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80+ SPARQ for each position (3 Sigma Athlete)

Thanks,I do know it's a Metric score on Athleticism..I just dislike test like these for a game like Football...It gives the advantage to athletic gifted person that don't have a lick of Football skill in elevating there draft status.

its a good read and I appreciate the time you put in on this post.

My pleasure. Football asks its players to perform very specific tasks, so I'd use this sort of thing as a springboard toward other physical metrics, and even more specific metrics are only part of the equation. Seattle is the team that popularized the SPARQ results, though, so I wouldn't completely discount them.

Also, if Gurley did test, I'd expect him to be high on the list of RB's.
 
2015 Defense

DL

Brian Mihalik Boston College – 97.6
David Irving Iowa State – 91.1
BJ McBryde Connecticut – 89.8
Mike Bennett Ohio St. – 89.8
Warren Herring Wisconsin – 87.5
Tory Slater West Georgia – 87.3
Josh Watson Clemson – 86.7
Grady Jarrett Clemson – 86.7
Xavier Cooper Washington St. – 85.6
Vince Taylor Vanderbilt – 80.4

Edge

Davis Tull Chattanooga – 99.3
Vic Beasley Clemson – 99.2
Bud Dupree Kentucky – 97.5
Owa Odighizuwa UCLA – 95.6
Frank Clark Michigan – 95.1
Nick Seither Georgetown St. – 94.5
Danielle Hunter LSU – 94.0
Randy Gregory Nebraska – 92.2
Shaquille Riddick West Virginia – 84.9
Preston Smith Mississippi St. – 84.2
Eli Harold Virginia – 84.0

Off LB

Jimmy Hall Northwester – 95.7
Mark Nzeocha Wyoming – 95.3
Stephone Anthony Clemson – 92.2
Cameron Ontko Cal Poly – 90.5
Jordan Hicks Texas – 87.5
Eric Kendricks UCLA – 84.3

CB

Byron Jones Connecticut – 99.9
Darryl Roberts Marshall – 99.0
Eric Rowe Utah – 94.4
Willie Creear Eastern Michigan – 92.5
Josh Shaw USC – 92.3
Craig Mager Texas St. – 91.8
Ronald Darby Florida St. – 91.1
Kevin Johnson Wake Forest – 91.0
Justin Cox Mississippi St. – 87.9
Bobby McCain Memphis – 86.4
Dexter McDonald Kansas – 85.7
PJ Williams Florida St. – 85.5
Bryce Callahan Rice – 84.7
Justin Coleman Tennessee – 80.9

S

Adrian Amos Penn St. – 88.2
Ryan Murphy Oregon St. – 85.8
Cedric Thompson Minnesota – 84.0
Harold Jones-Quartey Findlay – 81.7
 
Again, we're still waiting on Pro Days, but for those counting, 2016 has 33 players who rank in the top 20% at their position. 2015 had 98.
 
I look at it more of a disqualifier now. Anyone with a z score of -.05 or worse is pretty much dropped. With the exception to productive, big name guys, which I'm willing to go down to -1.0 for "top 50" guys. Tyler Boyd and Taylor Decker both scored between -0.5 and -1.0. I'm not going to disqualify them.
 
I look at it more of a disqualifier now. Anyone with a z score of -.05 or worse is pretty much dropped. With the exception to productive, big name guys, which I'm willing to go down to -1.0 for "top 50" guys. Tyler Boyd and Taylor Decker both scored between -0.5 and -1.0. I'm not going to disqualify them.

Decker is 2nd/3rd RD guy for me. Short arms, weird build, but he's a solid player. Boyd is a very skilled WR, so he can overcome below average athleticism. I'd say he's still worth a 2nd to a team that needs a reliable target.
 
I won't bump anyone up because of their scores, but here is who I would disqualify (or take off my board if I worked in player personnel). Unless some of them have an injury I'm unaware of, these players don't have the athleticism to succeed at the pro level:

Paul Perkins [RB] UCLA
Peyton Barber [RB] Auburn
Marshaun Coprich [RB] Illinois State
Kelvin Taylor [RB] Florida
Shadrach Thornton [RB] NC State
Alex Collins [RB] Arkansas
Bralon Addison [WR] Oregon
Tajae Sharpe [WR] UMASS
Cayleb Jones [WR] Arizona
Mekale McKay [WR] Cincinnati
Geronimo Allison [WR] Illinois
Roger Lewis [WR] Bowling Green
Hunter Sharp [WR] Utah State
Aaron Burbridge [WR] Michigan State
DeMarcus Ayers [WR] Houston
Rashard Higgins [WR] Colorado State
Kenny Lawler [WR] Cal
Alonzo Russell [WR] Toledo
D’haquille Williams [WR] Auburn
De’Runnya Wilson [WR] Mississippi State
David Morgan [TE] UTSA
Bryce Williams [TE] East Carolina
David Grinnage [TE] NC State
Alex Redmond [OL] UCLA
John Theus [OL] Georgia
Graham Glasgow [OL] Michigan
Alex Lewis [OL] Nebraska
Austin Blythe [OL] Iowa
Nila Kasitati [OL] Oklahoma
Dominique Robertson [OL] West Georgia
Spencer Drango [OL] Baylor
Willie Beavers [OL] Western Michigan
Nick Martin [OL] Notre Dame
Parker Ehinger [OL] Cincinnati
Stephane Nembot [OL] Colorado
Cole Toner [OL] Harvard
Christian Westerman [OL] Arizona State
Evan Boehm [OL] Missouri
Matt Skura [OL] Duke
Faith Cooper [OL] Mississippi State
Jack Allen [OL] Michigan State
Darrell Greene [OL] San Diego State
Tyler Marz [OL] Wisconsin
Vadal Alexander [OL] LSU
Jerald Hawkins [OL] LSU
Pearce Slater [OL] San Diego State
Sebastian Tretola [OL] Arkansas
Denver Kirkland [OL] Arkansas
Landon Turner [OL] North Carolina
D.J. Reader [DL] Clemson
Ufomba Kamalu [DL] Miami
Chris Mayes [DL] Georgia
Darius Latham [DL] Indiana
Adolphus Washington [DL] Ohio State
DeVaunte Sigler [DL] Jacksonville State
James Cowser [EDGE] Utah State
Victor Ochi [EDGE] Stony Brook
Romeo Okwara [EDGE] Notre Dame
Giorgio Newberry [EDGE] Florida State
Branden Jackson [EDGE] Texas Tech
Mehdi Abdesman [EDGE] Boston College
Sterling Bailey [EDGE] Georgia
D.J. Pettway [EDGE] Alabama
Joe Schobert [LB] Wisconsin
Terrance Smith [LB] Florida State
Blake Martinez [LB] Stanford
Cory Littleton [LB] Washington
Beniquez Brown [LB] Mississippi State
Kentrell Brothers [LB] Missouri
Tyler Matakevich [LB] Temple
Steve Longa [LB] Rutgers
Eric Striker [LB] Oklahoma
Josh Forrest [LB] Kentucky
Steven Daniels [LB] Boston College
Jarred Norris [LB] Utah
Kris Frost [LB] Auburn
Gionni Paul [LB] Utah
Xavien Howard [CB] Baylor
Harlan Miller [CB] SE Louisiana
Deon Bush [FS] Miami
Tyvis Powell [FS] Ohio State
Jayron Kearse [SS] Clemson
DeAndre Houston-Cars [FS] William & Mary
Jordan Lomax [FS] Iowa
Elijah Shumate [SS] Notre Dame
Darian Thompson [FS] Boise State
Lamarcus Brutus [SS] Florida State
A.J. Stamps [FS] Kentucky
 
I won't bump anyone up because of their scores, but here is who I would disqualify (or take off my board if I worked in player personnel). Unless some of them have an injury I'm unaware of, these players don't have the athleticism to succeed at the pro level:

Paul Perkins [RB] UCLA
Peyton Barber [RB] Auburn
Marshaun Coprich [RB] Illinois State
Kelvin Taylor [RB] Florida
Shadrach Thornton [RB] NC State
Alex Collins [RB] Arkansas
Bralon Addison [WR] Oregon
Tajae Sharpe [WR] UMASS
Cayleb Jones [WR] Arizona
Mekale McKay [WR] Cincinnati
Geronimo Allison [WR] Illinois
Roger Lewis [WR] Bowling Green
Hunter Sharp [WR] Utah State
Aaron Burbridge [WR] Michigan State
DeMarcus Ayers [WR] Houston
Rashard Higgins [WR] Colorado State
Kenny Lawler [WR] Cal
Alonzo Russell [WR] Toledo
D’haquille Williams [WR] Auburn
De’Runnya Wilson [WR] Mississippi State
David Morgan [TE] UTSA
Bryce Williams [TE] East Carolina
David Grinnage [TE] NC State
Alex Redmond [OL] UCLA
John Theus [OL] Georgia
Graham Glasgow [OL] Michigan
Alex Lewis [OL] Nebraska
Austin Blythe [OL] Iowa
Nila Kasitati [OL] Oklahoma
Dominique Robertson [OL] West Georgia
Spencer Drango [OL] Baylor
Willie Beavers [OL] Western Michigan
Nick Martin [OL] Notre Dame
Parker Ehinger [OL] Cincinnati
Stephane Nembot [OL] Colorado
Cole Toner [OL] Harvard
Christian Westerman [OL] Arizona State
Evan Boehm [OL] Missouri
Matt Skura [OL] Duke
Faith Cooper [OL] Mississippi State
Jack Allen [OL] Michigan State
Darrell Greene [OL] San Diego State
Tyler Marz [OL] Wisconsin
Vadal Alexander [OL] LSU
Jerald Hawkins [OL] LSU
Pearce Slater [OL] San Diego State
Sebastian Tretola [OL] Arkansas
Denver Kirkland [OL] Arkansas
Landon Turner [OL] North Carolina
D.J. Reader [DL] Clemson
Ufomba Kamalu [DL] Miami
Chris Mayes [DL] Georgia
Darius Latham [DL] Indiana
Adolphus Washington [DL] Ohio State
DeVaunte Sigler [DL] Jacksonville State
James Cowser [EDGE] Utah State
Victor Ochi [EDGE] Stony Brook
Romeo Okwara [EDGE] Notre Dame
Giorgio Newberry [EDGE] Florida State
Branden Jackson [EDGE] Texas Tech
Mehdi Abdesman [EDGE] Boston College
Sterling Bailey [EDGE] Georgia
D.J. Pettway [EDGE] Alabama
Joe Schobert [LB] Wisconsin
Terrance Smith [LB] Florida State
Blake Martinez [LB] Stanford
Cory Littleton [LB] Washington
Beniquez Brown [LB] Mississippi State
Kentrell Brothers [LB] Missouri
Tyler Matakevich [LB] Temple
Steve Longa [LB] Rutgers
Eric Striker [LB] Oklahoma
Josh Forrest [LB] Kentucky
Steven Daniels [LB] Boston College
Jarred Norris [LB] Utah
Kris Frost [LB] Auburn
Gionni Paul [LB] Utah
Xavien Howard [CB] Baylor
Harlan Miller [CB] SE Louisiana
Deon Bush [FS] Miami
Tyvis Powell [FS] Ohio State
Jayron Kearse [SS] Clemson
DeAndre Houston-Cars [FS] William & Mary
Jordan Lomax [FS] Iowa
Elijah Shumate [SS] Notre Dame
Darian Thompson [FS] Boise State
Lamarcus Brutus [SS] Florida State
A.J. Stamps [FS] Kentucky

Couldn't disagree more with Perkins. Love his vision and ability to jump cut in the hole. Also good in the passing game. Not a blazer, but a 4.54 guy. Shows lower body explosion with a really good broad jump.
 
Couldn't disagree more with Perkins. Love his vision and ability to jump cut in the hole. Also good in the passing game. Not a blazer, but a 4.54 guy. Shows lower body explosion with a really good broad jump.

His z-score was -0.6 IIRC, and I was not a fan of his film at all.

The best backs for this draft are:
1. Elliott
2. Henry
3. Booker
4. Dixon
5. Howard
 
His z-score was -0.6 IIRC, and I was not a fan of his film at all.

The best backs for this draft are:
1. Elliott
2. Henry
3. Booker
4. Dixon
5. Howard

In fairness to Perkins, that score doesn't factor in his agility drills. I'm not seeing any info on those yet, but I'd expect that to be his strongest area.
 
Perkins does very little for me, I think his lack of athletism shows on tape.

But he's pretty savvy, I'll give him that.
 
What's the SPARQ methodology?

Honestly, I would just want guys that can broad jump at least ten feet and are really smart.
 
This verifies that Derrick Henry is the best RB in the draft and Josh Doctson is the best WR, which the tape shows, they are elite prospects!

Jalen Ramsey is obv up there, maybe #1 prospect in the draft.
 
Excellent job. I've been busy elsewhere and haven't looked at any of this stuff to date. I had planned to track it down next week.

I appreciate that some of my favorite players are on the list, guys like Jason Spriggs, Eric Murray and Robert Nkemdiche. I wondered about the absence of Eli Apple until reading that he skipped many tests.

I'll have to raise Darron Lee after looking at his score. That guy has been the biggest wild card among all these prospects to me. The Dolphins desperately need somebody who can create sudden plays for a loss. I get annoyed at pretending Jelani Jenkins is somebody we are supposed to be content with year after year.

Hargreaves has an incredibly strange frame. Massive butt and thighs for that position. I noted it somewhat during his Florida career but it really stood out at the combine. I couldn't believe nobody was mentioning it, until finally Deion Sanders did. He said he normally doesn't like cornerbacks with thick lower bodies but he does like Hargreaves. Overall I hope we start avoiding guys who have less than ideal frames for the position. Jordan Phillips was last year's example. Sorry, he's not built like a defensive tackle.

Along those lines, I'll be very interested to see where Buckner is used. He looks like a pure 3-4 end, not a defensive tackle. For one thing, Buckner has very, very long strides. That normally is not ideal at defensive tackle. If your initial thrust doesn't enable a gap you have to shuffle step quickly to create something. Buckner does not shuffle step. He keeps long striding and gets stalemated. The comparison to Calais Campbell is cliche but it is correct. I hate to downgrade somebody with that much ability and such a huge frame. Campbell was also somewhat lethargic in his final season in college. Buckner can have some Dion Jordan moments out there, even though he's far more legitimate. In the bowl game against TCU, Buckner looked winded and disinterested from the opening snap of the second half. Often he didn't even line up in a threatening stance. It was unbelievable, like he didn't care at all. Of course, he had plenty of help from blase teammates. It takes special talent to blow a 31-0 halftime lead against a backup quarterback. TCU was actually running smack at Buckner with considerable success late in that fourth quarter. Only a handful of times did Buckner actually try. Then he would use a quick swim move and enter the backfield in a flash. Mack Brown at color commentator would rave about it, somehow ignoring all the plays in which Buckner did nothing and rarely gave much of an effort. Buckner could be a big hit on a talented front but I could see him struggling on a less than ideal setting.

This wide receiver crop is a major anomaly. There have been many more kids at that position entering the league with a "make it" grade and athletic ability than the league has room for. That is also true of recent college crops at the position.

Metrics are still underrated and under reported. Other sports are using the ideas also. For example, believe it or not there are now specific tests used to identify potential in golf long drive competitions. They are standard power-based tests like standing broad jump. One guy developed three tests that supposedly identify long drive potential. He found someone who had freak scores in those three tests. The guy wasn't even on the long drive radar. But the coach contacted specialists in the field and said the guy was a certain winner, if provided the training and path. There were natural skeptics. But it happened. The guy won the REMAX long drive championship. This was maybe 10 or 12 years ago. Those tests also excluded many guys who were thought to be potential winners based on standard criteria, until they took the tests and did not fare nearly as well as expected.
 
Excellent job. I've been busy elsewhere and haven't looked at any of this stuff to date. I had planned to track it down next week.

I appreciate that some of my favorite players are on the list, guys like Jason Spriggs, Eric Murray and Robert Nkemdiche. I wondered about the absence of Eli Apple until reading that he skipped many tests.

I'll have to raise Darron Lee after looking at his score. That guy has been the biggest wild card among all these prospects to me. The Dolphins desperately need somebody who can create sudden plays for a loss. I get annoyed at pretending Jelani Jenkins is somebody we are supposed to be content with year after year.

Hargreaves has an incredibly strange frame. Massive butt and thighs for that position. I noted it somewhat during his Florida career but it really stood out at the combine. I couldn't believe nobody was mentioning it, until finally Deion Sanders did. He said he normally doesn't like cornerbacks with thick lower bodies but he does like Hargreaves. Overall I hope we start avoiding guys who have less than ideal frames for the position. Jordan Phillips was last year's example. Sorry, he's not built like a defensive tackle.

Along those lines, I'll be very interested to see where Buckner is used. He looks like a pure 3-4 end, not a defensive tackle. For one thing, Buckner has very, very long strides. That normally is not ideal at defensive tackle. If your initial thrust doesn't enable a gap you have to shuffle step quickly to create something. Buckner does not shuffle step. He keeps long striding and gets stalemated. The comparison to Calais Campbell is cliche but it is correct. I hate to downgrade somebody with that much ability and such a huge frame. Campbell was also somewhat lethargic in his final season in college. Buckner can have some Dion Jordan moments out there, even though he's far more legitimate. In the bowl game against TCU, Buckner looked winded and disinterested from the opening snap of the second half. Often he didn't even line up in a threatening stance. It was unbelievable, like he didn't care at all. Of course, he had plenty of help from blase teammates. It takes special talent to blow a 31-0 halftime lead against a backup quarterback. TCU was actually running smack at Buckner with considerable success late in that fourth quarter. Only a handful of times did Buckner actually try. Then he would use a quick swim move and enter the backfield in a flash. Mack Brown at color commentator would rave about it, somehow ignoring all the plays in which Buckner did nothing and rarely gave much of an effort. Buckner could be a big hit on a talented front but I could see him struggling on a less than ideal setting.

This wide receiver crop is a major anomaly. There have been many more kids at that position entering the league with a "make it" grade and athletic ability than the league has room for. That is also true of recent college crops at the position.

Metrics are still underrated and under reported. Other sports are using the ideas also. For example, believe it or not there are now specific tests used to identify potential in golf long drive competitions. They are standard power-based tests like standing broad jump. One guy developed three tests that supposedly identify long drive potential. He found someone who had freak scores in those three tests. The guy wasn't even on the long drive radar. But the coach contacted specialists in the field and said the guy was a certain winner, if provided the training and path. There were natural skeptics. But it happened. The guy won the REMAX long drive championship. This was maybe 10 or 12 years ago. Those tests also excluded many guys who were thought to be potential winners based on standard criteria, until they took the tests and did not fare nearly as well as expected.

Glad to see you posting again, Awsi! And you long-drive example rings true. People overlook just how much more refinement these players will receive in the NFL - compared to college. Particularly on the defensive side of the ball, the skills are not particularly nuanced. Instincts are the wild card, but most people wouldn't have a hard time learning the techniques that DL, LB's, and DB's utilize (understanding that it's now a full-time job). There are very few people, though, who have the athletic ability to compete at those positions. Many people had Frank Clark as an UDFA at this time last year. Seattle saw a guy with long arms, explosive power, and pretty good agility. Despite huge character red flags, they drafted him in the 2nd (their first pick of the draft); a lot of people were down on D. Hunter, because he had 1 sack during his last year at LSU. He shouldn't have fallen to the 3rd, but he's already contributing in a major way in Minnesota. Meanwhile, college studs like Jarvis Jones fall by the wayside, because they just don't have the tools to compete at a high level in the NFL.
 
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