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Article/Prediction on Pat White from Jan. 09 before he was drafted

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Article was written on Jan. 21, 2009

Former WVU quarterback (boy, it hurts to write that) Pat White is in Mobile, Ala., practicing for Saturday's Senior Bowl, a big chance for NFL draft-hopefuls to showcase their abilities to league scouts.

White, who is college football's all-time quarterback rushing leader, is trying to show he can be a quarterback in the NFL.

ESPN's Todd McShay is having none of it, despite White's 332-yard, three-touchdown performance in the Meineke Care Care Bowl victory over UNC. From McShay's reports, White has no chance of making it as an NFL quarterback and is blowing his chance to make a living as a wide receiver or return man. Here is McShay's ESPN Insider report on White's first three days of practice:

Monday (1/19/09): It was apparent from the start of practice that White did not appear comfortable from under center. He stumbled on a few occasions during simple hand-off drills and his entire rhythm and timing as a passer was thrown off when he was forced to drop and read coverage simultaneously. His overall accuracy as a passer left much to be desired. He sailed one pass over the head of TE Shawn Nelson, who was running a crossing route against air. Later he short-hopped a comeback route during one-on-one drills. And then he under threw a vertical route, which resulted in an interception for San Jose State CB Coye Fancies. Making matters worse, White checked in at a mere 6-feet tall and 190 pounds during this morning's weigh-in. How many quarterbacks with those measurables are starting in the NFL right now? Exactly. The wise decision for White is to get involved as a receiver and return man moving forward. He did not catch one pass, kick or punt during Monday's practice, which is a wasted opportunity in our opinion.

Tuesday (1/20/09): White was able to calm some of his critics today by looking much more comfortable under center. He was able to fit the ball in tight windows throughout practice. White also showed accuracy throwing on the run, rolling out to the right and throwing a strike to Southern Miss TE Shawn Nelson, which can be extremely tough for a left-handed quarterback like White. We are still not ready to say White can line up as a quarterback at the NFL level, though. He continues to take too long getting the ball out of his hands and fails to show the proper touch on his throws. This was magnified during the seven-on-seven period when White threw a low fastball on a skinny post that obviously needed more trajectory and softer touch. The ball was easily intercepted by Ole Miss OLB Ashlee Palmer.

Wednesday (1/21/09): White threw spirals and showed a smooth delivery for the most part, but there is no getting around the fact that he is simply not accurate enough to play quarterback in the NFL. While he did throw spirals, the nose of the ball often sunk and when the coaches put the 10-foot net up for him to throw over his accuracy fell off even more. At his height, his release point is just too low. In the seven-on-seven period, White flat-out missed wide-open Ole Miss WR Mike Wallace in the end zone. This was a trend on Wednesday as he often looked to be aiming and feathering the ball in order to prevent himself from making a mistake. As a result, his passes often lacked the RPMs needed to be successful at the next level. On a side note, many think that White needs to transition to wide receiver and we agree. However, when observing him catch the ball as he was waiting to take his next rep at quarterback White didn't look natural with his hands. That begs the question of whether White can catch the ball well enough to play any position other than quarterback. At this point, though, he needs to try because he has not done himself any favors behind center this week.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/114011-todd-mcshay-poops-all-over-pat-whites-nfl-dream
 
McShay was premature, because then you look at the Senior Bowl and who was the MVP? Pat White, from the QB spot. But anyways, I wouldn't move White to WR. I'd keep him at WildCat QB and have him also used at PR and 'some' WR on trick plays....which is what I believe Ireland drafted/envisioned him for ...
 
Read what McShay wrote and then look at what we saw from Pat White this year...the guy pretty much nailed it.
 
Which is what we saw from Henne in his first year too. Zilch. In Henne's rookie preseason he looked good and sat behind Pennington his whole rookie season.

White had a good Senior Bowl and looked good in 'his' rookie preseason too, he didn't look scared throwing there. And basically sat his rookie season too, except they basically used him as a decoy on the small occasions they inserted him into. In fact, they actually showed confidence in White by putting him in 'crucial' situations too.

By listening to Ireland's interview, he didn't show any regret in drafting White and sounded just as confidence in what they have planned for him in 2010. JMO.
 
I like White as a weapon, because we have none. He def is better with us than cut or kept away from any burn
 
heres another part from a different article that was written on April 21, 2009

Notice I didn't say West Virginia quarterback Pat White, who was a four-year standout at the position for the Mountaineers. And notice I didn't say most likely to succeed. Therein lies the rub when it comes to White, who is this draft's Rorschach test -- football scouts see a variety of different things when they critique him. Some see a developmental-type quarterback in the NFL. Some see a receiver who can also help you on punt and kickoff returns. And some see the quintessential Wildcat formation X factor, a player capable of giving defenses fits with his ability to line up almost anywhere and either run, throw or catch the ball on almost any snap.


White has clearly become a point of fascination for some teams. If I had to put a buck down, I'd say one of them will take him somewhere in the second round, using him early in a myriad of Wildcat-ing ways while buying itself more time to evaluate whether he can evolve into a successful quarterback, despite playing an unconventional style of game.

"I'm still working to be a quarterback, and until somebody tells me no, I'm going to continue to,'' said White at this year's NFL Scouting Combine, striking what I thought was the pitch-perfect tone for his particular situation. "I also want to keep my options open and [have] the best opportunity to play football. If that's the case, I do whatever's best for me.''


 
and heres another article from march 15th

His pro day was a big disappointment for the 25 teams that showed up to watch run some routes and catch the ball. White did not run routes and did not catch or do any other receiver drills. Instead, he did more quarterback drills and left scouts wondering why he was showing more of what they’d already seen from the Senior Bowl and Combine workouts. With this said, White still doesn’t garner the attention other top prospects are getting. There are still questions that linger about what position he is best suited for at the next level and these questions will only go away once he shows scouts what he can do as a receiver.

I have listed a set of questions that remain about Pat White’s ability to play quarterback in the NFL and a set of questions that remain about his ability to play receiver. These are questions that he must answer, possibly during private NFL team workouts, to determine whether his stock will rise or fall come draft day.

QB questions:

Can he run a pro offense? This is by far the biggest concern because of his inexperience in a pro style offense. He played in Rich Rodriguez’s spread option offense and had a ton of success but this is much different than any NFL offense. He must prove he can drop back and read defenses. He improved dramatically his senior year in going through progressions but he still has some work. Seeing the field in a shotgun option spread offense is much different from seeing the field in a drop back. Ask Alex Smith.

Can he consistently throw with accuracy? White has proven to be accurate throwing the ball in the pocket and on the move. The question is his consistency. One play he will rolling out eluding tacklers then deliver a beautiful pass between two defenders 30 yards downfield. The next play there he’ll see no pressure and throw the ball at his receiver’s feet 15 yards downfield. He must refine his mechanics and become a more consistent passer overall.

Can he improve his overall technique? He is not the most natural passer but he has improved dramatically during his tenure at West Virginia. His footwork is inconsistent and he has a bit of a wind up delivery. White didn’t get much pro-style quarterback coaching in college and it may take some time to break out of these bad habits. While these things are very fixable for an athlete like White, they must be improved if he is to play with consistency on the next level.

Receiver questions:

Can he catch? This is probably the biggest concern for NFL teams since a receiver’s number one responsibility is to catch the ball thrown to him. No one has ever seen White catch a ball in a game other than the occasional double pass where he catches a duck from his running back 15 yards away from the nearest defender. Teams that choose to work him out must test his ability to catch all types of balls: fast, long, low, high, behind him. Is he tough over the middle? Can he win jump balls? Can he catch punts and contribute in the return game? His competency in this area will be the deciding factor in a position change.


Will he be able to run pro routes? There are so many questions about White playing receiver, mainly because he has never played the position. This question involves his ability to run pro routes and his ability to separate from all types of coverages, including bump coverage. Will he be able physical enough to elude big corners? Is he quick enough to separate from the cover corners? Does he have good enough footwork to run complex routes? While this is a major concern, usually great athletes that are poor route runners find their way on the field anyway in the return game. Either way, teams will want to utilize White as much as possible.


Can he learn the receiver position? There is no doubt in my mind that he is athletic enough to pick up on the nuances of route running but will he ever be able to stop counting his steps. There are so many superior athletes in the NFL but only a few of them understand the mental aspect of getting open. These are the guys that have a feel for the position and know how to adjust and create on the fly. Pat White has never shown he can to do this from the receiver position but he has shown me enough from the quarterback position to think he can grasp this part with good coaching.
 
By listening to Ireland's interview, he didn't show any regret in drafting White and sounded just as confidence in what they have planned for him in 2010. JMO.

What do you want Ireland to say?That his boss (Parcells) draft pick was a major reach and should have never drafted him in the 2nd.

And do you think he would admit the White pick was a luxury pick and should have used the pick on someone else to fill some of the glaring needs on the roster?
 
In fact, they actually showed confidence in White by putting him in 'crucial' situations too.

i guess you can call it confidence but i call it bad play calling
 
Which is what we saw from Henne in his first year too. Zilch. In Henne's rookie preseason he looked good and sat behind Pennington his whole rookie season.

White had a good Senior Bowl and looked good in 'his' rookie preseason too, he didn't look scared throwing there. And basically sat his rookie season too, except they basically used him as a decoy on the small occasions they inserted him into. In fact, they actually showed confidence in White by putting him in 'crucial' situations too.

By listening to Ireland's interview, he didn't show any regret in drafting White and sounded just as confidence in what they have planned for him in 2010. JMO.
We saw Henne once in the Arizona game in mop up. He drove the team 88 yards in 18 plays.

White has not completed a pass. He looks very uncomfortable under center. His accuracy sucks. He's to small.

I hope the Pittsburgh game taught the coaching staff a valuable lesson about White being the second stringer. They were stuck with him throughout the 3rd quarter. Imagine how bad it would have been if Henne went down in the first series.

I can't believe I am actually seeing posts talking about using Pat White at the QB position. :crazy:
 
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Which is what we saw from Henne in his first year too. Zilch. In Henne's rookie preseason he looked good and sat behind Pennington his whole rookie season.

White had a good Senior Bowl and looked good in 'his' rookie preseason too, he didn't look scared throwing there. And basically sat his rookie season too, except they basically used him as a decoy on the small occasions they inserted him into. In fact, they actually showed confidence in White by putting him in 'crucial' situations too.

By listening to Ireland's interview, he didn't show any regret in drafting White and sounded just as confidence in what they have planned for him in 2010. JMO.
white did not look good in pre-season...that it a false statement ! White will never become a good nfl Qb. I know that's not a fact, but I guarantee it shall come to pass.
 
Sounds to me like he nailed it on the head here...not accuracy and too small...
 
I can't believe I am actually seeing a thread talking about using Pat White at the QB position. :crazy:

The threads not about him being used at the QB position...its actually stuff that was said about him prior to being drafted that was right on the money. And some of the other stuff was because of all the threads about "will miami try Pat White at WR" threads...i posted some stuff i saw that was said about him as a receiver.
 
The threads not about him being used at the QB position...its actually stuff that was said about him prior to being drafted that was right on the money. And some of the other stuff was because of all the threads about "will miami try Pat White at WR" threads...i posted some stuff i saw that was said about him as a receiver.
I should have been more specific. The thread evolved and a couple of posts commenting about using him as an NFL QB.

EDIT: Fixed
 
What do you want Ireland to say?That his boss (Parcells) draft pick was a major reach and should have never drafted him in the 2nd.

And do you think he would admit the White pick was a luxury pick and should have used the pick on someone else to fill some of the glaring needs on the roster?

No, but I would expect him to say similiar things that they have voiced about Cam Wake and Pat Turner (his boss's pick in the 3rd round). That they are struggling in a certain area.

He didn't voice any of that about White. He sounded as if White is right on schedule to what they are trying to do with him...that's what.
 
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