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Are The Dolphins Now A More Effective Team Without Tyreek?

djphinfan said:
Exactly, the switch in philosophy is nothing but an indictment on the head coach

The switch should of came when Tyreek was here, something a lot of folks were clamoring for because, you had a better run blocking Oline, because Tua is in a panel of making a play when the pocket gets constricted, and Tua is at his best in play action.
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Yup. Imagine these 6th OL running plays with Waddle and Tyreek on outside keeping BOTH safeties back. 🤤

Edit - It’s a copycat league. Imagine when teams with an actual good OL does this to us…
 
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tay0365 said:
We need an effective Tall WR that has some speed or is an excellent route runner, NWI was supposed to be that, but he has not lived up to that type. The way
NWI has looked, and time he has taken to get open, very few skilled or unskilled QBs would do very well with him as a starter.

Right now we don't have that, but if we did Tua might be able to find him better, use him better, at least the version of Tua before last years Bills injury...This year's Tua is very inconsistent, sporadic in his placement of the ball, so don't know if this Tua could take advantage of a big receiver that got open. Either way, a big receiver with some skills that would compliment Waddle's speed would work very well...Especially if Miami finally got themselves a top end TE.

Look how effective Miami was with Jonnu Smith as the TE in 2024, and how effective they were this year with a very fragile Waller...Imagine if he was healthier, and tougher to get hurt what Waller would do for Miami's offense, especially in the redzone and on crucial 1st downs.

Miami next draft does need to get a new QB 1st and foremost if he is there (Yes, there are a few QBs that can become franchise QBs). Heck even Ty Simpson, Fernando Mendoza, Dante Moore, LaNorris Sellers, or even Arch Manning might be there when Miami drafts...Where ever position that ends up being, but then Miami needs to go early with either a quality TE or Big Receiver. Reek I believe is not coming back.
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Agree, but . . .
If, in fact, TT and Mcd love those arm punts, I'd rather the target be a 6'3 receiver than a 5'10" one. Neither will be open, but one is more likely to out jump the CB.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Agree, but . . .
If, in fact, TT and Mcd love those arm punts, I'd rather the target be a 6'3 receiver than a 5'10" one. Neither will be open, but one is more likely to out jump the CB.
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A QB with limited arm strength should not be making those throws. Frankly, no QB really should. That is just closing your eyes and hoping. The idea is to throw the ball to the open receiver. Sure if it is a jump ball, taller guy has a better chance. But blindly hucking it and hoping is not productive. Where it is productive is throwing the ball high when a receiver can go higher than the DB, but that is more akin to throwing to an open receiver if the ball is placed where only your guy can get it and the route is designed for that. Similar to a back shoulder throw. There is a difference between the two things. The arm punt idea is not efficient football.
 
I take your point. They’ve been more solid. But they don’t have two starting caliber receivers so there is a talent problem.

It’s a pity they couldn’t have had it both ways where they had Tyreek yet still played the way they are playing now.

It’s a lot like last year. Lot of senseless losses destroyed the season. Getting boat raced by a pathetic Cleveland team is an all time humiliation. Losing to a mediocre Carolina team. Blowing it late to the Chargers and NE.
 
phinsforlife said:
A QB with limited arm strength should not be making those throws. Frankly, no QB really should. That is just closing your eyes and hoping. The idea is to throw the ball to the open receiver. Sure if it is a jump ball, taller guy has a better chance. But blindly hucking it and hoping is not productive. Where it is productive is throwing the ball high when a receiver can go higher than the DB, but that is more akin to throwing to an open receiver if the ball is placed where only your guy can get it and the route is designed for that. Similar to a back shoulder throw. There is a difference between the two things. The arm punt idea is not efficient football.
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Agree with the bolded. The difference is Mcd seems to have no problem with them. *IF* Mcd is happy with an arm punt that is intercepted at the opponent's 20, not much different than a real punt . . . to Mcd. Some day it may work. My only point is *IF* that is going to be the play call, at least have a receiver who has a chance. If the arm punt is only TT's idea, Mcd would have stopped it. Ummm, if he is a reasonably smart OC.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
It seems Mcd has just subbed Achane for TH. With TH, he and Waddle were targeted over half the time. Without TH, Waddle and Achane were targeted over half the time. Worse, I don't know how many teams target the RB that much, but not many, if any. Even worse, very few of Achane's targets are running an actual route, so Waddle and dump-offs to Achane are over half the targets. Last two games, TT has targeted only 5 receivers.
The good news is TT has to be going to progressions to get to Achane. The bad news is it's an indictment of the other receivers. Even then, watched 2 games yesterday. All 4 QBs 1st target wasn't always the #1 receiver. TT/Mcd? Seems it's waddle 1st on almost? every play.
That's a long way of saying I think Mcd's scheme is targeting 1-2 receivers regardless of name.
I agree, for Achane's size, I don't know if he can take that many carries over a season.
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A really significant point that no one else seems to have identified.
 
phinsforlife said:
I agree with that in theory, in practice it has not worked. NWI is the latest example. The bigger guys tend to be less quick, and are often more effective on the sidelines and downfield. Tua just doesnt have the arm and play extending capability to make it work with these guys. We have brought in a few of these guys, it has not worked out with a single one of them.
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Well said, that is exactly the issue. Tua needs massive separation with his receivers since they have to wait on the ball on any pass that is not a short/mid range and between the hashmarks.

We have all seen this on play after play. He just doesn't have the arm, or as I said years ago "It", he just doesn't have enough of "It" to overcome his metrics.
 
Austin Tatious said:
I take your point. They’ve been more solid. But they don’t have two starting caliber receivers so there is a talent problem.

It’s a pity they couldn’t have had it both ways where they had Tyreek yet still played the way they are playing now.

It’s a lot like last year. Lot of senseless losses destroyed the season. Getting boat raced by a pathetic Cleveland team is an all time humiliation. Losing to a mediocre Carolina team. Blowing it late to the Chargers and NE.
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yes agree wish they could have done it with tyreek here, but they were not. like i said in the op, beggars cant be choosers!
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Agree with the bolded. The difference is Mcd seems to have no problem with them. *IF* Mcd is happy with an arm punt that is intercepted at the opponent's 20, not much different than a real punt . . . to Mcd. Some day it may work. My only point is *IF* that is going to be the play call, at least have a receiver who has a chance. If the arm punt is only TT's idea, Mcd would have stopped it. Ummm, if he is a reasonably smart OC.
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yup. it is just a stupid idea. how about trying to convert the 3rd down in a higher probability way, and then punting on 4th. btw punter often punts it further than tua can throw it AND although i do not have the data, my gut is the odds of a long return are higher with the deep ball with 2 DBs back there than they are with the punt. i think mcdaniel is providing air cover for tua on this issue
 
tay0365 said:
We need an effective Tall WR that has some speed or is an excellent route runner, NWI was supposed to be that, but he has not lived up to that type. The way
NWI has looked, and time he has taken to get open, very few skilled or unskilled QBs would do very well with him as a starter.

Right now we don't have that, but if we did Tua might be able to find him better, use him better, at least the version of Tua before last years Bills injury...This year's Tua is very inconsistent, sporadic in his placement of the ball, so don't know if this Tua could take advantage of a big receiver that got open. Either way, a big receiver with some skills that would compliment Waddle's speed would work very well...Especially if Miami finally got themselves a top end TE.

Look how effective Miami was with Jonnu Smith as the TE in 2024, and how effective they were this year with a very fragile Waller...Imagine if he was healthier, and tougher to get hurt what Waller would do for Miami's offense, especially in the redzone and on crucial 1st downs.

Miami next draft does need to get a new QB 1st and foremost if he is there (Yes, there are a few QBs that can become franchise QBs). Heck even Ty Simpson, Fernando Mendoza, Dante Moore, LaNorris Sellers, or even Arch Manning might be there when Miami drafts...Where ever position that ends up being, but then Miami needs to go early with either a quality TE or Big Receiver. Reek I believe is not coming back.
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I think it's a good thing that members of this fan base are not running the team! - LOL
 
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