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The Dolphins’ signing of Chad OchoCinco elicited a wide range of reaction around the NFL Tuesday. We’ll start with the positive:

“Watching the Patriots practice three times for the Super Bowl, I was really impressed with Chad,” NBC’s Cris Collinsworth said. “He was much sharper physically than I anticipated. The key is to find things he does well and stick to basic routes.
“I was impressed how Chad handled himself in New England; he was very much a team player. I might have shied away from him after he left Cincinnati, but that experience did him a lot of good. I wouldn’t be worried about him having a negative influence over younger players the way I might have been [when he played with] Terrell Owens in Cincinnati. There’s no downside to this, and if I’m in Miami’s situation, I would have done it, too. If he can’t do it, you can get rid of him. Physically, he has something left. He has this non-stop brain that would call [Bengals coach]Marvin Lewis at 3 in the morning and suggest a play.”

Said CBS’ Phil Simms: “I have no doubt physically, he is still capable of being a solid NFL receiver and have an impact. It’s a really good signing, especially with the situation they are in with receivers. The energy I saw at Bengals practices [before 2011] was awesome, and it was driven by one guy: Chad. Full speed every play.”
After OchoCinco’s first Dolphins practice Tuesday, Sean Smith tweeted, “[No.] 85 still got it!”OchoCinco encouraged people to "tweet Vontae Davis and ask him how I look. They wont [sugar] coat." Davis, asked how he looked on a scale of 1 to 10, tweeted: "10; for not knowing the playbook, he still got it."

As for concerns: “He was overwhelmed by the complexity of New England’s offense,” CBS’ Rich Gannon said. “Tom Brady didn’t have a lot of trust he would be in the right place and do the right thing. You would think a veteran guy could learn a game plan. They kept him around in the offseason program this year and he was still struggling. Now, going to a West Coast offense, he may struggle there.”
Patriots receiver Deion Branch had to tell OchoCinco where to line up during a May 24 practice witnessed by reporters. The Patriots cut him last week.Gannon once asked former Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski why they didn’t move OchoCinco around more, and “Bob said, ‘We don’t want to overload him.’ That tells you right there. He’s not a bad guy. But his extra curricular activities take away from his focus on the game.” But Gannon said in spite of all that, there's no risk to signing him because it's a low-risk, low-money move

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Former Texans general manager Charley Casserly, of NFL Network, said: “He still has enough physical skills to be productive, but route discipline has always been a question. Does Chad get it, at the end of his career, that he has to be a good soldier and it has to be about the team, not him?”

NFL Network’s Joe Thiesmann, noting his problems against Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, said: “He’s got great feet, but when it comes to being physical, he can’t do it. He’s physically not strong enough to get off jams. With OchoCinco, [Brian Hartline, Davone Bess and Legedu Naanee], you have four guys who can be functional.”

One longtime NFL executive told us Tuesday: “The guy ran the wrong route on the first play of a game last year, after you practice it all week. How can you screw that up? With Ryan Tannehill, you want a receiver to be in the right spot to help your young quarterback, and that would concern me with Chad. You’re a new coach trying to build a program there; I wouldn’t have touched him.

### OchoCinco’s former teammate, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, who reportedly needed to sometimes tell OchoCinco where to line up, told Bengals.com: “If I went with Tom Brady and didn’t produce, I’d hang it up. Are you kidding me?”

### OchoCinco, 34, is in great shape and showed quickness during his Dolphins workout Monday. Though he had just 15 catches for 276 yards last season, he is one year removed from a 67-catch, 831-yard season with Cincinnati in 2010, when he also dropped eight passes. If he makes the team, he will earn the veteran’s minimum $925,000, with potential to push that to more than $2 million if he meets incentives such as catching 80 passes, according to Peter King.

### Chad's best tweet from Day One as a Dolphin? He said anyone attending fiancee Evelyn Lozada's book-signing in the Bronx should "tell her to wire me my allowance."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/


 
Good signing on many levels. Low or minium payout on a once very productive veteran who has something to prove. Especailly for a team like the Dolphins that really has no standout reciever for Cinco to hide behind. The Dolphins need a veteran reciever for all the young guys to measure up against. Cinco can be that guy great opportunity all the way around as the price. Last year the Ireland took a similiar chance on Bush caught a lot of heat on that move and it paid off when the phins were thin at running back. Sounds like most of the issue is that Chad O has a learning disorder of some type while that is not great news that certainly did not keep him from being productive in Cinci with the right coach at the helm. Very obvious just 2 years ago the Pats saw enought talent to shell out some draft picks and big bucks but never investigated well enough to see if he had the tools upstairs to work in the their offense. You have to blame the Pats more than Chad on that move. Shula won a whole lot by changing his game to fit his players talents instead of making his players fit his system maybe Philbin has that bit of Shula in him lets hope so. I liked Tony S. hard worker etc but when he could not shape up his offensive line which was suppose to be his cup of tea that tells you something. Tony S was willing to churn almost all his assistant coached but the offensive line coach where we struggle the most. That was telling too.
 
I think it's a decent move, but would just caution that anyone expecting Johnson to totally reinvent himself in Miami and mend the error of his ways in terms of profile-obsession, route running, discipline, whatever.. is absolutely deluding themselves.

The guy is 34. He's not going to be a superstar WR ever again. He can stick around in the league and be productive, but I doubt the incentive on offer to do so is high enough that he would be bothered reincarnating as a reformed, model player. Not at this stage in his career.

So, you're really hoping that some of the rougher edges will smooth off a bit, more out of him being a bit more chilled than out of any massive dedication to reform. He trains hard, he clearly loves the game, he's an unquestioned athlete. He's bought the t-shirt in terms of experience and production. That, my friends, is what we're getting, but there will be no Damascene conversion. We'll get what we paid for and that is a pretty good deal at $1m.
 
Legadu and chad are probably fighting for the same roster spot IMO

I much rather have chad

No, I disagree...but it depends on which Chad we get... Chad is/was faster than Naanee, but Naanee is more of a physical, inside and crossing WR... I think they are very different and have different games and bring different things to the table. The issue will be whether Chad can get the confidence of the QBs and the coaches given his penchant for either not putting enough time into the playbook or just being a blockhead when it comes to learning the playbook.

One thing that was said that I don't know where is coming from was regarding NEs offense...it's complicated, yes but it's basically a WCO and has been since Weis installed it. Now it's developed and changed with the personnel, but at it's basic scheme, it's a WCO...
 
I think it's a decent move, but would just caution that anyone expecting Johnson to totally reinvent himself in Miami and mend the error of his ways in terms of profile-obsession, route running, discipline, whatever.. is absolutely deluding themselves.

The guy is 34. He's not going to be a superstar WR ever again. He can stick around in the league and be productive, but I doubt the incentive on offer to do so is high enough that he would be bothered reincarnating as a reformed, model player. Not at this stage in his career.

So, you're really hoping that some of the rougher edges will smooth off a bit, more out of him being a bit more chilled than out of any massive dedication to reform. He trains hard, he clearly loves the game, he's an unquestioned athlete. He's bought the t-shirt in terms of experience and production. That, my friends, is what we're getting, but there will be no Damascene conversion. We'll get what we paid for and that is a pretty good deal at $1m.

Yeah agree 13...a leopard doesn't change his spots...and I'd also caution that anyone expecting him to be a mentor to the young guys we have....well, I just don't see that as part of his personality...
 
The Dolphins’ signing of Chad OchoCinco elicited a wide range of reaction around the NFL Tuesday. We’ll start with the positive:

“Watching the Patriots practice three times for the Super Bowl, I was really impressed with Chad,” NBC’s Cris Collinsworth said. “He was much sharper physically than I anticipated. The key is to find things he does well and stick to basic routes.
“I was impressed how Chad handled himself in New England; he was very much a team player. I might have shied away from him after he left Cincinnati, but that experience did him a lot of good. I wouldn’t be worried about him having a negative influence over younger players the way I might have been [when he played with] Terrell Owens in Cincinnati. There’s no downside to this, and if I’m in Miami’s situation, I would have done it, too. If he can’t do it, you can get rid of him. Physically, he has something left. He has this non-stop brain that would call [Bengals coach]Marvin Lewis at 3 in the morning and suggest a play.”

Said CBS’ Phil Simms: “I have no doubt physically, he is still capable of being a solid NFL receiver and have an impact. It’s a really good signing, especially with the situation they are in with receivers. The energy I saw at Bengals practices [before 2011] was awesome, and it was driven by one guy: Chad. Full speed every play.”
After OchoCinco’s first Dolphins practice Tuesday, Sean Smith tweeted, “[No.] 85 still got it!”OchoCinco encouraged people to "tweet Vontae Davis and ask him how I look. They wont [sugar] coat." Davis, asked how he looked on a scale of 1 to 10, tweeted: "10; for not knowing the playbook, he still got it."

As for concerns: “He was overwhelmed by the complexity of New England’s offense,” CBS’ Rich Gannon said. “Tom Brady didn’t have a lot of trust he would be in the right place and do the right thing. You would think a veteran guy could learn a game plan. They kept him around in the offseason program this year and he was still struggling. Now, going to a West Coast offense, he may struggle there.”
Patriots receiver Deion Branch had to tell OchoCinco where to line up during a May 24 practice witnessed by reporters. The Patriots cut him last week.Gannon once asked former Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski why they didn’t move OchoCinco around more, and “Bob said, ‘We don’t want to overload him.’ That tells you right there. He’s not a bad guy. But his extra curricular activities take away from his focus on the game.” But Gannon said in spite of all that, there's no risk to signing him because it's a low-risk, low-money move

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Former Texans general manager Charley Casserly, of NFL Network, said: “He still has enough physical skills to be productive, but route discipline has always been a question. Does Chad get it, at the end of his career, that he has to be a good soldier and it has to be about the team, not him?”

NFL Network’s Joe Thiesmann, noting his problems against Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, said: “He’s got great feet, but when it comes to being physical, he can’t do it. He’s physically not strong enough to get off jams. With OchoCinco, [Brian Hartline, Davone Bess and Legedu Naanee], you have four guys who can be functional.”

One longtime NFL executive told us Tuesday: “The guy ran the wrong route on the first play of a game last year, after you practice it all week. How can you screw that up? With Ryan Tannehill, you want a receiver to be in the right spot to help your young quarterback, and that would concern me with Chad. You’re a new coach trying to build a program there; I wouldn’t have touched him.

### OchoCinco’s former teammate, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, who reportedly needed to sometimes tell OchoCinco where to line up, told Bengals.com: “If I went with Tom Brady and didn’t produce, I’d hang it up. Are you kidding me?”

### OchoCinco, 34, is in great shape and showed quickness during his Dolphins workout Monday. Though he had just 15 catches for 276 yards last season, he is one year removed from a 67-catch, 831-yard season with Cincinnati in 2010, when he also dropped eight passes. If he makes the team, he will earn the veteran’s minimum $925,000, with potential to push that to more than $2 million if he meets incentives such as catching 80 passes, according to Peter King.

### Chad's best tweet from Day One as a Dolphin? He said anyone attending fiancee Evelyn Lozada's book-signing in the Bronx should "tell her to wire me my allowance."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/



It really is a low risk move, but the 2 paragraphs I put in bold do concern me. If Tannehill does play, you don't want a WR out there who's going to be a liability and be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Last thing we need this year is stupid turnovers.
I also tend to agree with Houshmazode. Chad played in a system where guys like Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney excelled, the fact that he did nothing last year really surprised me and concerns me now. I expected him to have a good year.
 
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It really is a low risk move, but the 2 paragraphs I put in bold does concern me. If Tannehill does play, you don't want a WR out there who's going to be a liability and be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Last thing we need this year is stupid turnovers.
I also tend to agree with Houshmazode. Chad played in a system where guys like Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney excelled, the fact that he did nothing last year really surprised me and concerns me now. I expected him to have a good year.
I'd also add the comment from Bratkowski to that list. Chad was in Cincy from 2001-2010 and during that time he only had one OC...Bratkowski. Could Chad really be that dense that they couldn't build on his knowledge of the offense year after year? Purposely not moving him around so they don't "overload" him. You would think after 2 or 3 years the offense would become second nature and you could build onto it.

I'd also like to know what year Houshmanzadeh was telling him where to line up. Housh was there from 2001-2008. Was it early in their careers? Did he have to do it every year? Was he still telling him where to line up in 2008? That would be a huge concern.
 
I'll grant that it is a low risk move that has a chance to pan out but in the end I don't expect that he will make the team. I hope the young guys turn it around and start producing where it is an easy call to let OC go.
 
2012 offseason:

"The Miami Dolphins, Damned if they do, damned if they dont." -Media
yep. even if hell freezes over and we win a super bowl, they'll say things like... "weak schedule" "luck" "well they didnt' go unbeaten..."
 
The Ryan Tannehill angle is the one that has bothered me most since the signing was announced. That bothers me even more than the example he sets for the young receivers.

You could actually paint the example he sets for the young receivers in a positive light, if you try pretty hard. The guy is serious about his work and he does go all out in practices, setting pace and showing high energy, which will be infectious. But at the same time there's no getting around he has some sort of learning disability where he can't learn a playbook, learn complex routes, learn game plans, etc. He'll have to have these same younger players that are supposed to be learning from him take time out of their routine to point out where he should be lining up, what route he should be running, etc. It'll be a drag on them. Still, with the young receivers you could try and paint it as a mixed blessing.

But with a young quarterback? You've got a mouthy Hall of Fame caliber player asking for the ball all the time yet not lining up right, not running the right route, etc? That's going to help Ryan Tannehill get acclimated to the NFL? I'd keep him far, far away from Ryan Tannehill if I were them. This is only going to work out if David Garrard starts the whole year.
 
The Ryan Tannehill angle is the one that has bothered me most since the signing was announced. That bothers me even more than the example he sets for the young receivers.

You could actually paint the example he sets for the young receivers in a positive light, if you try pretty hard. The guy is serious about his work and he does go all out in practices, setting pace and showing high energy, which will be infectious. But at the same time there's no getting around he has some sort of learning disability where he can't learn a playbook, learn complex routes, learn game plans, etc. He'll have to have these same younger players that are supposed to be learning from him take time out of their routine to point out where he should be lining up, what route he should be running, etc. It'll be a drag on them. Still, with the young receivers you could try and paint it as a mixed blessing.

But with a young quarterback? You've got a mouthy Hall of Fame caliber player asking for the ball all the time yet not lining up right, not running the right route, etc? That's going to help Ryan Tannehill get acclimated to the NFL? I'd keep him far, far away from Ryan Tannehill if I were them. This is only going to work out if David Garrard starts the whole year.
or matt moore. he's got a bit of experience with mouthy diva WRs.
 
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