Ryan •
I've been a paid subscriber here for 6 years, however, unless more in depth info is added, I really don't see it getting to 7. I have been VERY disappointed with the new service. I understand they are a business and are probably getting paid very nicely by the NFL teams to make the premium stats private, which I can respect, but the info they are now expecting the general public to pay for is extremely underwhelming. I know its only $20 bucks a year, but for basically just the generic grades and snap counts, it isn't even worth 20 to me, which is very disappointing for me to say as a longtime, happy, subscriber.
Jeramie Kruger Ryan •
Amen Ryan. I have been a subscribing for 5 years. I lost my access to the premium statistics and before I even saw this on year trial, I purchased the year of grades already.
You should have seen my face when I opened up the grades for the first time. Complete and utter disappointment. Definitely not worth $20, and I would highly advise everyone to save their money.
PFF begged people like me and you to subscribe to their service so many years ago and now that they are being used on ESPN and the like, they are kicking us to the curb.We built their foundation, we spread the word about how great they were, and for our loyalty and commitment to the growth of PFF, we get betrayed.
I need a new site for statistics and a new site to spend my money. If the people who run PFF think people like me will keep coming back for grades, snap counts, and amateur articles, they are sorely mistaken. I have little to no reason to come back to this site, and that is after dumping $20 into it last week.
It's time to move on. The people who run PFF clearly aren't business people, because their business decisions from Day 1 have been pretty shaky. Time to go somewhere that we are valued as customers / subscribers.
Josh Stewart Jeramie Kruger •
No, the problem is that they ARE business people, not consumer people. Providing the same stats they give ESPN to you would not be a good business decision, as ESPN and NFL probably pay a lot more than you for it lol. It seems like they only care about money. The free trial was a joke and I can't even believe that it's an option to pay for that.
Jeramie Kruger Josh Stewart •
Incorrect. As a business you have more than one avenue to explore. I understand the problem that you are conveying. ESPN and NFL pay XXX and they probably don't like that normal people like myself can get it for much cheaper.
If PFF, as a company, put out a number of solutions on the table, and they went with "Option F" of completely removing premium statistics and replacing it with basic grades for a fee of $20... They clearly aren't making wise business choices.
That solution being deemed the best route for continued growth is indeed an error.
Josh Stewart Jeramie Kruger •
The best business plan is to make the most money. PFF's way to make the most money is to provide stats to the highest paying people. ESPN and NFL pay them more money to keep their stats to them than the customer base would. Simple.
enai D Josh Stewart •
You're missing the point- it didn't have to be an either/or, so they they may well be screwing themselves out of money in the future. They probably could've come up with a way to keep the average Joe subscribers reasonably happy (and more importantly, coming back for more) while still offering ESPN/NFL/etc. premo services.
Josh Stewart enai D •
I'm sure that ESPN/NFL made this their deal, though. That is my point. ESPN said we will pay you X for these stats to be exclusive to us. PFF said, yup! That's more than we make off of normal subscribers, so obviously we will take your offer.
Ardbear Jeramie Kruger •
I couldn't agree more with what's being written here. Without context the "new" grades could have been made up as well. They are so much detached from hard data that you can't pull any real info from them. As sad as I am, I won't subscibe the service until they radically improve the content.
Josh Stewart Ryan •
Yeah, I tried the free trial and in no way, shape, or form would imagine paying for it. I was expecting the stats they put in their articles (such as -2.3 pass blocking and "allowed pressure on 6 of 9 pass plays") to be included. It was not. All they give you is a grade with no explanation of how they got it lol.
Greg Maus Ryan •
yea even the grading system is more of a hassle to use. we used to be able to see all the grades from one particular game, or pick 1 team and see all the grades from that team for the season. now the only means of viewing grades is through the position rankings. the only cool addition was the matchups page.
I'm really disappointed in the removal of signature stats. They had extensive coverage stats where you could see which players were covering other players as well as stats like the number of seconds a qb had to throw the ball, or player pressures broken down by sacks, hits, and hurries. Now it's all gone. And it's not like they just raised the price of one of their best services. They removed all access to it so it's not even possible to buy (unless you're an NFL team I guess). I think this might be my last year with PFF.
Brine Crow Greg Maus •
"And it's not like they just raised the price of one of their best services. They removed all access to it so it's not even possible to buy (unless you're an NFL team I guess)."
Bingo. When my premium subscription runs out, I'll be done with this site.
crosseyedlemon Ryan •
I guess the nearly 20 folks who bumped this weren't impressed with the testimonials in the right hand column....lol.
Pro Football Focus had been my go to site to find in-depth analytics. A generic grade that is detached from the game data that shapes the rating doesn't measure up to the service that has been stripped away from some users. Unfortunately, it looks as if the strong arm of the NFL has muscled the little guy out. I'll have to find another source of information as this isn't worth the cost of subscription.
Jacob Furness •
This was going to be my first year using PFF as I didn't know about the site prior, and the new looks of grades is disappointing. I have seen how the premium stats are layer out and that is infinitely better than the grading scale. While the grading scale is somewhat useful, it is not nearly as good of a tool. I was planning on getting premium statistics this year, but I will not be paying for these grades.
Tone •
Premium Stats is the way to go. nflsavant.com is now my go to site for in-depth stats about teams and players. It is free also, which beats out this sham that PFF is trying to
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