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With Mr. "I like profits more than winning" Ross being the one to decide, then I don't think so. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them go 1-16 or even winless if it would guarantee a complete housecleaning. However, unless Ross changes his attitude about winning, it's highly possible that the next GM and HC could be just as incompetent as what they have now, since Ross values the GM and HC getting along more than having them be successful.

Previously, I often said that I thought Philbin was the worst thing to ever happen to the Dolphins, but then McDaniel came along and out-finessed queasy Joe. That said, Ross is responsible for both of them and Grier, so he's the reason why Miami is a weak team that gets pushed around by tough physical teams and is a pretender, not a contender. Ross is the worst thing that ever happened to this team!
hes interested in kicking the can down the line. Replacing the HC again gives him another 3-4 years of fan reprieve while the team suffers but grows in value. I honestly don't believe he will make a fundamental shift in his strategy.
 
The modern NFL is filled with rules that favor offenses. The Eagles are a prime example of what a modern defense needs to be. You pressure QBs every play rushing 3-4 defenders and drop 7-8 guys into coverage.

On paper their league leading pass defense looks like the basis for their success. They have a ton of young players who look like studs. I would argue that their DL is their best unit and that their secondary benefited from not having to hold coverage more than a few seconds.

I lay this out because I believe if Weaver can dial up our pass rush that our secondary will be fine. I’m not worried about our guys if they only have to cover 2-3 seconds. I’m worried if Josh Allen can hang out in the pocket sipping Mai Tais waiting for a receiver to get wide open all game.
Spot on. The return of Phillips and Chubb, and if they can have healthy years, is huge for this team.

Although the secondary is unproven, I like the competition. These young players are hungry and won't be given the luxury of phoning it in. Hopefully, one or more develop.
 
YOU mentioned profits. Did you forget? You claimed that by keeping Grier and McD around Ross only cares about profits. I asked how keeping Grier and McD around makes the Dolphins more profitable. You still haven’t answered. And you’re doing it again. How can keeping Grier both not help make the Dolphins a contender, but make Ross earn more money. That was YOUR assertion. “Ross puts profits over winning.” So explain that comment.

You wrote, “Ross puts profits over winning”. How does he do that? You still haven’t answered.
I already mentioned this in one of my posts, saying that I probably worded it wrong. By "profits" I mean money, and every year, as prices go up, every owner is making more money than the previous year from TV revenue, ticket prices, concessions, parking, and the value of the teams going up. IOW, an owner can do practically nothing to help his team be a winner and still make money, which is what Ross is doing.

Everything Ross does financially, such as renovate the stadium or build a racetrack is done to hopefully attract Super Bowls and race fans, which means more money. But, does he hire proven, successful GMs or HCs in order to win games? No... he hires nobodies because winning is not his priority.

How much clearer can I be?
 
From what I read, McD would devise the game plan and play calls before the game. Shanahan would then approve, give input, and/or ask for changes to be made. Then Shanahan would call the plays during the game.
Okay, you say that I make up stuff or just repeat what I've heard from other posters, yet here you are telling me that I was wrong because of something you read. BTW, I also read that Shanahan called the plays, not McDaniel. And, there's a huge difference between coming up with plays before the game and knowing which plays to call in certain situations during the game. McDaniel can design the plays, but that doesn't mean that he's good at knowing how to call them effectively.

IOW, you and I are not very different, we just see things from opposite viewpoints. So, let's stop this arguing, and when the games start, we'll have a better idea of who's right and who's wrong. Maybe McDaniel will prove to be the genius that so many think he is, or maybe he'll show that he still hasn't learned how to effectively manage a game. Also, if the team has another losing season, then we'll know if Ross is really interested in winning depending on whether he keeps Grier and McDaniel or fires them.
 
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Tua can play all 17 games and he is still not good enough. When you take that into consideration with an aging Hill, frequently hurt Waddle, possibly no J Smith, no LBs n Secondary, it starts to make sense on why people are predicting low amount of wins.
 
I think the better way to judge a coach, or GM, or player is to see if they are getting better each season. Grier has been stagnant for years. McD has had 3 seasons as a HC, and those seasons have been abnormal with injuries. But, IMO he’s been progressing. So I think Grier should be gone. McD gets more time. And those feelings are true whether we win a Super Bowl or go 8-9.
Putting the other nonsense between us aside, I can mostly agree with this. It seems some of our differences have to do with McDaniel, so I will admit that maybe I've gone about explaining my side poorly. IMO, since football is a tough, physical game, I want Miami to be a tough, physical team. I'd like to see an o-line full of big, strong, old-school maulers who can both protect the QB and open holes in the running game for a big power RB.

However, it appears to me that McDaniel's offensive philosophy is more about finesse than physical dominance, and I feel that ever since Philbin brought his fancy blocking schemes and his "short pass mostly takes the place of the running game" way of thinking, Miami has, except for the rare win, been physically dominated by tough, physical teams.

That said, I can understand how speed and finesse can have some success against big, strong, slower players. So, that's why IMO a big, strong o-line that can occasionally be finesse when needed would logically be better than a finesse o-line that can't be tough and physically dominating when needed. IOW, I dislike McDaniel more for his offensive philosophy than for his inexperience.

BTW, this also is the basis for my dislike of Ross. When he took over, Sparano had a tough team with a decent defense (Top 5 against the run) which usually fared well against top teams. But, the offense didn't have enough talent at the skill positions, so while the defense kept them in games, the offense too often had to settle for FGs instead of TDs, resulting in more losses. I looked it up, and from 2000 through 2011, Miami drafted just two offensive skill position players (QB, RB, TE, and WR) in the 1st round... RB Ronnie Brown and WR Ted Ginn. In the first three rounds of all of those drafts they selected just 8 (I could be off by one) skill position players, with many of them being JAGs rather than top talent.

IMO, the team needed a new GM who could get them the talent on offense that they lacked. But, Ross kept the GM and instead replaced Sparano with Philbin. Philbin slowly got rid of a bunch of tough guys on defense and introduced his fancy blocking schemes to the o-line. The result was that Sparano's o-linemen who held their own under the tough d-lines of the Jets and Bills were suddenly ineffective against those same d-lines, and Miami started losing more games to those lowly teams. They did draft Tannehill in the 1st round, who while not elite, was the most sacked QB during his first four seasons, even with three 1st round picks on that o-line. Miami has had o-line issues ever since then.

So, that's why I hate Ross, because IMO he made the wrong choice back then, and it appears that every personnel decision he's made since then has not helped the team become a contender.
 
I can see this happening, even without having watched the video. The question is: will two 8-9 seasons be enough to clean house?
I have admitted before I am a glass half full guy, but I see us losing twice to the bills and at best a split with the pats and jets. We will be 2-4 and could be 1-5 in our own division. I just don’t see us better than 6-9 wins, likely 6 or 7.
Always love to be wrong when I have negative predictions, but it just seems we have too many question marks.
I would have to defer to someone who played at a high ish level to be able to comment about how long it takes to shift a culture. Does it always take a new coach?
 
It's interesting to me, that people say if Tua plays the whole season, we can win 10 or 11 games. BUT McDaniel can't coach and is soft. The OL line is weak. And Tyreek is a head case and a cancer. We are a finesse team not physical like the top teams. So if this team is much less talented than the last 2 seasons, I don't see them winning more than 7 games with or without Tua.
 
I think putting absolutes like “at least 11 wins” or “one playoff game win” is short sighted.

If the Dolphins win a playoff game, does that erase the past all of a sudden? Will McD somehow be a great HC? Grier a great GM? What if Tua had played in McD’s first playoff game and they beat the Bills, which seems likely because they almost won with Skylar, but lost in the next game. Would people be adding yet more absolutes or would they just say Grier and McD are good to go?

I think the better way to judge a coach, or GM, or player is to see if they are getting better each season. Grier has been stagnant for years. McD has had 3 seasons as a HC, and those seasons have been abnormal with injuries. But, IMO he’s been progressing. So I think Grier should be gone. McD gets more time. And those feelings are true whether we win a Super Bowl or go 8-9.
If we win a playoff win we are no longer the laughing stock of the league with the longest playoff win drought (2nd longest in pro sports).

Yeah, it would change a lot.

Winning solves everything, except your terrible takes in every thread.
 
If we win a playoff win we are no longer the laughing stock of the league with the longest playoff win drought (2nd longest in pro sports).

Yeah, it would change a lot.

Winning solves everything, except your terrible takes in every thread.
Yeah, media narratives are for dullards. And anyone who thinks Grier would all of a sudden become a great GM if the Dolphins win a playoff game next season aren’t very smart.

A lot of the players on this team weren’t even alive 25 yrs ago. McD was 17 years old. So I’m not sure what baby Tua and 17 yr old McD have to do with things that happened 25, 20, 10 or even 4 yrs ago.

You can be mad at Tony Sparano (RIP), Adam Gase, and Joe Philbin… hell, you can even scream at the clouds and be mad at the rain when it washes away your sidewalk chalk drawings… But I don’t have to be angry about things that make no sense being angry about. Yes, it’s been a long time since my favorite football team has won a playoff game. However, being mad at the HC and QB who have been together for 3 years and have been to 2 postseasons isn’t rational. I prefer rationality and objectivity. You don’t. That’s OK. You do you. Just make sure you’re getting a regular physical. Stress is bad for the heart. 👍
 
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