Another Perspective: Beck Vs. Another Consensus #1 QB Pick

[Vaark]

I'm wondering if the Ryan Myopics would be calling for this guy's head too based on his less than impressive 1st year... or does the fact that his team's sunk $61MM as an investment or mis-investment become either a mitigating factor to bear with him into his second year....OR an even more persuasive argument in favor of Beck as a promising and relatively inexpensive investment???

Russell vs. Beck
Games: 4/5
Completion: 54.5%/56.1%
Yds: 373/559
TD: 2/1
TD total: 2/2
INT: 4/3
Fumbles 4/7
Sacked : 6 /10
QB Rating: 55.9/62.0

Oakland:
Record: 4-12
Rush Rank 6 (2086total)
Top 2 Receivers: 1422 yds

Miami

Record: 1-15
Rush Rank: 23 (1570)
Top 2 Receivers: 976yds

I think these stats are accurate, but I collated them on the fly while actually working (gasp) so please correct me if I'm off-base. Obviously I've included their relative rushing and receiver info as a comparison of the relative support each first year QB received. You'd think Russell would be a heck of a lot better and a more nimble rusher too, wouldn't you?

 

[TurkishFin99]

Nice post.

Yea, let's spend millions of dollars on Matt Ryan and have him end up being a bust. Based on the criteria that everyone is judging Beck by, Ryan should only get 4+ games to prove himself. Oh yea, but we have to make sure that he takes reps with the scout team all year long before we throw him in. Then, when he fails miserably, we should draft another QB next year with our first overall, and keep this revolving door at QB going for a little while longer...

What do you guys think about that idea?....

 

[Phishpunk@WCU]

Both of you guys hit the nail on the head. It is too short of time to judge Beck.

 

[JsBaugh]

Dont forget that Russell showed flashes of being a great NFL QB :rolleyes2:
Im sure weighting 300lbs is going to help even more.

 

[phinzfan21]

If we had the chance to draft Russell this year, I wouldn't do it either. I thought he was a bit overhyped too.
Raiders should have drafted Calvin.

Other than the fumbles, a lot of what we saw from Beck last year impressed me. He had a quick release and was pretty darn accurate. A little more time to throw, and receivers without the dropsies, could make for a great year.

hmmm...not to mention better play calling, our running game back, and not always playing from behind in obvious passing mode.

 

[finboss]

Very nice, Vaark. I think you are quite right, buddy. I believe we will be in much better shape at QB than many of us think.

 

[Phineas64]

I'm wondering if the Ryan Myopics would be calling for this guy's head too based on his less than impressive 1st year... or does the fact that his team's sunk $61MM as an investment or mis-investment become either a mitigating factor to bear with him into his second year....OR an even more persuasive argument in favor of Beck as a promising and relatively inexpensive investment???

Russell vs. Beck
Games: 4/5
Completion: 54.5%/56.1%
Yds: 373/559
TD: 2/1
TD total: 2/2
INT: 4/3
Fumbles 4/7
Sacked : 6 /10
QB Rating: 55.9/62.0

Oakland:
Record: 4-12
Rush Rank 6 (2086total)
Top 2 Receivers: 1422 yds

Miami

Record: 1-15
Rush Rank: 23 (1570)
Top 2 Receivers: 976yds

I think these stats are accurate, but I collated them on the fly while actually working (gasp) so please correct me if I'm off-base. Obviously I've included their relative rushing and receiver info as a comparison of the relative support each first year QB received. You'd think Russell would be a heck of a lot better and a more nimble rusher too, wouldn't you?

:goodpost: :thanks:

 

[Vaark]

Very nice, Vaark. I think you are quite right, buddy. I believe we will be in much better shape at QB than many of us think.

Thank you.. I agree. I'd venture to say in about 2 years we'll be as pleased with Beck as NO is with Brees... and probably happier with him than Oakland is with Tubby.

 

[AZStryker]

Where do you guys get this four games garbage? He wasn't very good in preseason either. Like the scamble for a TD against the Chiefs that shouldn't have been, the lucky pass to PK Sam for a TD, the 2 fumbles and god awful sacks he took in the Saints game, etc..... Did you forget about those??? So at least say that he's judged on 8 games and not the misleading 4 games.

Just so you know, it's not just his on field woes that have people doubting him. Let me spell it out for you:

1. He is Cam/Mueller's guy. What decision did they get right??? Please don't say they're QB gurus either becasue they traded for Green and kept Lemon as a back up. QB gurus don't collect garbage like that.

2. His interviews. He was trying to say team player cliches but just came off as not wanting to be on the field. He made comments about wanting to sit back and learn this year. Any player worth his salt want to be the guy right now. Who says I want to wait, I'm not ready???

3. His age: He is simply too old to start a career this far behind. He has a LOT to work on: Footwork, delivery, pre snap reads, hot routes, and ball delivery to name a few. By the time he catches up, his body will be ready to start the decline.

Oh and for honorable mention: Every single analyst, including the very small handful that are quoted as liking Beck highly criticized us for passing on Quinn. So they like him, just not as much as the guy we passed on. He's a consolation prize to them.

That's why people who know football are doubting Beck. Not just because of his brief, and so far, abysmal career.

 

[Ross]

So let me get this straight. He's no good because at 27 he's too old. And because he doesn't jump up and down like an idiot thumping his own chest instead of being humble.

Yeah that sounds like the experts I want to listen too...

 

[Danny]

The 2 guys I liked coming out last year were Quinn and Beck....I'm glad we got Beck.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[Vaark]

Where do you guys get this four games garbage? He wasn't very good in preseason either. Like the scamble for a TD against the Chiefs that shouldn't have been, the lucky pass to PK Sam for a TD, the 2 fumbles and god awful sacks he took in the Saints game, etc..... Did you forget about those??? So at least say that he's judged on 8 games and not the misleading 4 games.

Just so you know, it's not just his on field woes that have people doubting him. Let me spell it out for you:

1. He is Cam/Mueller's guy. What decision did they get right??? Please don't say they're QB gurus either becasue they traded for Green and kept Lemon as a back up. QB gurus don't collect garbage like that.

2. His interviews. He was trying to say team player cliches but just came off as not wanting to be on the field. He made comments about wanting to sit back and learn this year. Any player worth his salt want to be the guy right now. Who says I want to wait, I'm not ready???

3. His age: He is simply too old to start a career this far behind. He has a LOT to work on: Footwork, delivery, pre snap reads, hot routes, and ball delivery to name a few. By the time he catches up, his body will be ready to start the decline.

Oh and for honorable mention: Every single analyst, including the very small handful that are quoted as liking Beck highly criticized us for passing on Quinn. So they like him, just not as much as the guy we passed on. He's a consolation prize to them. That's why people who know football are doubting Beck. Not just because of his brief, and so far, abysmal career.

Quick, let Sean Payton and Norv know to get rid of Brees and Rivers since they're Cam's guys. I'm sure they'll appreciate your warning. Personally I'd rather have a team player have the confidence in himself to tell me he's not ready then to throw him to the wolves to the team's detriment. Too old? Tell that to Roger Staubach and to any of the elite QBs who're approaching 28-29 and still have a good 6 years or so of top level competition in them.

Since Russell underperformed Beck this year, better also tell Al that he just crapped away $61Mil!!

 

[dlockz]

I'm wondering if the Ryan Myopics would be calling for this guy's head too based on his less than impressive 1st year... or does the fact that his team's sunk $61MM as an investment or mis-investment become either a mitigating factor to bear with him into his second year....OR an even more persuasive argument in favor of Beck as a promising and relatively inexpensive investment???

Russell vs. Beck
Games: 4/5
Completion: 54.5%/56.1%
Yds: 373/559
TD: 2/1
TD total: 2/2
INT: 4/3
Fumbles 4/7
Sacked : 6 /10
QB Rating: 55.9/62.0

Oakland:
Record: 4-12
Rush Rank 6 (2086total)
Top 2 Receivers: 1422 yds

Miami

Record: 1-15
Rush Rank: 23 (1570)
Top 2 Receivers: 976yds

I think these stats are accurate, but I collated them on the fly while actually working (gasp) so please correct me if I'm off-base. Obviously I've included their relative rushing and receiver info as a comparison of the relative support each first year QB received. You'd think Russell would be a heck of a lot better and a more nimble rusher too, wouldn't you?

So after one season we can make this judgement although I like QUINN better than either player.

 

[tlb05f]

Exactly the post some of us needed to see. With all of this talk about players "stock" rising and falling, expect to see a great rise in Cameron's as a coach. I really think Ginn and Beck are gonna have impressive numbers that will give Cam some credit (eventhough im glad he is gone and we have Parcells and Company). Beck needs to play and drafting Matt Ryan would be a huge mistake. While I do believe he may have himself a better QB career than Beck will, it is not worth the 1st round pick expense. I would take John Beck + Chris Long (or even Jake Long,Ghoulston, or potential trade offers) over Matt Ryan alone in a heartbeat. If we do get Matt Ryan, then I don't think John Beck is worth holding on to because there is no way we should spend a #1 overall draftpick on a QB and still hold on to Beck as backup, especially when he was the 4th overall QB drafted and we have McCown now. If we should decide to trade him, i can guarentee you we will get less than he is worth and that loss (with other things accommodated for) is not worth Matt Ryan either. In conclusion, Matt Ryan is not the answer, and even if he is, we will not know until Beck has more starts and by that time it will be irrelevant because he would be on some other team.

P.S. This whole argument was based on the premises that Matt Ryan will NOT be a "bust" and his overall performance will be at least slightly better than Beck's. If you decide to factor in the risk of him being a bust or atleast not matching a #1 overall pick, in a draft that has a lot of depth in talent, than my point should be more supportive. In otherwords, LONG LIVE BECK

 

[dlockz]

Okay so we should have drafted Edwards because he was even cheaper and did better than both.