Agree/ disagree

[dolphinheel]

First, many are trying to blame this season on our front office and I don’t agree. We lose RT and our new MLB McMillan before the season and most would agree that those are the two most import positions on the field. I have no doubt we make the playoffs easily with those two players healthy. So we used fill ins at those spots and they produced inconsistency and a losing record.

As far as the draft goes, the young players on our D line like Malveaux, Godchaux and C Harris really produced this year, J Davis is a oline starter who really showed out, X Howard really emerged and Tankersley showed some bright spots. Grant showed he can be a playmaker in this league and Drake is going to be a bigtime player for us. Ajayi also panned out even with his issues, so I’m not agreeing that we haven’t drafted well. All of these players are 1st and 2nd yr guys that we drafted.

In FA we locked down our future FS and future OLB Stephon Anthony and Timmons was serviceable this year. IMO he should have stayed at MLB instead of that lousy Kiko Alonzo.

So all in all the FO has really produced with the draft and did ok in FA. Now we need to draft our future QB, bkup RB, another LB (or two) C, TE, OG and RT. I personally feel we need to grab one of the big QBs in round 1 or 2 and a bigtime LB in 1 or 2.

Lastly, the ine area the FO did fail was in staffing. Tthere needs to be some shakeup on the staff and IMHO is our biggest need. OC/ playcaller is a must and so is D coordinator. Also think we need a new Oline coach.

If we do these things and stay healthy I think we are a playoff team next year.

Thoughts?

 

[royalshank]

Well for one thing we don’t know how good this Raekwon kid is - and he’ll be coming back from major knee surgery so it’s only logical to assume he’ll have lost some athleticism. Not a great way to start a career - it’s a shame. All I’m saying is I don’t think we should bank on a guy who’s technically going to be a rookie coming off a reconstructed knee. If he doesn’t pan out we’ll be tearing Gase and Co apart for having not seen it coming etc.

 

[NYC#1finsfan]

"Culture" is still a losing one around Davie. No real leaders, no real accountability. A bunch of paycheck collectors. A bunch of china dolls, soft players. Until that Old School Don Shula, JJ mentality enters the building we will still be losers when the spotlight shines brightest.

 

[dolphinheel]

"Culture" is still a losing one around Davie. No real leaders, no real accountability. A bunch of paycheck collectors. A bunch of china dolls, soft players. Until that Old School Don Shula, JJ mentality enters the building we will still be losers when the spotlight shines brightest.

Agree to some extent on McMillan but ACLs are not what they used to be. Haven’t heard anything negative about his recovery. You have to admit that RT is one tough SOB and his leadership this year would have pushed this team into the playoffs. I have no doubt he would have added 4-5 wins. I would agree on the leadership issue, but specifically with the the staff. Gase is a micromanager and that is not a good quality at all in a leader. Not a fan of Burke or of an OC who is a figurehead. Not sure what the hell he actuallly does. Obviously still need a legit Oline Coordinator.

 

[ANUFan]

Agree to some extent on McMillan but ACLs are not what they used to be. Haven’t heard anything negative about his recovery. You have to admit that RT is one tough SOB and his leadership this year would have pushed this team into the playoffs. I have no doubt he would have added 4-5 wins. I would agree on the leadership issue, but specifically with the the staff. Gase is a micromanager and that is not a good quality at all in a leader. Not a fan of Burke or of an OC who is a figurehead. Not sure what the hell he actuallly does. Obviously still need a legit Oline Coordinator.

Ultimately, I just hope this season has made fans appreciate Tannehill that much more. We got a chance to see a lot of Jay and Moore. We got a chance to see what they do well and what they don't do well.

IMO, it goes to show you how much little things, which are big things, matter in this league. All the pre-snap recognition and adjustments that the QB needs to do before the snap. Hell, all the things not to do with the ball and during the game to put your defense, special teams and overrall team in a really bad spot.

I'm not sure how much more games we would have won with Tannehill. But I'm pretty sure we would have had an improved all-around QB play. Who knows what that cascade effect would have looked like in the W-L column.

 

[phinfan33]

First, many are trying to blame this season on our front office and I don’t agree. We lose RT and our new MLB McMillan before the season and most would agree that those are the two most import positions on the field. I have no doubt we make the playoffs easily with those two players healthy. So we used fill ins at those spots and they produced inconsistency and a losing record.

As far as the draft goes, the young players on our D line like Malveaux, Godchaux and C Harris really produced this year, J Davis is a oline starter who really showed out, X Howard really emerged and Tankersley showed some bright spots. Grant showed he can be a playmaker in this league and Drake is going to be a bigtime player for us. Ajayi also panned out even with his issues, so I’m not agreeing that we haven’t drafted well. All of these players are 1st and 2nd yr guys that we drafted.

In FA we locked down our future FS and future OLB Stephon Anthony and Timmons was serviceable this year. IMO he should have stayed at MLB instead of that lousy Kiko Alonzo.

So all in all the FO has really produced with the draft and did ok in FA. Now we need to draft our future QB, bkup RB, another LB (or two) C, TE, OG and RT. I personally feel we need to grab one of the big QBs in round 1 or 2 and a bigtime LB in 1 or 2.

Lastly, the ine area the FO did fail was in staffing. Tthere needs to be some shakeup on the staff and IMHO is our biggest need. OC/ playcaller is a must and so is D coordinator. Also think we need a new Oline coach.

If we do these things and stay healthy I think we are a playoff team next year.

Thoughts?

In regards to shaking up the staff...if Clyde did leave or was let go, I can see Gase bringing in Mike McCoy to be the new OC. I'm ok with Burke for another year, the man is in his first year as a DC. Some people need time to grow into their new jobs before you know if you have something good or not. But our position coaches, at least our DL Coach, I feel needs to be changed. To me it seems like our DL as regressed under Terrell Williams tutelage. So if we get a chance to upgrade our DL Coaching position this offseason, I feel we should do it.

 

[dolphinheel]

In regards to shaking up the staff...if Clyde did leave or was let go, I can see Gase bringing in Mike McCoy to be the new OC. I'm ok with Burke for another year, the man is in his first year as a DC. Some people need time to grow into their new jobs before you know if you have something good or not. But our position coaches, at least our DL Coach, I feel needs to be changed. To me it seems like our DL as regressed under Terrell Williams tutelage. So if we get a chance to upgrade our DL Coaching position this offseason, I feel we should do it.

JMHO but our D line would look alot better if our LBs could cover and tackle

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

Good morning Brother. I think the offensive line started to turn around once Coach Foerster esigned. I would like to see what they can do in the future. Also I think it is time to move on from Pouncey and draft or sign another center to compete with Jake Brendel. Very good start of a thread.

 

[dolfan91]

I think the staff is ok, outside of Burke. But do agree McCoy would be an awesome get to work in tandem with Gase, if that’s what happens. The F/O in terms of scouting and Grier, I think are fine. But it’s Tannenbaum’s spending habits that I’ve been questioning. To be honest there is no way to know if he’s played a much bigger role in terms of draft selections. What we do know is, Jakeem Grant was his pick 2 years ago. Mike Tannenbaum is the reason most fans blame the F/O, I think we can all agree to that. As far as the players go, well it’s been great seeing the DT’s in Godchaux, Taylor and Philips making solid, if not spectacular contributions. At CB, Howard has improved in the 2nd half of the season. Tankersley has a lot of potential but needs more seasoning and experience. McCain’s improvement has been awesome to watch. At DE, Harris is still a work in progress, Wake has begun to decline, Branch has been underperforming. But the bright side his Malveaux has shown he is roster and rotation worthy, when he gets a chance to play. On the offense, Davis and Young have been quite the surprise, Drake is developing into what Gase was hoping for, Grant has begun to show some life, within the offense and if he takes another step in 2018, lookout. This team needs Linebacker’s, plain and simple and another DE to put the heat on the QB. Miami is not perfect, but there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[NYC#1finsfan]

You take on the personality of your head coach and so far negativity is all that I see from this team.

 

[miamiron]

Malveaux, Godchaux and C Harris really produced???
Godchaux played well for a 5th round pick
Malveaux had 3 tackles all season long...PLAYED WELL???
Harris has been a non factor all season long...Heck Dion Jordan
has the same(1 more sack) stats as Harris and he's played 395 snaps less

So NO they all didn't really produce
have we set the bar so low that a player with 3 tackles really produced?

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I feel like Ryan Tannehill would have been worth about two extra wins. So maybe with him healthy all year the team goes 8-8 or 9-7 depending on the finale vs. Buffalo.

I do like the young talent and the front office deserves credit there, but the team does have some gaping holes that have held it back. The front office, Adam Gase or both, deserve the blame for dumpster diving for guards. In a division loaded with talented defensive linemen, Miami's offensive line just couldn't match-up. Speed at linebacker is the other glaring weakness. This unit needs almost a total rebuild IMO and has basically been ignored for years.

The front office still needs to build from the foundation up and for some reason hasn't been able to accomplish that.

 

[Birdmond]

I’d agree with most of what you’ve stated and I’ll be the first to admit being more optimistic than most but the extension of Alonzo and Branch and the signing of Cutler and Thomas are difficult for me to forgive.

 

[tay0365]

First, many are trying to blame this season on our front office and I don’t agree. We lose RT and our new MLB McMillan before the season and most would agree that those are the two most import positions on the field. I have no doubt we make the playoffs easily with those two players healthy. So we used fill ins at those spots and they produced inconsistency and a losing record.

I agree here.

As far as the draft goes, the young players on our D line like Malveaux, Godchaux and C Harris really produced this year, J Davis is a oline starter who really showed out, X Howard really emerged and Tankersley showed some bright spots. Grant showed he can be a playmaker in this league and Drake is going to be a bigtime player for us. Ajayi also panned out even with his issues, so I’m not agreeing that we haven’t drafted well. All of these players are 1st and 2nd yr guys that we drafted.

Somewhat agreed, but they need to fix the O-line to actually be consistent, even if again at the moment they seem to be playing solid. They need to find starting talent on the O-line, or what happened this year, and years past will continue to happen...just fail to reach the playoffs again.

In FA we locked down our future FS and future OLB Stephon Anthony and Timmons was serviceable this year. IMO he should have stayed at MLB instead of that lousy Kiko Alonzo.

Actually Alonzo even with his shortcomings has still been the best LB in making plays, once McMillan come back, we will be alright, but considering Timmons is one game away from leaving Miami, and one game closer to again being a Steeler, the Front office will need to find another LB.

 

[hab321]

"Culture" is still a losing one around Davie. No real leaders, no real accountability. A bunch of paycheck collectors. A bunch of china dolls, soft players. Until that Old School Don Shula, JJ mentality enters the building we will still be losers when the spotlight shines brightest.

I agree. Until Miami quits being a place to retire and have fun in the sun, we'll be average at best. I think this off season will tell a lot about Adam Gase, the FO and team as a whole. If we cut players for non performance and promote players for contributing we will be improving. If we don't, then it will be more of the same......7-9, 8-8 and 9-7 and no playoffs.