Armando: players take on Tua

[Geordie]

I don't think you're getting my point, dude. It's that the team feels like they stood a better chance with Fitz through the back half of the season. Anyone with a brain can tell you Tua isn't the only reason we lost to Buffalo BUT no one can definitively say Fitz wouldn't have had a magical moment and not thrown 3 picks. That glimmer of hope and what could have been, is where the frustration stems from.

I'm a Fan of Tua and want to see the team build around him and think playing Tua in that game was the right move.

But unlike us fans or even front office, players don't give a **** about Tua not having as good of a grasp on the playbook due to his lack of time/experience in the office. It's not at the same level as Doug Pederson putting Nate Sudfield in over Hurts but there is a level of similarity to it.

Oh I got your point, but if any of the players think for a moment Tua cost them money last year, they need to take a long hard look at themselves first.

 

[Namor]

Fair enough but then why throw him in there if he wasn't ready?

I'm with you there...I have more questions concerning our coaching staff than Tua...

 

[ChitownPhins28]

The problem is perception. People see Fitz as a bottom of the league type QB but he isnt. He is a top 15 starter -14th in Any/a this year. His 6.85 Any/a was the best dolphin performance since Pennington in 2008 and you would have to go back to Marino in 87 to find the next best year to beat that. So people think Tua should look better than he does because they think Fitz is “garbage”.
I think Grier and Flores will look back and see what a lost opportunity this was by playing Tua.

What 'lost opportunity'? First round playoff exit vs week 17 exit?
We're talking about a 1-game difference during the season: the Denver game...maybe. Fitz wasnt stopping Denver's run game or blocking Fangio's DL stunts and blitzes. Our O-line got its ass kicked because of inexperience and Gailey failing to adjust. Gailey had a tendency to keep returning to a dry well. "It worked ladt week, so why not this week?"
Both Fangio and Rod Marinelli took away what had worked the previous week and didnt adjust until it was too late or almost too late.
Those rpo plays that were killing New England were easily diagnosed by Marinelli and we couldnt run for **** vs the Raiders.
Tua suffered, in both instances, for Gailey's stubbornness.
Tua was pulled, in both instances because the situation called for 'Emergency' 'Gotta just chuck it now' offense where the team felt Fitzpatrick's data-processing-speed and lack of caution was the most important quality for that moment.
Unlike Herbert, who wasnt even pulled when LA got blasted 45-0 by NE, Tua was on a team fighting for a playoff berth where winning the game, at all costs, was the priority vs 'let Tua take his lumps'.
The whole 'Tua had to be pulled' narrative was BS, IMO.
Miami had a Luxury with Fitzpatrick being there and they took advantage.

In the grand scheme, this season went perfectly for Miami. They played 17 meaningful games, they got their highly-drafted rookie QB important playing time and experience, they further developed winning culture, theyre almost 100% healthy going into training camp for this upcoming season. Theyre hungry, have high aspirations, and will be Loaded after this offseaon's haul.

Also, Tua's gonna make a Lot of doubters feel stupid and happy to be stupid.

 

[ChitownPhins28]

Oh I got your point, but if any of the players think for a moment Tua cost them money last year, they need to take a long hard look at themselves first.

Yes, it was Tua's fault that Parker fell down on that Pick 6 that essentially iced the game, or the punt return TD that put Miami in a shithole position.

 

[fishfanmiami]

What 'lost opportunity'? First round playoff exit vs week 17 exit?
We're talking about a 1-game difference during the season: the Denver game...maybe. Fitz wasnt stopping Denver's run game or blocking Fangio's DL stunts and blitzes. Our O-line got its *** kicked because of inexperience and Gailey failing to adjust. Gailey had a tendency to keep returning to a dry well. "It worked ladt week, so why not this week?"
Both Fangio and Rod Marinelli took away what had worked the previous week and didnt adjust until it was too late or almost too late.
Those rpo plays that were killing New England were easily diagnosed by Marinelli and we couldnt run for **** vs the Raiders.
Tua suffered, in both instances, for Gailey's stubbornness.
Tua was pulled, in both instances because the situation called for 'Emergency' 'Gotta just chuck it now' offense where the team felt Fitzpatrick's data-processing-speed and lack of caution was the most important quality for that moment.
Unlike Herbert, who wasnt even pulled when LA got blasted 45-0 by NE, Tua was on a team fighting for a playoff berth where winning the game, at all costs, was the priority vs 'let Tua take his lumps'.
The whole 'Tua had to be pulled' narrative was BS, IMO.
Miami had a Luxury with Fitzpatrick being there and they took advantage.

In the grand scheme, this season went perfectly for Miami. They played 17 meaningful games, they got their highly-drafted rookie QB important playing time and experience, they further developed winning culture, theyre almost 100% healthy going into training camp for this upcoming season. Theyre hungry, have high aspirations, and will be Loaded after this offseaon's haul.

Also, Tua's gonna make a Lot of doubters feel stupid and happy to be stupid.

good post

 

[ChitownPhins28]

Yes, it was Tua's fault that Parker fell down on that Pick 6 that essentially iced the game, or the punt return TD that put Miami in a ****hole position.

Or that Nick Needham turned into 'NeedTalent'.

 

[ChitownPhins28]

Ryan Tannehill was a bum as a rookie qb. Straight disaster. Yet it was all sunshine and rainbows because he didn't have weapons.

Fast forward 9 years and its not the same for the other said qb who was better than Ryan Runofthemill.

Irony.

And Ryan 'Runofthemill' was Exactly that vs the Ravens last Sunday when Balt stuffed the box and made the play-action less effective.
It was like 'Tennessee, meet your QB's ceiling'.

 

[next-year]

Oh I got your point, but if any of the players think for a moment Tua cost them money last year, they need to take a long hard look at themselves first.

You still don't get it. Your point is, "we'll everyone else played poorly". Yes, that may be true, but the players who played poorly, were our best performing players heading into the game.

Our defense gets a lot of crap in this game, and deservedly to a degree. However, our defense needed to play off of their early success.
Look at how little advantage we took of great defensive play in the beginning.

 

[Geordie]

You still don't get it. Your point is, "we'll everyone else played poorly". Yes, that may be true, but the players who played poorly, were our best performing players heading into the game.

Our defense gets a lot of crap in this game, and deservedly to a degree. However, our defense needed to play off of their early success.
Look at how little advantage we took of great defensive play in the beginning.
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Did you even watch the game,or just look at the box scores ? Because there is a very good reason why those drives ended the way they did, which would be obvious to anyone who had watched it !

 

[ChitownPhins28]

I don't even disagree with what he's saying. It's not like he's being a ****. He's just questioning why the need to automatically state that he's a starter without any kind of competition whatsoever before he's proven he's at that level. I get it, but with all the outside noise that would be coming, it's better to just say it and move on without everybody mocking us Justin Bust Fields at #3.

The only thing that I completely disagree with is the assertion that someone needs an "elite" arm or legs to be a great QB. That's some Lombardi level stupid BS.

Pretty obvious what the 'need' was.
The need was to develop your highly-drafted QB of the future because you're not winning the SB this year and your starting QB is a 38 yr old journeyman.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

You still don't get it. Your point is, "we'll everyone else played poorly". Yes, that may be true, but the players who played poorly, were our best performing players heading into the game.

Our defense gets a lot of crap in this game, and deservedly to a degree. However, our defense needed to play off of their early success.
Look at how little advantage we took of great defensive play in the beginning.
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Also to be fair injuries caught up to us, and special teams players were filling in defense as well. I look forward to adding more players to this defense and add better depth.

 

[DannyMcCoy]

What 'lost opportunity'? First round playoff exit vs week 17 exit?
We're talking about a 1-game difference during the season: the Denver game...maybe. Fitz wasnt stopping Denver's run game or blocking Fangio's DL stunts and blitzes. Our O-line got its *** kicked because of inexperience and Gailey failing to adjust. Gailey had a tendency to keep returning to a dry well. "It worked ladt week, so why not this week?"
Both Fangio and Rod Marinelli took away what had worked the previous week and didnt adjust until it was too late or almost too late.
Those rpo plays that were killing New England were easily diagnosed by Marinelli and we couldnt run for **** vs the Raiders.
Tua suffered, in both instances, for Gailey's stubbornness.
Tua was pulled, in both instances because the situation called for 'Emergency' 'Gotta just chuck it now' offense where the team felt Fitzpatrick's data-processing-speed and lack of caution was the most important quality for that moment.
Unlike Herbert, who wasnt even pulled when LA got blasted 45-0 by NE, Tua was on a team fighting for a playoff berth where winning the game, at all costs, was the priority vs 'let Tua take his lumps'.
The whole 'Tua had to be pulled' narrative was BS, IMO.
Miami had a Luxury with Fitzpatrick being there and they took advantage.

In the grand scheme, this season went perfectly for Miami. They played 17 meaningful games, they got their highly-drafted rookie QB important playing time and experience, they further developed winning culture, theyre almost 100% healthy going into training camp for this upcoming season. Theyre hungry, have high aspirations, and will be Loaded after this offseaon's haul.

Also, Tua's gonna make a Lot of doubters feel stupid and happy to be stupid.

doubtful. Once again Fitz any/a was 6.85 this year, Tuas was 5.4. That is the same number difference between Dan Marino and Scott Mitchell.

Fitzpatrick easily wins the denver game, might win the Chiefs game (since the defense got 4 turnovers), Bills game would be different also.

And yes the goal is to make the playoffs. No guarantee that they lose the first round, but even if they did 1st round loss >>>>>not making the playoffs.

 

[ChitownPhins28]

You still don't get it. Your point is, "we'll everyone else played poorly". Yes, that may be true, but the players who played poorly, were our best performing players heading into the game.

Our defense gets a lot of crap in this game, and deservedly to a degree. However, our defense needed to play off of their early success.
Look at how little advantage we took of great defensive play in the beginning.
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Chan's playcalling in those early drives killed Tua's opportunity to be successful.
Im freakin Glad Fitz missed week 17 cuz Tua got more meaningful minutes of experience than he did in the previous 3 games combined. Why? Because he finally got the opportunity to play 'chuck it in the air like dont really care', like what Herbert had been able to do all year.

 

[Namor]

His Any/a his fir

doubtful. Once again Fitz any/a was 6.85 this year, Tuas was 5.4. That is the same number difference between Dan Marino and Scott Mitchell.

Fitzpatrick easily wins the denver game, might win the Chiefs game (since the defense got 4 turnovers), Bills game would be different also.

And yes the goal is to make the playoffs. No guarantee that they lose the first round, but even if they did 1st round loss >>>>>not making the playoffs.

another ignore.

 

[Rowdy1972]

His Any/a his fir

doubtful. Once again Fitz any/a was 6.85 this year, Tuas was 5.4. That is the same number difference between Dan Marino and Scott Mitchell.

Fitzpatrick easily wins the denver game, might win the Chiefs game (since the defense got 4 turnovers), Bills game would be different also.

And yes the goal is to make the playoffs. No guarantee that they lose the first round, but even if they did 1st round loss >>>>>not making the playoffs.

Just like when fitzpatrick went 3-3 in the games he started........now we are just giving out automatic W's to a guy that has never been consistent in his 16 year career.