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An objective article on Tua and Herbert, from a Herbert 1st supporter

The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

Is that what's going on here?

Burrow has gone to a worse situation than here and he has found a way to get his team a win.
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

Is that what's going on here?

Burrow has gone to a worse situation than here and he has found a way to get his team a win.
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Burrow was my favorite player in that draft but once we got fitz I knew we'd win enough games to mess that up
 
Herbert was in an awful situation last year. He had the worst graded o-line in the league, not Tua or Daniel Jones. Anthony Lynn made Flores look like Don Shula, just a comically inept coach who people, including Chargers' ownership, kept giving the benefit of the doubt to because he finished 12-4 one year.

His skill position players like Ekelar and Keenan Allen battled injuries, yet his talent was evident from the beginning. He might not be as successful here, but the functioning parts of the offense would have been more dynamic with Herbert, they were more dynamic with Fitzpatrick.

Tua gets flack not just because he's struggled, but because the transcendent upside isn't there. Fans are more patient with guys with tools. Not so much with undersized, injury prone, unathletic, mediocre-armed prospects with questionable processing. Need only look at Josh Allen's struggles, Bills Mafia wasn't nearly as forgiving of JP Losman, he didn't have the upside.
 
I see that some are way too critical of Tua, and I see that some are way too protective of Tua. It’s fascinating that he is so polarizing. I guess he will stay that way until some of the other variables clear up?
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

Is that what's going on here?

Burrow has gone to a worse situation than here and he has found a way to get his team a win.
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I wouldn't hop too quickly on the 'he found a way to get his team to win'. He is still 5-8-1 in his career and the 3-1 record this year is against teams 4-12. Tua is 7-4 as a starter. I certainly don't put that much credence in a quarterback's 'winning percentage', but factually Burrow hasn't lit the world on fire in terms of record and Tua's record as a starter is pretty good.
 
Alex Trevelyan said:
Tua gets flack not just because he's struggled, but because the transcendent upside isn't there. Fans are more patient with guys with tools. Not so much with undersized, injury prone, unathletic, mediocre-armed prospects with questionable processing. Need only look at Josh Allen's struggles, Bills Mafia wasn't nearly as forgiving of JP Losman, he didn't have the upside.
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I think it's more than that, though. Ryan Tannehill wasn't undersize, injury-prone, or unathletic yet the Miami fan base was mostly very unforgiving. We'd probably be more forgiving if we had a more recent better run.
 
Brumdog45 said:
I wouldn't hop too quickly on the 'he found a way to get his team to win'. He is still 5-8-1 in his career and the 3-1 record this year is against teams 4-12. Tua is 7-4 as a starter. I certainly don't put that much credence in a quarterback's 'winning percentage', but factually Burrow hasn't lit the world on fire in terms of record and Tua's record as a starter is pretty good.
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I'm a Tua fan, but if he had Joe Burrow's passing efficiency numbers, there wouldn't be any debate about him whatsoever. He'd be the guy.
 
Objectively speaking if you polled footballs fans and coaches around the country.

The only people who would think Tua was a better pick than Herbert would be Dolphins fans and Bama fans, everyone else would choose Herbert.

Then we threw away the Austin Jackson and Noah I picks just to make sure that the entire 2020 draft was a complete waste.
 
Brumdog45 said:
I wouldn't hop too quickly on the 'he found a way to get his team to win'. He is still 5-8-1 in his career and the 3-1 record this year is against teams 4-12. Tua is 7-4 as a starter. I certainly don't put that much credence in a quarterback's 'winning percentage', but factually Burrow hasn't lit the world on fire in terms of record and Tua's record as a starter is pretty good.
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Replying to that guy is a waste of energy. He is dense
 
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