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Alain Poupart destroys the Josh Allen and Tua development comparison

Many have made this point before. When you see rare physical gifts and tools, you can be patient. A player flashes upside, and you think what if he was able to fix this, he could become a monster. That's when you can give it 2-3 years.

However, when a player flashes none of that. What are you developing exactly? What are you being patient with? What's this upside if everything goes right and you have the perfect team around him?
 
So according to Paupart, Brees and his inconsistencies (Like Allen had) should have been shipped out to another team...Wait he was, how did that work out for the Chargers and the Saints?

Allen huge size or not, does not have the mental capacity to look over a field quickly, start giving him the type of pressure Tua is receiving, and he will become a RB, while going back to his old habits of throwing INTs when he forces passes.

Tua also has a huge ceiling, but his ceiling has more to do with making good decisions with the ball, and getting rid of it fast, rather then having huge size with good mechanics.
 
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So it’s just that one little paragraph where he goes into no detail really?

Let me sum it up for everyone.
Josh Allen is big, strong and fast. Tua isn’t.

Therefore Tua cannot progress as a player (wasn’t said in the article but you know that’s what people want to hear)
 
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Travis34 said:
So it’s just that one little paragraph where he goes into no detail really?

Let me some it up for everyone.
Josh Allen is big, strong and fast. Tua isn’t.

Therefore Tua cannot progress as a player (wasn’t said in the article but you know that’s what people want to hear)
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Ppl are going to read into it whatever way fits their agenda.

I wouldn't go as far as OP, saying ppl are ignorant (he read what he wanted to read too).

I'll just comment on what was actually said. Poopart is a clown, but he wasn't wrong in what he actually said.
 
Mach2 said:
Ppl are going to read into it whatever way fits their agenda.

I wouldn't go as far as OP, saying ppl are ignorant (he read what he wanted to read too).

I'll just comment on what was actually said. Poopart is a clown, but he wasn't wrong in what he actually said.
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I agree. But to write off any player so soon is premature (not that A.P.) is but also, it’s funny when people discount how bad Allen’s accuracy was- as if it was no issue but he is big fast and throws a mile so it’s okay
 
The size thing is so ignorant I don't know where to begin. Tua 6'1 216, Watson 6'2 216.

There are tons of big armed quarterbacks who don't amount to much, and lot's of smaller guys who kill it. The argument that one guy is good because he is big and the other guy won't be as good because he isn't big is more than lazy. It is ignorant and asinine.

Allen was exposed. What you saw against Jax is what he would look like behind this line, every week. Allen needs wide open windows to throw the ball because he is not a pin-point passer. You take away that comfort--as you saw against Jacksonville--and he struggled.

Poupairt should go get Danny McGwire and Ryan Leaf. I will go get Steve Young and Drew Brees and kick his ass.
 
Travis34 said:
So it’s just that one little paragraph where he goes into no detail really?

Let me some it up for everyone.
Josh Allen is big, strong and fast. Tua isn’t.

Therefore Tua cannot progress as a player (wasn’t said in the article but you know that’s what people want to hear)
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Ppl are going to read into it whatever way fits their agenda.

I wouldn't go as far as OP, saying ppl are ignorant (he read what he wanted to read too).

I'll just comment on what was actually said. Poopart is a clown, but he wasn't wrong in what he actually said.
 
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Travis34 said:
I agree. But to write off any player so soon is premature (not that A.P.) is but also, it’s funny when people discount how bad Allen’s accuracy was- as if it was no issue but he is big fast and throws a mile so it’s okay
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I think the point is (at least it is my point in these discussions), the players are so different that they are not comparable beyond the superficial.

The reasons an organization might stay with Allen are very different than the reasons an organization might choose to stay with Tua.

If an evaluator has a core belief that big and strong are of prime importance, there is no grounds for any comparison.

In my mind, Tua's physical shortcomings, relative to the prototype, are a negative right off the bat.

That's not to say he can never be "elite", just that he has things to overcome that others may not.

To argue that big and strong is meaningless is just as foolish as saying they are everything.
 
This argument goes round and round because it really has not resolved itself. The last three games have been his best games when you factor in the competition. None of those games show he is definitely your guy. There are red flags: slow learning the play book, situational awareness, and lack of leadership. There are strong point: accuracy, navigating the pocket, and improving performances. We just do not know enough. The next 8 games will give us an answer. Maybe not a 100% accurate answer, but an answer where a decision may be made. Tua will have a chance to make his case.
 
The point of the comparison is 100% valid. The QB position takes most guys some time to acclimate. If Allen has turned into a solid quarterback, he wasn’t any better than Tua at the same stage. It is independent of the size of the quarterback, kids.

Tua his first year was coming off a major injury, and didn’t have offseason camps etc to get up to speed with the playbook.
 
Austin Tatious said:
The point of the comparison is 100% valid. The QB position takes most guys some time to acclimate. If Allen has turned into a solid quarterback, he wasn’t any better than Tua at the same stage. It is independent of the size of the quarterback, kids.

Tua his first year was coming off a major injury, and didn’t have offseason camps etc to get up to speed with the playbook.
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Kids?......lol

OK gramps.....
 
Travis34 said:
I agree. But to write off any player so soon is premature (not that A.P.) is but also, it’s funny when people discount how bad Allen’s accuracy was- as if it was no issue but he is big fast and throws a mile so it’s okay
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Everybody knew Allen had accuracy issues; that's why he was a boom or bust pick and not a blue chip can't miss type prospect.
 
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