Allen weakened his stance with Fins

[CpuFan]

It is my opinion that Allen weakened his holdout stance with the fins by signing a deal for his new house.

I think that the fins saw this and said to themselves, he has to sign sooner than later so lets stay strong and they will fold for the six years.

See look at Saban's comments yesterday about this situation.

Saban said some of the "value" of having the No. 16 overall pick was the ability to sign that player to a six-year contract. The new collective bargaining agreement hammered out by the NFL and its players' union in March allows teams drafting with picks No. 1 through 16 to tender a maximum six-year contract, while deals for picks 17 through 32 are capped at five years.

"There's not a whole lot in this [CBA] advantageous to the clubs," said Saban, whose team had a three-week holdout last preseason by 2005 first-round pick Ronnie Brown. "Six-year contracts ... That's one the club has. What happened before [the No. 16 pick] or what some other club chooses to do, philosophically that's not necessarily what we want to do."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...ug01,0,3786588.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

 

[Joey 22]

It is my opinion that Allen weakened his holdout stance with the fins by signing a deal for his new house.

I think that the fins saw this and said to themselves, he has to sign sooner than later so lets stay strong and they will fold for the six years.

See look at Saban's comments yesterday about this situation.

Saban said some of the "value" of having the No. 16 overall pick was the ability to sign that player to a six-year contract. The new collective bargaining agreement hammered out by the NFL and its players' union in March allows teams drafting with picks No. 1 through 16 to tender a maximum six-year contract, while deals for picks 17 through 32 are capped at five years.

"There's not a whole lot in this [CBA] advantageous to the clubs," said Saban, whose team had a three-week holdout last preseason by 2005 first-round pick Ronnie Brown. "Six-year contracts ... That's one the club has. What happened before [the No. 16 pick] or what some other club chooses to do, philosophically that's not necessarily what we want to do."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphins01xaug01,0,3786588.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

He doesnt give a crap about Linehan and Hill agreeing to 5...

 

[Bill C]

They didn't "want" to pay Ronnie the $22M guaranteed last year either - but they did - and he we still had the hold out. Bottom line is that what happens with the picks immediately in before and after our pick have a direct impact ont he deal our pick will get.

Allen is going to hold out for 5 as that's what the others received. The Dolphins will play the game, there will be a long hold out and he will get 5 anyway. Just give him the 5 and get him into camp. Otherwise, we need the 6 becuase his rookie season will be a washout anyway.

 

[Muck]

They didn't "want" to pay Ronnie the $22M guaranteed last year either - but they did - and he we still had the hold out. Bottom line is that what happens with the picks immediately in before and after our pick have a direct impact ont he deal our pick will get.

Allen is going to hold out for 5 as that's what the others received. The Dolphins will play the game, there will be a long hold out and he will get 5 anyway. Just give him the 5 and get him into camp. Otherwise, we need the 6 becuase his rookie season will be a washout anyway.

Ronnie wanted $22 million and the Dolphins were offering $19 million. The Phins upped it to $19.5 million after two weeks. Six days later, Ronnie signed for $19.5 million.

Still, I don't see why the team doesn't give Allen five with an option for six. If it's anything like last year, the Phins won't budge for another 1.5 weeks, then give the option sixth year.

 

[Joey 22]

Ronnie wanted $22 million and the Dolphins were offering $19 million. The Phins upped it to $19.5 million after two weeks. Six days later, Ronnie signed for $19.5 million.

Still, I don't see why the team doesn't give Allen five with an option for six. If it's anything like last year, the Phins won't budge for another 1.5 weeks, then give the option sixth year.

The problem is that the option is for the player not the team, if he sucks, cutting him after 5 years would cost us cap wise, but if he is good he can leave after 5 and we can do nothing but resign him or Tag him...

Thats why option years are useless, option deals tilted towards the team is worse than a raw 6 year deal, cause then the team can cut him after 5 with no cap hit if he sucks...

 

[jason8er]

It is my opinion that Allen weakened his holdout stance with the fins by signing a deal for his new house.

I think that the fins saw this and said to themselves, he has to sign sooner than later so lets stay strong and they will fold for the six years.

See look at Saban's comments yesterday about this situation.

Saban said some of the "value" of having the No. 16 overall pick was the ability to sign that player to a six-year contract. The new collective bargaining agreement hammered out by the NFL and its players' union in March allows teams drafting with picks No. 1 through 16 to tender a maximum six-year contract, while deals for picks 17 through 32 are capped at five years.

"There's not a whole lot in this [CBA] advantageous to the clubs," said Saban, whose team had a three-week holdout last preseason by 2005 first-round pick Ronnie Brown. "Six-year contracts ... That's one the club has. What happened before [the No. 16 pick] or what some other club chooses to do, philosophically that's not necessarily what we want to do."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphins01xaug01,0,3786588.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Do you really think the dolphins are thinking they will make him sweat till his first mortgage payment is due?

 

[Joey 22]

Do you really think the dolphins are thinking they will make him sweat till his first mortgage payment is due?

It was a check, I dont recall reading anything that said he had any mortgage payments, he is surely waiting for the signing bonus to pay that check in cash...Probably it was his agent who loaned him the money, and the agent might be waiting for his money back ASAP and in one single payment, not monthly, like a mortgage suggests...

 

[jason8er]

It was a check, I dont recall reading anything that said he had any mortgage payments, he is surely waiting for the signing bonus to pay that check in cash...Probably it was his agent who loaned him the money, and the agent might be waiting for his money back ASAP and in one single payment, not monthly, like a mortgage suggests...

Exactly what I thought from the get-go. Either way, there is no way this has any bearing on his contract.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Well, I side with Miami in these negotiations but part of me doesn't understand why either side is so unflexible...we all know that Allen will never see the 5th or 6th year of this contract.

Either he'll be great and want to re-negotiate with Miami or he won't live up to expectations and won't be around in 5 or 6 years.

I'm sure Saban feels that Allen will be special and be a bargain towards the end of the deal but he'll never reach those years on this deal, IMO.

 

[Miamifin23]

No, The Fins need to quit being stupid and just sign him for a 5 year contract. There are quite a few in the top 16 that were signing for 5 years. Your not alone Miami, so get him in camp.

 

[Phantom]

Nice to see Allen is off buying a mansion while his teamates are sweating their arses off preparing for the season.........

 

[Superself]

It was a check, I dont recall reading anything that said he had any mortgage payments, he is surely waiting for the signing bonus to pay that check in cash...Probably it was his agent who loaned him the money, and the agent might be waiting for his money back ASAP and in one single payment, not monthly, like a mortgage suggests...

Damn, lots of speculating goin on here.
Who knows for sure that Allen didn't already have the money?? Is that impossible to believe?
Maybe he got a bank or some NFL players to back him with a loan?

There are numerous options open to him...outside of being under the thumb of his agent who is demanding immediate payback. :shakeno:

 

[ckparrothead]

Allen didn't weaken anything. His position was already inherently weak. That's the way the system is set up. Rookies are drafted and at the mercy of the team that drafted them.

The Dolphins have at their disposal the fact that no other team can even look at him. That's powerful. If Jason Allen wants to make ANY money, it will have to be through the phins.

All Jason Allen has at his disposal is not being there, the threat that he re-enters the next draft, and the threat that he just signs the one year tender that he was guaranteed by the NFL when he got drafted. None of these tools are powerful weapons because they're pyrrhic in nature: holding out the full year and re-entering would give him a bad rep and hurt his draft standing, signing a series of one year tenders exposes him to maximum injury risks (not to mention less money), and holding out any length of training camp time hurts his chances of playing well sooner.

The best of those weapons is the holdout, because the team may have selected him thinking he'd play safety as a rookie while a 6 year deal for him would ensure that he has about 4 more years after this one to show himself to be a pro bowl player.

Right now, the precedents have been set for a 5 year deal. Allen has a strengthened bargaining position. But that doesn't mean he's getting the 5 year deal...it just means he has a strong enough position to continue holding out despite the eventuality that if the team waits through the holdout, he's signing for 6 years. This is his best option, seeing if the team will flinch at the prospect of a protracted holdout (especially given Huizenga's message) and give in to the 5 year deal.

Personally, I think they should.

 

[PhinstiGator]

Sounds more like Saban is the one chipping away at Allens position. For Saban to come out and say that it doesn't matter what other players or clubs are doing...makes a strong statement about his resolve.

Saban shook off the owners decree to make the deadline. He said no thanks to the president of the United States. And now he is saying no to five year deal for a rookie safety.

I for one, applaud Sabans resolve. The CBA permits a 6 year deal and that deal is what is best for the team...and that's what Saban is demanding.

If I was Allen, I would re-think my position.

 

[ckparrothead]

Sounds more like Saban is the one chipping away at Allens position. For Saban to come out and say that it doesn't matter what other players or clubs are doing...makes a strong statement about his resolve.

Saban shook off the owners decree to make the deadline. He said no thanks to the president of the United States. And now he is saying no to five year deal for a rookie safety.

I for one, applaud Sabans resolve. The CBA permits a 6 year deal and that deal is what is best for the team...and that's what Saban is demanding.

If I was Allen, I would re-think my position.

Actions have consequences. The team's resolve to do a six year deal even though the market has clearly been set at five years, will result in a very long Ronnie Brown-type holdout. And, similarly, Jason Allen's acclimation to the defense will suffer accordingly, and he may not start in 2005.

And the Dolphins will be worse off for it...because the best team that this team can be is one where Jason Allen knows the D and is in the secondary making plays.

If I were Saban, I would re-think my position.