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That is the situation Miami is in right now. Dave Wannstedt and Rick Spielman drafted so poorly for five years that we have very little developing talent on this team. Nick is doing the best he can, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

It is really unbelievable when you think about it:
2000 - Not one player from that draft on the roster. 0 for 6
2001 - Two players still on roster. Chambers and Minor. 2 for 9
2002 - Two players still on roster. McMichael and McKinney. 2 for 5
2003 - Three players still on roster. Moore, Smith, Bell. 3 for 9
2004 - Four players still on roster. Carey, Poole, Hadnot, Pope. 4 for 6

Thats a five year total of 11 for 35.
Of those 11, many will probably be dawning different colors next season.

Just to compare, let me show you the numbers for the Indianapolis Colts over the same Period:
2000 - Two of seven.
2001 - Two of seven.
2002 - Four of eight.
2003 - Five of eight.
2004 - Eight of nine.

Thats a five year total of 21 of 39.

That is essentially twice as many. So, it should be easy to understand why we are struggling.
 
Hopefully Saban and Mueller can right the ship.
 
fishypete said:
Lets add two number one picks and a third rounder for Ricky.
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The previous regime knew what they were giving up for Ricky, why would we add that back? That's a decision they made.
 
As a comparison, how many from THIS year do you see us keeping for more than three years? I figure these will still be on the team:

-Brown (duh!)
-Roth (won't be the star we predicted, probably, but he'll be a servicable backup)
-Crowder (once he learns how not to overpursue, we have - perhaps - a young Seau on our team, or - at the very least - a solid pro)
-Daniels (he's got some Surtain in him - we'll see if he develops the same way Pat did)
-Vickerson/Wright (one of these guys will end up on the team as a contributer, the other will bust)

I don't see Alabi making the team long-term. Just doesn't have enough weight.

So that would five out of seven (if you include Wright as a supplemental for this year, even though the pick comes out of '06). If that's the case, we're off to a good start. Next year, Saban will likely end up with 10 drafted players to pick from.
 
Nice post. And if you BUILD a team through the draft, it's pretty obvious we have to REbuild. I think the offensive line is where this issue is most obvious right now.
 
dolfan305 said:
saban has one draft down. next draft will hopefully be good. so far the talent of this draft is ok.
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Maybe overall, it will turn out OK, but I think when we look back in 10 years, we'll be happy we chose Brown, much the same way we look back at '83 like it was the birth of Christ. We could have drafted all stiffs after Marino, and we'll always look at that draft as perhaps the best in our history.
 
DolfanTom said:
Maybe overall, it will turn out OK, but I think when we look back in 10 years, we'll be happy we chose Brown, much the same way we look back at '83 like it was the birth of Christ. We could have drafted all stiffs after Marino, and we'll always look at that draft as perhaps the best in our history.
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Yep -- I think Brown actually has the potential to be a league MVP someday.
 
No question. But it's more than just numbers it's quality. Only Chambers and McMichael are top players over those drafts that you highlighted.
 
Ghetti13 said:
Just to compare, let me show you the numbers for the Indianapolis Colts over the same Period:
2000 - Two of seven.
2001 - Two of seven.
2002 - Four of eight.
2003 - Five of eight.
2004 - Eight of nine.

Thats a five year total of 21 of 39.
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This is deceptive. Simply because a player is on the roster doesn't mean they're worthy of it. See what I mean. From 2000, Rob Morris (1st) and Josh Williams (4th) are still on the roster. Neither is contributing. (Marcus Washington and David Macklin are, but they are with other teams). From 2001, Reggie Wayne (1st) and Ryan Diem (4th) are still on the roster. Both are contributors. From 2002, Dwight Freeney (1st), Larry Tripplett (2nd), Joseph Jefferson (3rd), and David Thornton (4th) are still on the roster. Three of them contribute, though Thornton and Tripplett are completely replaceable. From 2003, Dallas Clark (1st), Mike Doss (2nd), Donald Strickland (3rd), Robert Mathis (5th), Keyon Whiteside (6th), and Cato June (7th) are still on the roster. Whiteside and Strickland are not contributors. It is difficult to judge Clark's value. Doss is average. Mathis is pretty good, while June is having probably a better year than he really is. From 2004, we have Bob Sanders (1st), Ben Hartsock (2nd), Gilbert Gardner (3rd), Jason David (5th), Jake Scott (6th), Von Hutchins (7th), and Jim Sorgi (8th). Only Sanders and David contribute; both are probably replaceable. Nobody is contributing from their 2005 draft, so I'll ignore the spots.

Out of 5 drafts (2000-2005), they have around six or seven notable contributors. The Dolphins, out of those years, obtained several contributors - Ronnie Brown, Vernon Carey, Chris Chambers, and Randy McMichael. On the border are Will Poole, Channing Crowder, Travis Daniels, Rex Hadnot, and Yeremiah Bell. Freeman, Fletcher, Wade and Greenwood have moved on.

Everybody drafts nobodies who go nowhere. Simply having a roster spot is meaningless. While I don't think there's any question that the Colts in particular have drafted better than the Dolphins, I think it's a little tough to say that the Colts have drafted better than the Dolphins because their defense was always so lacking that almost anybody could hold a defensive roster spot. The Dolphins have drafted 11 offensive linemen in that period, for example.
 
The Indianapolis Colts are 7-0. Their offense in exceptional. Their defense is strong. Also, keep in mind that I am not discussing the 05' draft. Therefore, your "notable contributors" are like 4-5. McMichael, Chambers, McKinney, Hadnot, Carey. That ain't too good.
 
Ghetti13 said:
That is the situation Miami is in right now. Dave Wannstedt and Rick Spielman drafted so poorly for five years that we have very little developing talent on this team. Nick is doing the best he can, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

It is really unbelievable when you think about it:
2000 - Not one player from that draft on the roster. 0 for 6
2001 - Two players still on roster. Chambers and Minor. 2 for 9
2002 - Two players still on roster. McMichael and McKinney. 2 for 5
2003 - Three players still on roster. Moore, Smith, Bell. 3 for 9
2004 - Four players still on roster. Carey, Poole, Hadnot, Pope. 4 for 6

Thats a five year total of 11 for 35.
Of those 11, many will probably be dawning different colors next season.

Just to compare, let me show you the numbers for the Indianapolis Colts over the same Period:
2000 - Two of seven.
2001 - Two of seven.
2002 - Four of eight.
2003 - Five of eight.
2004 - Eight of nine.

Thats a five year total of 21 of 39.

That is essentially twice as many. So, it should be easy to understand why we are struggling.
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I think most of us were well aware of this.
 
DolfanTom said:
As a comparison, how many from THIS year do you see us keeping for more than three years? I figure these will still be on the team:

-Brown (duh!)
-Roth (won't be the star we predicted, probably, but he'll be a servicable backup)
-Crowder (once he learns how not to overpursue, we have - perhaps - a young Seau on our team, or - at the very least - a solid pro)
-Daniels (he's got some Surtain in him - we'll see if he develops the same way Pat did)
-Vickerson/Wright (one of these guys will end up on the team as a contributer, the other will bust)

I don't see Alabi making the team long-term. Just doesn't have enough weight.

So that would five out of seven (if you include Wright as a supplemental for this year, even though the pick comes out of '06). If that's the case, we're off to a good start. Next year, Saban will likely end up with 10 drafted players to pick from.
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he is around 300 ...why isnt that enough weight
 
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