing right now.

 

[gimmemybullits]

Ask yourself, would you trade a 2nd round pick for Feeley? Would you trade a 2nd round pick for any 3rd string qb? More importantly would Saban make that trade? Why not? It's because a 3rd stringer is a 3rd stringer for a reason. Philly mgt is not stupid, in fact they are very successful. They deemed Feeley to be no better than a 3rd stringer, last option, bottom of barrel, emergency only qb and DEFINATELY NOT A STARTER and sure enough, true to form, Feeley is working his way down the depth chart. Why in the hell would anybody expect any different?

 

[inFINSible]

I tend to be better off when I don't pay $4000 for a half empty jar of mustard. If we don't make the idiotic move for Feeley we maintain much more flexibility on draft day. That's what your analysis complelely overlooked. Let's say we retain the #2 and see Ben Roethlisberger sliding far beyond projection. There were 4 or 5 teams smack in front of Pittsburgh who already had young QBs, like Atlanta and Houston. Everything is rank speculation, but if we had the #2 maybe we could have packaged it along with the #1 and #4 later donated in the Carey deal, plus some other goodies, to vault ahead of the Steelers. Regardless, the Feeley deal is indefensible along with virtually every other decision Spielman tortured in his year at the helm.

Yeah, it would have been nice of Speilman and Wanny to draft a QB for the next coach and GM, of course, saving their jobs was probably more important. Us as fans can sit here and say what should have been done or what we would have done but, it wasn't our a$$es on the line so, what do we care? The logic that Fineas brings is an explanation of why they went after who they did, not a hindsight aided look at what they could have done differently, especially when your plan would have involved certain failure to make the team better that year. It's wrong to assume that any first round QB is going to come in and save the franchise and I'd be willing to bet money that if Big Ben had been drafted here, he damn sure wouldn't be a household word right now, he'd more likely be getting just as much grief from the fans as Feeley is because he would have looked like a big turd playing behind that o-line just like any other QB that had to endure that torture last year in Miami.

 

[VManis]

I think we should have got dan orlovsky in the 7th.Hes had a good preseason.He has the perfect build.6"5 he is good.Well at least better than feeley.But we should have never traded for feeley.

Great idea but the only problem is the Lions picked him in the 5th.

 

[NorFlaFin]

Hindsight is 20/20

 

[Spegg]

It's wrong to assume that any first round QB is going to come in and save the franchise and I'd be willing to bet money that if Big Ben had been drafted here, he damn sure wouldn't be a household word right now, he'd more likely be getting just as much grief from the fans as Feeley is because he would have looked like a big turd playing behind that o-line just like any other QB that had to endure that torture last year in Miami.

Exactly. The biggest problem we had last year was the O-Line. Everyone wants to point to the QB's and obviously they weren't great either, but the O-Line is where it all starts. Hopefully we can get this line to work together.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

All previous drafts we're not the choice of this administration. Saban was brought in to shape up the ship. I believe Sabans only focus was THIS years draft. Sure he had AJ.. but I dont feel like he has an obligation to him. Many sources including the NFL network are reporting that Feeley is fighting for the number 2 spot.... not the starting job.. and he may not even make the roster.