Armando -The Miami Dolphins spent all season dealing with a surprise problem no one could solve

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  1. Tureo

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    Tannehill has never been that leader even when healthy. It's not a knock on him but I think he was only voted co team captain once maybe. I could be wrong but he and Wake and Suh aren't the leader type it seems.
     
  2. J. David Wannyheimer

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    The Dolphins didn't vote on captains / have standing team captains for the first 2 or 3 years under Philbin. Philbin's idea was to have different captains every week, citing a Packers practice he had seen in the past. I think he changed that in his last season before he got fired.
     
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    Did you go to any games? I did. Tannehill was as involved on the sidelines as anyone all season from what I saw.
     
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    Now you're just trolling. you're bitchingabout what he does on the sidelines now. Really!!!!
     
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    JDW I don't doubt you, but I thought he said that he wouldn't and that's why they cut him
     
  6. Daytona Fin

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    Riiiight. Were you watching from the Stadium cam or were you at the games? Just about every shot I saw of the very limited glimpses , maybe what 3 seconds a game, Tannehill was working with qb's or in earshot of Gase. Anyways.

    http://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/20...ryan-tannehill-contributing-on-the-sidelines/

    Gum? Get out of here.


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  7. warren4prez

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    I'm not surprised!! It makes sense!!! This is why I Gase was trying to get Richard Sherman into this locker room!! I still hope it happens even if it's for 2 seasons we need a vet like him around.
     
  8. Sarnics13

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    Don't engage the anti tannehill agenda guys. Like a screaming child pitching a temper tantrum if you ignore it, it will eventually cease. (Or get banned)

    Every time i see that profile I pass it over. What a miserable negative life some people live.
     
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    I knew Albert was a leader but I didn't realize how much of an importance he had. Interesting read anyway
     
  10. oasis

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    There are different kinds of leaders. The leaders we do have (Wake, Suh, Jones, Pouncey - ugh) are more like "keep your head down and do your job" kind of leaders. What we don't have are players that are simply HUNGRY to compete and win, to be the best, not only at their position so they get paid, but as a team to hoist the trophy. We have a bunch of very...content, albeit professional, leaders. That's going to get you to mediocrity every season.
     
  11. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    I would counter that saying that Taylor Lewan is plenty aggressive but seems to be a leader of the team in Tennessee.
     
  12. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    Rams brought in Whitworth, Jaguars Campbell, and both did plenty to lead their teams.
     
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    im a HC and leadership in the locker room is everything. ive been apart of teams with all the talent in the world but everyone was an individual and it killed us. and ive been apart of teams with less talent who came together because of the leadership in the lockerroom and out preformed. the locker room needs it, and it means more than the coaches leadership
     
  14. DolfanDuBbZ~

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    Your remarks are but the flip side of the same coin. Being a part of a echo chamber or group thought, does no one any good. While some here are negative on this team, for reason, delusion the other way is just as bad.
     
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    I ignore those who are always negative and those always positive. I want well-considered opinions. As for leaders, I'm certain they're on the team. They need to
    grab the reins. Leaders TAKE leadership and I think some will
     
  16. tscurley

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    Leadership is wildly overrated. Not completely irrelevant, but far less important than talent. A good QB, some better OLs, and a couple good LBs who all collectively didn't say one inspiring word all season but were actually good at professional football would have made a huge difference to this team. Hell. Even just a competent QB and it's likely a 10-6 type team instead of 6-10.
     
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    Actually they aren't. My remarks speak simply to the non-stop nothing but negative on every single freaking post. Dude literally starts threads just to create more opportunities to bash the same 2 topics. I don't know a single poster that is nothing but positive about everything on every post.... but i know several that are nothing but negative about everything.
     
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    Leadership doesn't work that way. No amount of money can make someone a leader.
     
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    Probably because Miami overpaid Dansby. Miami was paying him to be an impact turnover causing LB, not to to just be solid.
     
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    And who was responsible for bringing in all of these non-leaders??
     
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    Lack of leadership, lol...FML these beat writers. It couldn't have been a hurricane, a broken QB or a coked up offensive line coach. No, take a dump on the players collectively to fail to become glorified motivational speakers.

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    Word, Branden Albert's leadership vacuum is what messed up our season?

    ...Then kill yourself.
     
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  22. DuderinoN703

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    Wake is always the guy who gives a speech on the sideline before the game. I’ve never seen him as the quiet type.
     
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    Leadership and teaching tend to be the least valued traits by fans, but some of the most critical for success, development and maturation of your team.

    Fans never stop and think about leadership when they are wanting to boot a guy to the curb.

    Yet, we have a Center who has been injured more than BA and it was BA that carried the "injury prone" label. A label frequently used by fans to show him the door.

    I too knew what we were losing with BA. He was a consummate professional and took Tunsil under his wing. He was the perfect mentor for Tunsil. And he would have slid inside and continued teaching Tunsil. But TB could wait to get his hands on BA's salary cap space.

    TB is the reason we are poorly constructed as a team. We have talent. We don't have leaders.
     
  24. Digital

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    When Branden Albert was not going to be renewed, and we then started looking to trade him, I was one of the few who saw his leadership loss as a major negative. As it turned out, that was correct. While it unfolded differently than I had imagined, it did happen. I had been primarily concerned that Tunsil, lacking the correct veteran leadership, role model and big brother in Albert, would slack off. Well, he did. He lost focus and greatly underperformed everyone's expectations this year. But, he did keep his character on the straight and narrow, which was a major concern of mine. But lacking that big brother and friend direction, he got lazy, less involved, and his play showed it.

    Likewise, our failure to invest much into our OL showed, our weaknesses exacerbated when injuries inevitably hit, and the LG spot that Tunsil had admirably filled as a rookie, once again became a flaming hot disaster of unopened run lanes and sketchy pass protection. Our foolish reliance on Bushrod as a starter (and paying him starter money to return), was even worse. If we had kept Albert, Tunsil would have given us good LG play, and a combo of Larsen and Davis would have hugely improved our RG play, to the point we would have been OK. Also, Albert's leadership would have helped develop our young guys like Jesse Davis and Jake Brendel. Poor planning and underfunding of resources. This lead directly to letting Albert go ... and let's face it, he never wanted to play this year anywhere but Miami. We gave him away for nothing, when I'm fairly confident he would have re-negotiated to play in Miami for less. It appears we never really tried, because our eyes were too fixated on getting Tunsil to LT we missed the hole it created in the locker room.

    Branden Albert is a class act ... and a much-decorated LT, and a tremendous player. He was missed. Now, the question is whether we learn from this lesson or continue our disturbing trend of throwing inconsistent players at the position, or whether we grow a culture of technically sound guys with a history of staying healthy? Somehow, I'm skeptical.
     
  25. DefensiveEnd76

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    Tannehill has NEVER been a vocal take-charge guy. We have far too many passive players on our roster when we need alpha male leaders.
     
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  26. TeeMoney

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    Three first round picks, pro bowler FA’s, mid and late round draft picks and UdFA’s.
     
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    and by leadership you mean jump up and down and scream....
     
  28. GreenMts

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    agree

    so like +10 yrs ago
     
  29. Digital

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    I was talking about our reaction to the current OL problem at the last logical time to invest, the past offseason. Not about the last decades decisions. Hope that clarifies. But let's do your analysis just for completeness.

    Three first rounders ... hmmm. Let's see, I'm guessing you mean Jake Long who was a great player early but became ravaged by injuries and is now retired ... so that depends on how long back you're going I guess. Then Mike Pouncey, who was the highest drafted center of all time ... that definitely fits your description. Then Ju'Wuan James ... that definitely fits the description too.

    But, Pouncey was a reach, over-drafted because of need, over-hyped, then re-signed and over-paid, and who has a real durability issue coupled with difficulty at the point of attack ... at the time I called that a reach, and I stand by that assessment. Ju'Wuan James was a bad pick. I said as much then, and believe as much now. Sure, we wanted Zack Martin, who would have been a phenomenal pick, All-Pro routinely, and an anchor for a dominant run game in Dallas. He has been a fantastic pick ... but we didn't pick him. He was gone, so we reached for James, who isn't even worth signing to his 5th year option. I wouldn't call him a bust per se, but he's been very bad.

    FA's, we signed Branden Albert to a big contract, but got rid of him before paying the biggest part ... eating significant dead cap in the process. Bad decision IMHO. At the time, I said we overpaid ... and I stand behind that. But the worst part of it was that our overpayment meant we got rid of him when we still needed him and ate the cap. He LIVED in Miami and was dead-set on playing LT ... and had no other competitive bidders really, so we were just dumb to overpay. We created that problem with a bad investment.

    And what did we do this year? Oh yeah, we failed to invest much in the OL and it showed ... as I mentioned. Well, Larsen was a CHEAP pickup, and might have been OK if he could stay healthy. But he was our only real investment. We didn't sign any other financial investment FA's and our draft pick, Asiata, whom I like, was a 5th round pick ... which is definitely not a heavy investment regardless of position. The rest, like Eric Smith, weren't even drafted.

    So yeah, this year we failed to invest much into the OL.

    In the long term, you have a point that we invested in the position, but that view of the long term included Parcells and Sparano drafing the now-retired Jake Long, and Philbin pushing to overpay for Branden Albert, the previous regime's selection of Mike Pouncey and even Dennis Hickey's selection of Ju'Wuan James (which may have been Tannenbaum so that's worth considering). I'm not sure I'm really prepared to blame the current coaching staff and front office for all of those mistakes.

    I was discussing this past offseason, because that's when Gase & Co. knew of the problems and had the time and resources to address them. They chose to sign guys like Branch and Timmons to inflated contracts and leave pocket change for the OL while eating Albert's dead cap. IMHO, those were all bad moves. The fact that we had OL woes for the umpteenth season in a row was ... not surprising. That's all I'm saying.
     
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    "(He's) kind of taking the team on his shoulders and knowing that, hey, we've got to come out here every day and put something great together," wideout Kenny Stills told the team's website. "And if we want to have a chance of being a great team, it's going to come from him and the rest of this offense. He takes pride in that."

    "Jonathan Marin grabs Matthews and says something, Mike Pouncey and Brian Hartline each throw in some words, then Tannehill comes in, grabs Matthews, yells "Get the **** off the field,", and forcing the receiver out of the game. If there's a better example of a quarterback taking charge of his team, I don't know about it."
     
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    I don't believe Albert was open to playing guard for us. I think that is the reason he retired, they wanted him to move to guard. And before that in KC he threatened to sit out the season if moved from left tackle.
     
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    Tannehill a leader? Fake news.

    Where is Wake? Suh? Reshad Jones?

    Just a bunch of "me" guys throughout this pathetic excuse of a roster.
     
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    My first take on this is why are we not looking at Gase here? Gase has said the players aren't smart enough to learn the playbook, he has to dumb it down. The buck stops with Gase as well on all the penalties as well. Gase is the one in control of the locker room supposedly. Wasn't he mentioned as the player's coach?
    I just found it odd that we are looking at people who did not step up as leaders, but the HC bares no responsibility.
     
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    Wake, Suh and Jones are perennial all-pros and true professionals. Calling them a “bunch of ‘me’ guys” because they’re introverts is pretty obtuse. I think you need a fourth eye.
     
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    Tj MacDonald a leader lol lol someone who could possibly be facing jail time. Hahaha hahahaha not the leader I would want
     
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    ooh oooh , I know I know
     
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    The similarities? Limp wristed coaches that got rid of alpha personalities because the couldn't deal with them. So again, the root of the problem is the HC. First Ajayi, now it looks like Landry yet he lets the guy that went AWOL back on the team. A week after taking his hard line stance by trading Ajayi he caved to the kneelers and let them do their thing. No one is going to stick their neck out for that coach. Why would they? He may trade them if they become too vocal.
     
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    Sadly I have to agree with you.......
     
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    Oh, last year, I see what you mean. Last year we had 3 first rounders, Bushrod was a pro bowler.
     
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    This team hasn't had leadership either in the locker room or on the sideline since Philbin jettisoned them all off. Gase IMO is proving to be another Philbin in that he seems to be intimidated by strong personalities in the locker room.
     

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