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Barry Jackson: Philbin Suspended Incognito

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Joe states that team discipline is his job. Now we can let go of the notion that somehow it was someone other than Joe that elected to ban Incognito from the team. Whether it was right or not, Incognito was a respected player and his decision made wedge between himself and the players.
 
I'm no Philbin defender, but I don't think he had a choice. He initially didn't recognize ANY problem, said Martin was out on a non-football-related issue, and then all heck broke loose with the leaks.

But in the early stage, I have to wonder if this would have gone public at all if it was handled quickly by the Dolphins. Players are out on teams for all kinds of reasons, and most of the time we're not told why or told there's some sort of vague injury. I'm wondering if they could have just put him on the injury list (I'm sure there's something on him that's hurt, he was injured before), and kept it out of the press, contacted Martin and his parents, and tried to resolve it internally. Martin's side seemed to release an avalanche of information in response to the Dolphins and the media, not initially. So I have to wonder. Maybe Miami stood steadfastly by Incognito's side, and wasn't willing to budge. Then the lawyers got their fangs out.

Lawyers know how to play hardball. And since his mother "litigated employment cases for two decades", they were more than ready to play hardball against Philbin, Ireland, and Incognito, if need be. If a lawyer is holding a better hand than you are, you don't call his bluff. You grovel and work out something behind the scenes.

And no one can convince me that coaches weren't aware of everything with Martin. Everything. They thought they could play hardball and put Martin on unpaid leave and infer it's Martin's issue and has nothing to do with them. Martin's lawyers proved otherwise.

So, in the end, it's just another case, one of many, of how the Dolphin organization fumbles the management of players, and has not been a favored destination for coaches or players around the league, traditionally. The latter situation did improve this year, but now I think we've lost ground again, and reputation. For that alone, Philbin deserves to get fired. Ross didn't ask for this. The least a new regime should do is uphold the team's reputation at all cost.
 
Just get rid of the guy already... Close the chapter on it all and move on. This draft is really deep in O-line. I for one would like to see us beef up our scrawny team with some cornfed.
 
Philbin may have told Incognito that he was suspended but I would bet the decision came from Ross himself on the advice of the corporate attorneys.

The Dolphins will be a very different looking team next year in players, management and coaching.
 
Of course, somebody other than Joe was responsible for something within the organization.
 
Doesn't matter who suspended him the bigger question is what to do with him in a few weeks after the 4 weeks is up. You have two choices, let him play or cut him.
 
Pretty sure if you listened to any of Ross press conference, Philbin had no choice.

First of all let's be clear on one thing, Incognito is a very below average guard. Not like we'll miss him, he sucks.

Second, Ross was very clear on who's side he's on, and he's on Jonathan Martin's side and would prefer to have Jonathan back on the team than Incognito. Incognito has no chance at returning in the Dolphins' facility other than to pick up his things.
 
Philbin/Ross had no choice but suspend richie. Once that vm was leaked, the decision was made for them.
 
Never thought there was a question that Philbin suspended him. Thought it was pretty clear from day one that Joe suspended him.
 
Never thought there was a question that Philbin suspended him. Thought it was pretty clear from day one that Joe suspended him.

I think Hayden is saying it was a bad thing for Philbin to suspend Richie
 
Philbin/Ross had no choice but suspend richie. Once that vm was leaked, the decision was made for them.

Players in this league are arrested and accused of crimes all the time and don't get suspended. So, there's no choice to suspend a guy because he said a bad word? Because the investigation may show that the bad word is the only thing Richie did wrong. Let's not forget that Martin walked out because a bunch of players left the table when he sat down to eat. Maybe the whole OL should have been suspended for that!
 
Pretty sure if you listened to any of Ross press conference, Philbin had no choice.

First of all let's be clear on one thing, Incognito is a very below average guard. Not like we'll miss him, he sucks.

Second, Ross was very clear on who's side he's on, and he's on Jonathan Martin's side and would prefer to have Jonathan back on the team than Incognito. Incognito has no chance at returning in the Dolphins' facility other than to pick up his things.

If what you say is the truth , then its time for Cog to hire his Lawyers the same way Martin did ,and make Miami pay for the next 25 years , because Cog is in no diffrent sisuation then Martin , Martin text the same things back at Cog Martin even told Cog he would kill his Family , and for this to blow up as big as it has is ridiculous , i say Cog knows enough to hang alot of people , and he will ,if they try and hang him out to dry ,i say BOTH Martin and Cog are guilty of text messaging the same stuff to each other , and i say if one gets it (suspended) BOTH Players should get the same treatment , i Guess what has happened in Miami is alot worse than SPEEDING down the Road Messed up on Pot , and could have ran over somebody and killed them ? i mean come on , i say there should be some kind of suspention BUT there blowing this out of puportion , its like Cog has killed somebody , these guys are not kids anymore they are grown men , and they need to act like it , But since we are the Dolphins were getting everything that the NFL can throw at us .......
 
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