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5 Guys That Could Lose/Gain the Most this TC

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Though we start the year with low expectations, this season has the makings of an exciting one for true fans of the franchise. Why? For the first time since the Shula days we seem to have stability and organization within the front office and coaching staff. If we assume that our brass will provide our franchise with much needed stability, then we can, for the first time since the Shula days, watch our team grow with the notion that the guys that perform well will be around for a while.

In other words, we shouldn't have to worry about the guy we thought had so much potential last year not fitting the system of that this year's coach utilizes. We shouldn't have to worry about whether a player's great year this year will be properly appreciated by the coach next year.

Everyone essentially gets a blank slate. Although there are a handful of guys that know their roles and essentially are assured their spots on the roster, this team is filled with guys that have an awful lot to lose/gain based on training camp and preseason performances. In the interest of time, however, I have picked 5 guys that have the most riding on the upcoming training camp:

1. John Beck - This one is a no-brainer. If Beck wins the quarterback competion this year, he is a young quarterback, handed the starting reigns, with the potential to grow into capable starter in the league. If McCown wins then Beck gets sandwiched between a guy that is essentially a stop-gap and a guy that will be hailed as the future. There's no logical advancement in that scenario, and odds are that if Beck finds himself in that situation he would have a hard time getting another legitimate shot to lead this team or any other.

2. Derek Hagan - This guy would not make my list but for the praise he has received this offseason. I was ready to write him off after last year, but an apparent change in work-ethic has me taking another look at his long term potential. In theory he is a well rounded receiver that could develop into a legitimate #2 receiver. I think we get a good idea this offseason whether Hagan is the guy we have seen over the last two years or the guy we've heard about this offseason. If he's the former, I suspect his future as a Dolphin won't last far beyond the end of this year. If it's the latter, I wouldn't totally discount the possibility of him being a starting wide receiver for this team. Big offseason for Hagan, IMO.

3. Channing Crowder - It's never a good thing when the career trajectory for a 4th year player is pointing downward, but that's the case with Crowder. After a promising rookie season, he has simply been serviceable the last couple of years. A backup linebacker on a Parcell's team can be serviceable, but Parcell's expects more from his starters. Crowder's also in a contract year, so he must prove a lot to show he's worthy of the money he expects. Similar to Hagan, I think Crowder either convinces BP and Co. that he's part of the future of this team or that he's part of the past.

4. Matt Roth - Sensing a pattern? The holdovers from the previous regime(s) won't be handled with kid gloves any longer. I don't think it's necessarily a "his guys" vs. "my guys" thing as much as it is looking for guys that show their worth on the field. We've clung to some guys that haven't lived up to the hype. Whether it's because previous regimes didn't ask enough, or whether they didn't push them hard enough, now it's time to get the job done. Roth has a lot of competition for his job this training camp. If he fends off the competition he could be a starter in this league. If not, he's a situational player.

5. Jason Allen - See directly above. Allen has a ton of potential, but I just don't think that's going to be enough to assure him a spot on the roster year after year. No doubt, up to this point Jason Allen has been a disappointment. If he doesn't start at safety this year, he's a bust, and we likely cut our losses either this year or next.

Thoughts? Feel free to post your list as well...
 
Though we start the year with low expectations, this season has the makings of an exciting one for true fans of the franchise. Why? For the first time since the Shula days we seem to have stability and organization within the front office and coaching staff. If we assume that our brass will provide our franchise with much needed stability, then we can, for the first time since the Shula days, watch our team grow with the notion that the guys that perform well will be around for a while.

In other words, we shouldn't have to worry about the guy we thought had so much potential last year not fitting the system of that this year's coach utilizes. We shouldn't have to worry about whether a player's great year this year will be properly appreciated by the coach next year.

Everyone essentially gets a blank slate. Although there are a handful of guys that know their roles and essentially are assured their spots on the roster, this team is filled with guys that have an awful lot to lose/gain based on training camp and preseason performances. In the interest of time, however, I have picked 5 guys that have the most riding on the upcoming training camp:

1. John Beck - This one is a no-brainer. If Beck wins the quarterback competion this year, he is a young quarterback, handed the starting reigns, with the potential to grow into capable starter in the league. If McCown wins then Beck gets sandwiched between a guy that is essentially a stop-gap and a guy that will be hailed as the future. There's no logical advancement in that scenario, and odds are that if Beck finds himself in that situation he would have a hard time getting another legitimate shot to lead this team or any other.

2. Derek Hagan - This guy would not make my list but for the praise he has received this offseason. I was ready to write him off after last year, but an apparent change in work-ethic has me taking another look at his long term potential. In theory he is a well rounded receiver that could develop into a legitimate #2 receiver. I think we get a good idea this offseason whether Hagan is the guy we have seen over the last two years or the guy we've heard about this offseason. If he's the former, I suspect his future as a Dolphin won't last far beyond the end of this year. If it's the latter, I wouldn't totally discount the possibility of him being a starting wide receiver for this team. Big offseason for Hagan, IMO.

3. Channing Crowder - It's never a good thing when the career trajectory for a 4th year player is pointing downward, but that's the case with Crowder. After a promising rookie season, he has simply been serviceable the last couple of years. A backup linebacker on a Parcell's team can be serviceable, but Parcell's expects more from his starters. Crowder's also in a contract year, so he must prove a lot to show he's worthy of the money he expects. Similar to Hagan, I think Crowder either convinces BP and Co. that he's part of the future of this team or that he's part of the past.

4. Matt Roth - Sensing a pattern? The holdovers from the previous regime(s) won't be handled with kid gloves any longer. I don't think it's necessarily a "his guys" vs. "my guys" thing as much as it is looking for guys that show their worth on the field. We've clung to some guys that haven't lived up to the hype. Whether it's because previous regimes didn't ask enough, or whether they didn't push them hard enough, now it's time to get the job done. Roth has a lot of competition for his job this training camp. If he fends off the competition he could be a starter in this league. If not, he's a situational player.

5. Jason Allen - See directly above. Allen has a ton of potential, but I just don't think that's going to be enough to assure him a spot on the roster year after year. No doubt, up to this point Jason Allen has been a disappointment. If he doesn't start at safety this year, he's a bust, and we likely cut our losses either this year or next.

Thoughts? Feel free to post your list as well...

I see and agree with everything you said,but the one person Im looking into right now is none other than mister Ronnie Brown.

when your drafted number 2 overall,I dont care who you were drafted by or what team your on,your expected to be among the best of the best of the draft,and surely so far thats not the case.Brown signed a 5-year contract in 05 and has 2 more years left.Granted he hasnt had the proper talent around him to suceed,but liek it or not,you are expected to turn in productive years,in which he has.

I am not a "Brown hater" so dont you all go blowin your instigating horn to sworn others against my opinion.Brown is a tremendous talent,but to have all that have only have 1 thousand yard season have no seasons with over 10 TD's.Brown isn't a bust,by and means,but 08 is the "make or break" year for Brown,unles in 09 he can turn it up,but if Parcells is even concerned just a lil bit,watch out for Chris "Beenie" Wells of Ohio State in the draft next year.Because although Parcells drafted backs later,Wells might be too good to pass up,especially if he can move Brown to get WR or DB.

I,again LOVE Brown(I even have his white jersey,bought it in December last year) but from a buisness stand point you cant hold on to a guy who plays dynamite for 7 straight games and has season ending injury,no matter how freakish it is,because excueses mean nothing to NFL owners who sign your check when your sitting on the sidelines....you know why??? cause thats lost millions....your paying a ugy to sit on his a** basically...thats wasted money,time and talent.Some people have to come to the realization that sometimes you have to let go have people...not cause you don't like them,but because its a wasted effort,and here,the effort would be trying to hang on to lost in profit..AGAIN I'm not saying Brown is I am talking about the future,but yea,thats my whole opinion
 
I agree for the most part. In fact, had I went further, Brown would have been #6. However, I think Ronnie has essentially proven himself on the field. In that sense he's established. What we need from Ronnie is for him to stay healthy and assert himself as an impact player.
 
Agree with those 5 completely. They have to step up. Wouldn't it be great if all 5 rocked the house this season?
 
Though we start the year with low expectations, this season has the makings of an exciting one for true fans of the franchise. Why? For the first time since the Shula days we seem to have stability and organization within the front office and coaching staff. If we assume that our brass will provide our franchise with much needed stability, then we can, for the first time since the Shula days, watch our team grow with the notion that the guys that perform well will be around for a while.

In other words, we shouldn't have to worry about the guy we thought had so much potential last year not fitting the system of that this year's coach utilizes. We shouldn't have to worry about whether a player's great year this year will be properly appreciated by the coach next year.

Everyone essentially gets a blank slate. Although there are a handful of guys that know their roles and essentially are assured their spots on the roster, this team is filled with guys that have an awful lot to lose/gain based on training camp and preseason performances. In the interest of time, however, I have picked 5 guys that have the most riding on the upcoming training camp:

1. John Beck - This one is a no-brainer. If Beck wins the quarterback competion this year, he is a young quarterback, handed the starting reigns, with the potential to grow into capable starter in the league. If McCown wins then Beck gets sandwiched between a guy that is essentially a stop-gap and a guy that will be hailed as the future. There's no logical advancement in that scenario, and odds are that if Beck finds himself in that situation he would have a hard time getting another legitimate shot to lead this team or any other.

2. Derek Hagan - This guy would not make my list but for the praise he has received this offseason. I was ready to write him off after last year, but an apparent change in work-ethic has me taking another look at his long term potential. In theory he is a well rounded receiver that could develop into a legitimate #2 receiver. I think we get a good idea this offseason whether Hagan is the guy we have seen over the last two years or the guy we've heard about this offseason. If he's the former, I suspect his future as a Dolphin won't last far beyond the end of this year. If it's the latter, I wouldn't totally discount the possibility of him being a starting wide receiver for this team. Big offseason for Hagan, IMO.

3. Channing Crowder - It's never a good thing when the career trajectory for a 4th year player is pointing downward, but that's the case with Crowder. After a promising rookie season, he has simply been serviceable the last couple of years. A backup linebacker on a Parcell's team can be serviceable, but Parcell's expects more from his starters. Crowder's also in a contract year, so he must prove a lot to show he's worthy of the money he expects. Similar to Hagan, I think Crowder either convinces BP and Co. that he's part of the future of this team or that he's part of the past.

4. Matt Roth - Sensing a pattern? The holdovers from the previous regime(s) won't be handled with kid gloves any longer. I don't think it's necessarily a "his guys" vs. "my guys" thing as much as it is looking for guys that show their worth on the field. We've clung to some guys that haven't lived up to the hype. Whether it's because previous regimes didn't ask enough, or whether they didn't push them hard enough, now it's time to get the job done. Roth has a lot of competition for his job this training camp. If he fends off the competition he could be a starter in this league. If not, he's a situational player.

5. Jason Allen - See directly above. Allen has a ton of potential, but I just don't think that's going to be enough to assure him a spot on the roster year after year. No doubt, up to this point Jason Allen has been a disappointment. If he doesn't start at safety this year, he's a bust, and we likely cut our losses either this year or next.

Thoughts? Feel free to post your list as well...

Great job! couldn't agree more! Just a thought how about TG at six! Last year's first round pick needs to show he deserved #9 pick. Again just a thought!:up:
 
Agree completely. I think Hagan, Crowder and Allen will prove themselves this year. While Roth and Beck wont.
 
1.John Beck-I'll agree, no brainer. Fact is, pretty much everybody that is returning is on thin ice, especially a guy who was less than stellar in limited play and with the new regime being in love with Chad Henne. If he's not the starter, the John Beck era will be over in Miami before it started

2.Channing Crowder-He wants to be paid, but he needs to be more than just solid to get what he wants. With his running mate in the 3-4 being either Akin Ayodele or Reggie Torbor (neither of whom are barn burners) he'll need to take that next step.

3.Tie between Charlie Anderson and Quinton Moses-They've both looked good in mini camp, and both are young, but they'll have to try to replace the greatest pass rusher in Dolphins history. If they don't look good in pads, neither will get the chance to be starters.

4.Regan Mauia-In a Dan Hennig offense, the FB must be versitile. Mauia is limited in what he can do on offense. That is not the only thing he has going against him with Tuna/Ireland FA signee Boomer Grigsby on board, and draftee Lex Hilliard as well (a guy who is being looked at as a Richie Anderson/Nick Goings FB/power back), Mauia might have an uphill battle.

5.All WRs not named Ginn or Wilford-I think Hagan is safe on the roster, BUT his spot as the number 3 WR is not. He will have to compete with Kirkus,Camarillo, and Bess as well as others for the right to get PT
 
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