Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by darefugee, Feb 5, 2018.
I think his point is foles will always have an argument. If You never win.. well your Bledsoe?
These arguments suck. I just want to be good,consistently good. I don’t care if it’s tannehill, foles, mayfield, or someone else. I’m tired of unanswered potential and hope. It’s put or shut up for everyone. Tannebaum,Gase,tannehill need to show it now or get the hell out.
Lol dude, you do know that it can be both, right? Like, you can comprehend this right? That both the Dolphins quarterback play AND the talent surrounding it, along with the defense, coaching etc all can be mediocre right?
When I'm critical of Tannehill, I've never absolved any other unit that was underperforming. I just want us to stop pretending as if he isn't a part of why the Dolphins consistently finish in the bottom half of offense year after year.
And that's 1 more than Ryan Tannehill, unfortunately for us.
Number of anything that RT has done? Anything. I mean anything.
He has that consecutive passes record...and he’s um hmmm he lead the dolphins to an 8-5 record....he umm was “dropping dimes” in the rain vs the Cardinals....and oh yeah he supposedly pissed blood one time.
Anything? Only 4 players have more yards through their first 5 years, Ryan, Luck, Marino, and Manning. Only 13 players have thrown more TD's through their first 5 years, ahead of Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Flacco. His wife.
WHO CARES what he thought about Foles last week, last year or when Foles was in college. Sports - like many businesses is a "what have you done for me lately" Foles now has some shining moments in the NFL. A 7td game a 27td 2int season and now Super Bowl win and MVP. Tannehills claim to fame on this board is he had a "breakout" 19 td 12 int 13 game season. Gimme a break you guys sound a little delusional over Tannehill. We've all seen him play - the whole world has many times. He's an average qb IMO. I hope he proves me wrong this year because we are stuck with him starting this season. I certainly don't see us as much better than a 7 win team with him
Got it 2013: Great fluke season that he's never managed to come close to replicating, 2014:sucks, 2015:sucks, 2016:backup, 2017: Superbowl MVP=great QB.
Really? He maneuvered in the pocket well enough to buy time and make good decisions with the ball.
You are right, they could both be true. Unfortunately, neither are true.
Tannehill missing the season is the primary reason for missing the playoffs this year.
The talent and coaching for the 1st 4 years wasn't mediocre. It was terrible. Only a true Tannehater would call Dallas Thomas, Billy Turner, Tyson Clabo, Jonathan Martin, Bryant McKinnie, Jason Fox, Daryn Colledge, and Shelley Smith mediocre. Joe Philbin mediocre? Sherman?
There have been two seasons when the rest of the offense didn't look like a train wreck. In 2014, the Dolphins finished 6th in the conference in points scored. All 5 of the teams that scored more points made the playoffs. All 5 of them also allowed fewer points than the Dolphins. Joe Flacco put up very similar numbers to Tannehill that year. The Ravens finished 10-6. He played behind an OL that allowed 19 sacks. Tannehill played behind an OL that allow FORTY-SIX SACKS. FORTY-SIX SACKS!!!!!!! That was sandwiched in between seasons of 58 sacks and 45 sacks.
Mediocre, my ***. Give me a F'n break.
In 2016, the team was mediocre, they made the playoffs largely due to the play of Tannehill.
Flavor of the month. It has been Flacco, Newton, Prescott, Winston, Mariota, and Carr. Now it is Wentz, Goff, and Foles.
I think what he meant was that your assessment of Foles in the Super Bowl is accurate, however it’s more of a recent development instead of a career pattern.
Truth is if Tannehill won the super bowl next year you would not call him great even tho he has never won anything before?
But I thought it was a TEAM game? And I guess the run game and weak schedule had nothing to do with it either. Tannehill could have been MVP with all 19TDs and 12 INts in 2016 lol yeah he was definitely the main reason we were winning.
You overstate Tannehill's impact if you believe that to be the case.
*Largely due to a soft schedule.
And Tannehill didn't even complete the season lol. "Largely due to Tannehill"
Bro we went 8-5 with Tannehill as a starter, and barely beat bad teams. The Dolphins had the worse point diffrential among all playoff teams in 2016. Tannehill was struggling to put away the Browns at home in one of those wins lmao.
When Ajayi emerged, Tannehill was playing as a very efficient game manager, getting a ton of clean iso looks off play action. And we were able to squeak by some bad teams because of that combo. That was the 2016 season. Nothing to write home about.
Same thing could be said about foles up until his last six games. But now all of a sudden he's a world beater.
That's what happens when you are WORLD CHAMPIONS
That is without a doubt the weakest comment. Just because you win a world championship doesn't mean that you're great.
You are right, it just means he played great on the biggest stage in the biggest game.
He played a good game, although not a great game. The whole team played complementary football. I wouldn't put him up there with the greats, it's only the people that hate Tanny that would do that.
Against a pathetic defense who was not able to generate a single pressure the entire game. Bellicheat was exposed in the SB, still a great coach, but Brady is what makes them special, not Bellicheat and his slow front 7. Atlanta should have beaten the Eagles, how that safety knee's that easy pick into the Eagles receivers hands right before half is still beyond me. Changed the whole game, but sometimes you need a bit of a miracle (Fluko) to go all the way, whether people want to admit it or not.
Way to ignore the rest of the post. Typical........... With Tannehill .... playoffs. Without Tannehill ..... no playoffs........
LOL. When things go bad, it is all Tannehill's fault. When things go well, it is not at all because of Tannehill. So typical.
I thought it was a great game by Foles. He was awarded the Most Valuable Player of the game.
I would be interested in what you consider a great game.
By comparison RT17 has only surpassed Fole's Super Bowl yardage total 3 times in 77 games
By comparison RT17 has only surpassed Fole's Super Bowl Passing TD total 1 time in 77 games.
By comparison RT17 has only surpassed Fole's Super Bowl passer rating 15 times in 77 games.
So you must not think that RT17 has ever had any great games. Either that or you have double standards.
I agree that Foles had a great game, but how many times in 77 games has Tannehill had no pressure.......
Not very many. But Foles did had pressure on that final drive. He made some good plays to buy just enough time.
It is a TEAM game. As I have said for years (and was finally proven correct in 2016), put together an offensive roster (especially OL) that doesn't SUCK and Tannehill will thrive. I find it hilarious that the same people who ignore the play of the OL when bashing Tannehill, point directly at the OL when explaining the inconsistent play of the running game.... weird.....
Agreed. By then the Pats were committing extra players to bring pressure which opens up opportunities. Every time they rushed 4, Foles had no pressure. Credit to Philly's play calling, there were no extremely difficult throws and no terrible down and distance situations. Foles made quick reads and got the ball to the right receiver. He kept his head during the biggest drive of his career. Props to him.
Gotcha..Sounds like any QB that we know? Lol!
LOL.. if you just landed in this forum and read threads like these you would have been mislead to think that almost 7 out of every 10 posters have no confidence in Tannehill while only the approx 1 out of 12 still believe in him.... instead of vice versa.
circa mid January since when nothing has changed:
Yes. He did. The point I'm trying to make is that apparently Foles "couldn't do it." Until...all of a sudden...he did.
Look under NFL records. Consecutive passes completed. In the history of Man.
It's amazing how much better a QB that NOBODY had faith in 8 weeks ago looks when he plays behind the best offensive line in football.
I'm pretty sure it's not the end.
It's DEFINITELY not the end just because you say so.
No he's not a world beater. He's just better than RT. The whole point of the thread.
Get off RTs nutsack already. The guy is the definition of Mediocre. And his resume sucks.
The end is near.
RTs claim to fame. He can surely tell the grandkids this story some day. Then he will proceed to lament the fact he had no offensive line. "I coulda been a contendah."
foles isn't good, period. good back up maybe but someone is gonna over pay.
Back to the original question. Some do some don’t. Not all that long ago no team in the league felt enough of Foles to name him a starter and at least one team has named Tannehill the starter. So, there is that.
All the opinions of the two players are irrelevant.