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Sounds like football games, not madden games.
Adam Gase - Coach Of The Year - What?
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ckparrothead
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I'm on the fence on Adam Gase, personally...as I've been trying to indicate.
But I do think credit where it's due. He's 5-4 despite having Brock Osweiler as his QB for 4 games.
Also the Josh Sitton loss was pretty big. He plays against the Cincinnati Bengals, they win that game, period.
I am absolutely, positively over this defensive pseudo system created out of a Wide-9 defensive line technique. At least, as it's coached by Matt Burke. Done.
But I do think credit where it's due. He's 5-4 despite having Brock Osweiler as his QB for 4 games.
Also the Josh Sitton loss was pretty big. He plays against the Cincinnati Bengals, they win that game, period.
I am absolutely, positively over this defensive pseudo system created out of a Wide-9 defensive line technique. At least, as it's coached by Matt Burke. Done.
phins_4_ever
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I wouldn't put him into COY category but like I said in another thread he will be back next year just based on the list of injuries we have. That with all our injuries we are are at 5-4 is nothing but short of amazing. Usually these are moments where a fan base rallies around the team and take on that "us against the world" attitude but not here. Whining, crying, bitching and moaning even after a win.
I certainly do have issues with Gase but that does not blind me from acknowledging what he has done with a severely reduced roster.
If he can keep us within striking distance of a playoff spot he has deserved another shot next year. If he can put us into the playoffs he deserves to be mentioned as COY (though other coaches probably deserve it more).
I certainly do have issues with Gase but that does not blind me from acknowledging what he has done with a severely reduced roster.
If he can keep us within striking distance of a playoff spot he has deserved another shot next year. If he can put us into the playoffs he deserves to be mentioned as COY (though other coaches probably deserve it more).
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He has to be something having a winning record with a team painfully annihilated by injuries. There is much props to give in that regard.
But, come on. The rest of the world doesn't observe every millisecond of every snap the way we do.
The offense we run cannot/will not outscore the likes of the big boys in the league. That being the case, what is the point of running such an offense?
You have to hope your defense dominates in every game. And as my grandpapi used to say, you can hope in one hand and crap in the other, see which one gets filled first.
Crown him at being head coach if one pleases- got no problems with that. But burn him at the stake for his coordinating. It's been agonizing to watch.
roy_miami
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I find it hard to believe the people on the outside are looking at this with amazement. Nobody cares about such a boring team first of all, I doubt they even know half the guys out injured that we're crying about were even on the team. 'What do I think about the Dolphins? Boring 5-4 team. WHAT!?!? Josh Sitton is out, that changes everything!!'
Think about it, when have you ever excused another team being bad due to injuries? I've felt bad for Rivers the past 3 or 4 season as they've just been devastated year after year but I never thought twice about how its affecting the head coach. The Eagles winning the SB with a depleted roster, that is noteworthy. Treading water while missing the great Ryan Tannehill, thats not a footnote in history.
Second of all I remember fans being worried about signing all of these older vets and relying on players at key positions coming back from bad injuries after missing significant times. Yes it would have been great if these players held up, but there is a reason we got them off the discount pile.
Think about it, when have you ever excused another team being bad due to injuries? I've felt bad for Rivers the past 3 or 4 season as they've just been devastated year after year but I never thought twice about how its affecting the head coach. The Eagles winning the SB with a depleted roster, that is noteworthy. Treading water while missing the great Ryan Tannehill, thats not a footnote in history.
Second of all I remember fans being worried about signing all of these older vets and relying on players at key positions coming back from bad injuries after missing significant times. Yes it would have been great if these players held up, but there is a reason we got them off the discount pile.
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5-4 with this ragtag group of ragamuffins is borderline miraculous. The stench on the team surely doesn’t give off a 5-4 feeling, much more like 2-7 or 3-5 if you’re being charitable due to playing patsies like the hapless Jets twice and Oakland. I doubt they stay above .500 but if they do, that will be an even more eye popping achievement for the coach.
I don’t doubt he’s had some level of OJT, which is unfortunate, but hopefully he (and the organization) will be better for it.
If I were him, I’d make it a priority to act more like a head coach and both (a) get involved with all units of the team, including defense, and in doing so (b) delegate offensive play calling to a legit coordinator. BB does that, Shula did, etc. He also needs a new defensive coordinator and a different defensive scheme. If he’s sitting there calling plays, looking at pictures, trying to solve in-game offensive issues, it takes away from running the entire team as a head coach should.
The dilemma is getting us out of sheer irrelevance. It’s going to take one of the top qb’s in 2020 and this organization has shown no big picture thinking to figure out how to get it done.
I don’t doubt he’s had some level of OJT, which is unfortunate, but hopefully he (and the organization) will be better for it.
If I were him, I’d make it a priority to act more like a head coach and both (a) get involved with all units of the team, including defense, and in doing so (b) delegate offensive play calling to a legit coordinator. BB does that, Shula did, etc. He also needs a new defensive coordinator and a different defensive scheme. If he’s sitting there calling plays, looking at pictures, trying to solve in-game offensive issues, it takes away from running the entire team as a head coach should.
The dilemma is getting us out of sheer irrelevance. It’s going to take one of the top qb’s in 2020 and this organization has shown no big picture thinking to figure out how to get it done.
Rowdy1972
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The people that have the most skin in the game.........professional sports bettors definitely care about injuries and handicap games accordingly.
Pretty damn hard to just dismiss them actually even just being a fan unless you got an agenda.
*Demi*God*
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Actually the running game and defense won that game against the Pats....CJ Anderson won it with a 40+ yard td run in OT....had another td in regulation as did Ronnie Hillman...Brock ended with 1 td 1 int a rating of 72...so let's not sugar coat things...Brock has done an admirable job this year...and also folks remember a lot of professionals thought we would win between 1-4 games...we already are better than the predictions...now with a 5-4 record and with 2 starting OL on IR...our most explosive offensive weapon Wilson on IR a depleted DL due to injury we are in the playoff hunt...yet there are so many people on this board complaining about Gase and how he uses Gore and Drake...about his play calling...but again some how we have win more games than we have lost
If we have a winning record he should probably win it. The little weirdo
*Demi*God*
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I mean we forget that Marriota played 3 quarters of that game though or what?
*Demi*God*
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The only major injury the eagles had last year was to Carson Wentz...that roster was in no way depleted...Sitton up until this year played 6 full season out of 10...
Not really. I bet sports for 24 years in Las Vegas. Injuries weren't in the top 5 in terms of football handicapping variables that I used or that anyone used, not unless it was a pivotal quarterback or bunched injuries all of a sudden.
These Dolphin injuries are not bunched injuries. Nobody cares. The oddsmakers and bettors certainly don't care. The Miami power rating was shifted a few points due to Tannehill but not due to anything else.
Now, if we're talking college basketball...then yes, injuries can be a huge talking point and line mover. When a college basketball number moves 2-3 points late then it can be a special player who is suddenly ruled out, and especially if that is a mid major type team that doesn't have the depth to overcome him with numbers
Anyway, if people realized how little thought process and emphasis went into something like this Coach of the Year market, nobody would care and this thread wouldn't exist. First of all, I don't see any connection to Las Vegas. It looks like some betting website maybe connected to Bovada, which does specialize in this type of market, for low limits because they realize nobody else carries it and they can pick off any related publicity and a few dollars.
They'll tell some employee to slap something together, and make sure to use heavy juice. That is...make it a rip off no matter who the bettors take. You could probably double every number and still have the best of it as the oddsmaker.
Then the guy who is told to put this together quickly looks at the preseason projections, and any team that is well above the win estimate must have a coach who is doing a great job, so those coaches top the list. Remarkably complicated and sophisticated, as you can see. The guy might not know anything about Adam Gase other than his name, and I can all but guarantee he doesn't know or care about Dolphins injuries, but once he sees that a 5-4 team was projected to win 6.5 games, okay let's put him relatively high on the list. There literally might not be 30 seconds communication between two employees before this market goes on the board.
"Have you finished it?"
"Yeah, here it is."
"Thanks"
Conventional wisdom posters on a forum called CanesInsight can't stand me because they want to believe that process is actually hour after hour and day after day of back room analysis covering every possible angle and with numerical sophistication galore. They refuse to believe any other version. I think I'll go over there and laugh at them again tomorrow. This site is exponentially sharper.
When I lived full time in Las Vegas the markets like Heisman Trophy and Coach of the Year were not available. Not legal by the Nevada Gaming Board. Tourists were shocked by that. You could only wager on results decided on the field of play. That has been softened recently but it is still not a feature of the sportsbooks. Most of them are still run by guys who entered the business under the old rules so that's what they prioritize and remain loyal to. This kind of stuff is mostly offshore and online.
BTW, on return from Boston recently I went through Delaware and stopped at Dover Downs. I wanted to see an actual sportsbook, outside Nevada and courtesy of the recent Supreme Court ruling.
It was virtually identical. In fact, if blindfolded I never would have known I wasn't in Nevada. The board was the same. Betting sheets the same. Size of the room the same. Everything.
I was somewhat surprised at the lack of attendance. We were always told in Las Vegas that if you ever legalized this elsewhere there would be a stampede.
I guess that was adjuster stuff.