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Baker wants to be a dolphin

Remember when people used to think that Jay Fiedler could be just as good as Tom Brady back around 2002?
Probably the same people who every year predict that this will be the year that the Patriots lose a step— going all the way back to at least 2005.
 
The thing is there are several ways to build a team. But if you get a top quarterback that may give you a 15 year window.

A great defense may give you a 5 year window. You're not going to be able to keep all your talent in today's game.

It's amazing to me that fans don't see the potential of upgrading at the position. Sure there are other needs. I get t hast. A quarterback alone won't get you there.
 
What do the Dolphins, Bills and Jets have in common since the Patriots drafted Tom Brady? Well, to begin with, none of those teams have had a top 10 caliber quarterback.

Ryan Tannehill has had his moments. So has Tyrod Taylor. But they are a far cry from Brady.

I know Trent Dilfer won a super bowl with Baltimore and Jeff Hostetler did the same with the Giants. But those are really aberrations.

The recent super bowl winning quarterbacks are guys who will eventually be Hall of Famers, which leads me to this. Miami should deal up for Baker Mayfield.

Mayfield is most often compared to Russell Wilson, but I see some Bret Favre in his game. He plays with contagious energy and excitement something Miami's offense needs.

I would hate to be chasing the Jets for 15 years if they end up with an elite quarterback. Picking at #11 Miami is in a good spot to trade up and make it happen. You can't chase the best teams in the league with an average quarterback.

IT IS COMMON FOR A QB WHO IS NOT PLAYING AT AN ELITE LEVEL TO WIN THE SB

It has happened with regularity in the last two decades. IMO, it is more common than an elite QB winning the SB simply because there are so few elite QBs.

(of course, this begs the question of 'What is an elite QB?') IMO, if the QB was not labeled elite based on their play in the season leading up to the SB win, then they did not win the SB as an elite QB.

Example: If this regular season stat line doesn't qualify as elite, then winning the SB that year doesn't make them elite.

264 cmp 413 att 63.9% 2843 yds 18 TDs 12 INTs 6.9 YPA 86.5 QB rating​

Also, becoming elite later in their career doesn't retroactively make their play elite earlier in their career.

BTW, this playoff stat line led to the SB win and it is definitely not elite:

60 cmp 97 att 61.9% 572 yds 1 TD 1 INT 5.9 YPA 77.3 QB rating​


SBs are won all the time by QBs who are not elite. Hopefully that will happen again this year when Foles and the Eagles beat the F'n Patriots.
 
And you can't eat if all you buy is losing lottery tickets. If you can't afford to lose, you shouldn't be playing and right now, the Dolphins can't afford to lose.


LMAO.

No one said "become a degenerate gambler and spend everything you have." But you have to take shots every now and then.

Otherwise join a sewing circle.
 
QB is never a sure bet. No matter where there drafted.
 
LMAO.

No one said "become a degenerate gambler and spend everything you have." But you have to take shots every now and then.

Otherwise join a sewing circle.

You only get 1 1st round pick per year (unless you're the Browns) and screwing that up, by picking the wrong QB, keeps you the Browns. Miami is not a talented enough team to whiff on a pick that requires so much investment in bringing them up to speed. The QB position is the only position that necessitates a switch away from your current QB (unless they are a journeyman and will take a backup role) BEFORE determining if the new QB will make it.

They don't ease into playing time like other positions. When you pick a QB in the first round, you've already made the decision to move on from your current QB in the very near future. That is not true of any other position. If it fails, it screws you up more than any other position. For those reasons, you'd better be sure the move is necessary and that the choice is right.
 
You only get 1 1st round pick per year (unless you're the Browns) and screwing that up, by picking the wrong QB, keeps you the Browns.

Let me approach it from another way.

Why do you think some QBs have come out and said that they do not want to play for the Browns (or other team that can't get its act together)? If it were all about the QB, it wouldn't matter where they went. Everything would change when they got there. They take that position because they know that the Browns have been unable to put together a quality supporting cast (players and coaches) and that is critical for a QB's success, especially a young QB. They fear having their career ruined by getting stuck in a bad situation.

The team matters. Fix that first, then see what you have and go get the QB if that is what is missing.
 
You only get 1 1st round pick per year (unless you're the Browns) and screwing that up, by picking the wrong QB, keeps you the Browns. Miami is not a talented enough team to whiff on a pick that requires so much investment in bringing them up to speed. The QB position is the only position that necessitates a switch away from your current QB (unless they are a journeyman and will take a backup role) BEFORE determining if the new QB will make it.

They don't ease into playing time like other positions. When you pick a QB in the first round, you've already made the decision to move on from your current QB in the very near future. That is not true of any other position. If it fails, it screws you up more than any other position. For those reasons, you'd better be sure the move is necessary and that the choice is right.

So true. But if you hit big you can move the franchise forward in a huge way.

In this case, it could be a win-win for Miami. If Tannehill plays well he has value in a trade and you potentially have your elite quarterback.

Of course, if the front office doesn't see an upgrade then they need to concentrate on building the defense and offensive line.
 
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