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Barry Jackson: on Mike Wallace, Nick Caserio, Dawn Aponte and Lake Dawson

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One person who interviewed for the Dolphins’ general manager job said Stephen Ross never clarified whether executive vice president/football administration Dawn Aponte would report to him or the owner, which has caused confusion. The Dolphins publicly remain non-committal about that, even though Aponte previously reported to Jeff Ireland.

One former NFL general manager said having Aponte report to Ross, instead of the GM, potentially would cause problems: “If your general manager says he’s already drawn up a contract with Drew Rosenhaus, will Dawn then say, ‘We don’t have the money to do that?’ The GM typically would be over a football administrative person.”

One candidate said Aponte participated in his interview but that he also met alone with Ross and alone with Joe Philbin.

### Patriots personnel director Nick Caserio, who turned down an offer to be the Dolphins GM on Saturday night, is highly-regarded. But several NFL types (a candidate who declined to interview, a respected former GM and others) called the Dolphins’ other candidates unimpressive.

One source who has dealt with Tennessee's Lake Dawson said he simply isn't as knowledgable as many of the league's other personnel directors. Former Dolphins candidate Jason Licht, who was hired by Tampa Bay, “was the best candidate of all of them” before Caserio interviewed and turned down the job, the former GM said. But Licht wasn't about to turn down an offer from Buccaneers merely to be a finalist in Miami.

What a humbling, disappointing search --- with at least four candidates declining to be interviewed, at least one declining a follow-up interview, one rejecting an offer, and now three finalists from teams that have experienced far more failure than success in recent years. Sort of typical for these Dolphins. And doesn't Ross need to ask a bunch of smart NFL people why this job is so unappealing and attempt to fix it?
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More at the link, including the Mike Wallace tidbits: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...dolphins-heat-hurricanes-marlins-chatter.html
 
I am back where I started. Promote Gaine. If they really like hickey create a title for him to work under Gaine. Tell him its a playoffs or bust for the whole front office and coaching staff. Start over in 2015 with a less convoluted hierarchy.

I think we were a couple decent lineman away from a playoff spot last year. Any gm that can't significantly improve our oline in a year isn't worth keeping anyway.

There is a lot of talent on this team. There are some pretty obvious holes, but we should have a little cap space after we resign most of our guys. If we can get some contributions from last year's draft class we would be in pretty good shape.

I also think if things start badly, we could see coyle as interim coach to end next season. This offseason is even more important than last.

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So who's our next hopeful? Gaine, I guess? I don't understand the point of coming down for 2 interviews only to turn us down for the job you interviewed for?! Probably just those NE rats getting a good laugh out of getting our hopes up.

I like to hear that from Wallace though.. Knows they needs tons of work
 
hippiephin said:
I am back where I started. Promote Gaine. If they really like hickey create a title for him to work under Gaine. Tell him its a playoffs or bust for the whole front office and coaching staff. Start over in 2015 with a less convoluted hierarchy.

I think we were a couple decent lineman away from a playoff spot last year. Any gm that can't significantly improve our oline in a year isn't worth keeping anyway.

There is a lot of talent on this team. There are some pretty obvious holes, but we should have a little cap space after we resign most of our guys. If we can get some contributions from last year's draft class we would be in pretty good shape.

I also think if things start badly, we could see coyle as interim coach to end next season. This offseason is even more important than last.

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Coyle is a train wreck. As was his playing calling most of the season.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Coyle is a train wreck. As was his playing calling most of the season.
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He's not that bad but one thing that bothered me was that no one ever seemed to know the screen was coming. Against the Bills it was maddening.
 
The Dolphins shouldn't care if it takes another month or more. Start over. There are guys in the franchise's past like Bobby Beathard who undoubtedly still have connections and could sample opinion and uncover names of potential general managers. Above all, don't settle for someone you don't have a conviction about, simply to get it over with. The reputation is already locked in place. Get it right, like USC eventually did with Pete Carroll in 2001. He was the 5th or 6th choice after a flock of rejections, including by Dennis Erickson and Mike Bellotti.

Regarding Mike Wallace, he can work with Tannehill all he wants during the offseason but I'm convinced the upside is limited. People like to scoff at Bill Parcell's formula for isolating undervalued quarterbacks but it has had countless successes, certainly far better than a subjective approach. And the reverse is true, that if a quarterback's background is not ideal then he's less likely to succeed than subjective tape analysis wants to believe. Tannehill turned 23 years old before his senior season at Texas A&M. That's a red flag, or should be. I've pushed the theory for more than 20 years, that overaged prospects with bizarre backgrounds are allowed far too much benefit of a doubt, particularly at quarterback and other skill positions. It's not quite as bad with linemen. Only in the past couple of years have I seen some online sources take a look at it. There are articles on the curse of the 23 year old college quarterback, and similar, noting that far more often than not they don't return full value. I wouldn't call it a curse, merely base logic. If they are still there, something's wrong. There's a redshirt year and often other detours. It's true that Kaepernick and Wilson turned 23 late in their senior season but both became starters during their freshman redshirt seasons and started four years in college. IMO, Tannehill will have a career somewhat equivalent to Ronnie Brown, another guy who had tons of apologists and debate and mixed reviews around here. As I posted in 2005 a running back who redshirted in college without an injury excuse is very unlikely to return 2nd pick value, no matter what he looks like on tape, and the same would hold true of a quarterback who was not a full time college starter once he turned 22.
 
Someone gave a thumbs down to posting a news article?
 
Haven't you read on FH, that the front office structure isn't the issue? lol
 
Awsi Dooger said:
TRegarding Mike Wallace, he can work with Tannehill all he wants during the offseason but I'm convinced the upside is limited. People like to scoff at Bill Parcell's formula for isolating undervalued quarterbacks but it has had countless successes, certainly far better than a subjective approach. And the reverse is true, that if a quarterback's background is not ideal then he's less likely to succeed than subjective tape analysis wants to believe. Tannehill turned 23 years old before his senior season at Texas A&M. That's a red flag, or should be. I've pushed the theory for more than 20 years, that overaged prospects with bizarre backgrounds are allowed far too much benefit of a doubt, particularly at quarterback and other skill positions. It's not quite as bad with linemen. Only in the past couple of years have I seen some online sources take a look at it. There are articles on the curse of the 23 year old college quarterback, and similar, noting that far more often than not they don't return full value. I wouldn't call it a curse, merely base logic. If they are still there, something's wrong. There's a redshirt year and often other detours. It's true that Kaepernick and Wilson turned 23 late in their senior season but both became starters during their freshman redshirt seasons and started four years in college. IMO, Tannehill will have a career somewhat equivalent to Ronnie Brown, another guy who had tons of apologists and debate and mixed reviews around here. As I posted in 2005 a running back who redshirted in college without an injury excuse is very unlikely to return 2nd pick value, no matter what he looks like on tape, and the same would hold true of a quarterback who was not a full time college starter once he turned 22.
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Which is perhaps fine as a general rule, but once a general rule applies in every case it's an axiom, and that's not what this is. Exceptions might make bad bets over the long haul but Tannehill isn't a string of bets that have to be averaged against big picture probability. He's one quarterback, just one roll of the dice.

"Odd background" is a highly subjective term, as well. You're isolating the age thing with Tannehill, but it's not like there aren't quarterbacks who haven't succeeded with his age "resume" any more than Wilson's oddball height and longtime flirtation with baseball disqualified him.
 
TheWalrus said:
Which is perhaps fine as a general rule, but once a general rule applies in every case it's an axiom, and that's not what this is. Exceptions might make bad bets over the long haul but Tannehill isn't a string of bets that have to be averaged against big picture probability. He's one quarterback, just one roll of the dice.

"Odd background" is a highly subjective term, as well. You're isolating the age thing with Tannehill, but it's not like there aren't quarterbacks who haven't succeeded with his age "resume" any more than Wilson's oddball height and longtime flirtation with baseball disqualified him.
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Also, he was a full time starter at WR prior to that. Being talented enough to start at two pretty different positions is another thing that is uncommon.
 
Patriots personnel director Nick Caserio, who turned down an offer to be the Dolphins GM on Saturday night, is highly-regarded. But several NFL types (a candidate who declined to interview, a respected former GM and others) called the Dolphins’ other candidates unimpressive.

One source who has dealt with Tennessee's Lake Dawson said he simply isn't as knowledgable as many of the league's other personnel directors. Former Dolphins candidate Jason Licht, who was hired by Tampa Bay, “was the best candidate of all of them” before Caserio interviewed and turned down the job, the former GM said. But Licht wasn't about to turn down an offer from Buccaneers merely to be a finalist in Miami.
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we havnt had good candidates? thats ridiculous. xander, hickey, licht, etc..... excellent choices for what we REALLY need.

and this aponte thing is obviously true and running people off. if ANYTHING is causing people not to commit, is because they DO NOT WANT TO ANSWER TO A BEAN COUNTER!!

only steve ross can put the team in a WORSE position than before. only he can create something that isnt done in the nfl. after PROMISING everyone through the media that the "new" gm would have FULL autonomy, it appears to be just, well, a lie!! he answers to dawn aponte, bean counter.

TANNEHILL: i saw early on [and was chastized] about tanny not looking any different than he did in december of his rooky year. i give him SOME credit fo the horrific o-line we had/have, but i look at all the things he did when his feet were set, he had not big pressure and he under through guys regularly. deep balls, crossing routes, etc... almost henne like. [yes, he is better than henne].

he still isnt throwing with anticipation and waits to long for his wr to get open. tanny had a lot of good this year and also a whole lot of bad, and for some reason, he is COMPLETELY unmentioned in our losses, especially the last two where he laid BIG eggs and philbin has taken all the blame. SILLY!! he left a TON f plays, td's [wallace was correct] on the field. ALL wallace's fault. heck, the ball could have beem 30 feet over his head and sailing out of bounds and the fans would have said, "well, he didnt try hard enough, he should have jumped higher for tanny"!!

WALLACE: isnt a team guy huh? he did the same last year coming in, he said right off he wanted to get with tanny EARLY and OFTEN and get the chemistry set. nope!! you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink. and wallace wasnt ready for how bad tanny was on the deep ball. even with his early drops, we would have been a 3 win team without him. just having him on the field makes defenses play us different. and we had NO run game!! and he still burned the heck out of db's. he WANTS to get it solved. he WANTS to work and has called tanny out. not saying there isnt, but i havnt seen anything about tanny calling for extra, early work. HE is the one needing it the most!!

this piece was very telling. you think ross and company didnt know licht was a hot comodity? that tampa wanted him to? of course he did. ross and company are sabotaging all of this. why? because BRIANE GAINE, apontes buddy, has been the gm choice since day one. that is now becoming clearer.

steve ross. DANG DUDE!!
 
I don't agree about the Tannyhill analysis. The kid is a great athlete. Tough, competitive, smart, athletic. But, but, but....

IMO his one potential fatal flaw is pocket presence - its a super big deal, because its not really a learned thing - its a Jedi thing. Marino had a sick case of it, Rothlesberger - the ability to use a 6th sense about how to get out of the way, avoid the hit, buy time in the pocket and find an open receiver. The problem is that cannot be taught...You either have it or you don't. I think Tannyhill does not - but I could be wrong
 
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