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We can move this to the general NFL section soon but I couldn't find a thread on this anywhere. Holy **** did the Bears just fleece the Panthers.

Bears got the Panthers...

1st rounder this year (#9)
2nd round pick (#61)
2024 1st rounder (will be a top 10 pick at least)
2025 2nd rounder
AND DJ F***ING MOORE

And after making the trade the Panthers apparently immediatly let it be known to their beat writers that they would be willing to trade down to recoup some of the cost of move up to #1. Makes very little sense and this is the part that reminds me of the Costner movie.

I'm a fan of Fields and think this trade will set the Bears up big time!
 
Panthers can’t really risk moving down. If Houston wanted the first pick, Chicago would’ve made a deal with them.

Chicago might score big time if Carolina struggles in 2023, which could/should be expected. Jacoby Brissett might be heading there to be the bridge QB/mentor to the No.1 pick (Stroud).

Clearly Houston is comfortable (or just unsure either way) with more than one QB.

In Carolina’s favor is the $19M+ in cap space cleared with Moore’s massive salary.

If 4 QBs go in the top 8, Chicago should be looking at a really talented prospect at 9 but I could see them being interested in another trade down. They have a lot of needs and possibly picking up a pick in 30’s or high 40’s should be on their agenda.

Outside chance Jalen Carter falls to that spot and Chicago swings for the fences.
 
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Honestly I think the Panthers fleeced them if anything.

All they really gave away was 1 1st and 2 2nds and a pro bowl caliber WR who they weren’t going to give another contract and he doesn’t fit into Reichs WR prototype anyway.

I would have done this deal in a heartbeat if I was the Panthers. They had 2 2nds this year and only gave 1 away. The other 2nd is in 2025. They had to give the Bears the 9th pick in any trade to move up anyway so I don’t really see that as giving away a 1st round pick.

So they really gave away 1 1st and 2 2nds spread out over the next 3 drafts and a WR that doesn’t fit what their new staff wants anyway.

Also… I highly doubt that 2024 1st Carolina gave them will be a top 10 pick. The Panthers are going to get their QB for sure now AND the biggest reason why that won’t be a top 10 pick is the division they play in. The NFC South is probably the worst division in football.

Atlanta needs a QB and they’re sitting all the way down at #8. Neither NO or TB has a QB and those 2 teams just happen to also have the worst cap situations in football as they are literally the 2 brokest teams in football money wise. Each of them are 50/60 million OVER the cap so it’s not like either of them are going to be making any huge acquisitions whether in FA or the draft.

I’ll go ahead and predict that Carolina will win the NFC South next year and just like this year… it may not even take a winning record to accomplish this. Carolina now owns the #1 pick and they still have an early 2nd rounder as well. They also have some money to spend in FA.

And the best part about all this if your Carolina is now they own the top pick. So there’s 4 QBs that are considered 1st round worthy this year. If Carolina likes at least 2 or even 3 or all 4… they now have the leverage to go at Houston/Indy/Seattle/Detroit and try to recoup so of that lost capital.

If you’re Carolina and you like 2 or even 3 of those QBs… you could do a deal with Houston and pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to slide back 1 spot or pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd to slide back to 3 with Indy. Theys all kinds of interesting possibilities on the table now if you’re the Panthers and if they’re smart and do this right… we will look back and laugh at how little Chicago actually got out of this deal.

Also if you’re Chicago… by sliding all the way to 9… you just took away any chance at all of getting 1 of the 2 premium defensive players in this draft in Will Anderson and Jalen Carter bc you’re not getting either of them at 9. Chicago should have held this pick right up until 5 minutes before the draft started and they would most certainly have gotten more as desperation would have started to set in for somebody like it always does.

Carolina won this deal by far and away. It’s not even close.
 
Honestly I think the Panthers fleeced them if anything.

All they really gave away was 1 1st and 2 2nds and a pro bowl caliber WR who they weren’t going to give another contract and he doesn’t fit into Reichs WR prototype anyway.

I would have done this deal in a heartbeat if I was the Panthers. They had 2 2nds this year and only gave 1 away. The other 2nd is in 2025. They had to give the Bears the 9th pick in any trade to move up anyway so I don’t really see that as giving away a 1st round pick.

So they really gave away 1 1st and 2 2nds spread out over the next 3 drafts and a WR that doesn’t fit what their new staff wants anyway.

Also… I highly doubt that 2024 1st Carolina gave them will be a top 10 pick. The Panthers are going to get their QB for sure now AND the biggest reason why that won’t be a top 10 pick is the division they play in. The NFC South is probably the worst division in football.

Atlanta needs a QB and they’re sitting all the way down at #8. Neither NO or TB has a QB and those 2 teams just happen to also have the worst cap situations in football as they are literally the 2 brokest teams in football money wise. Each of them are 50/60 million OVER the cap so it’s not like either of them are going to be making any huge acquisitions whether in FA or the draft.

I’ll go ahead and predict that Carolina will win the NFC South next year and just like this year… it may not even take a winning record to accomplish this. Carolina now owns the #1 pick and they still have an early 2nd rounder as well. They also have some money to spend in FA.

And the best part about all this if your Carolina is now they own the top pick. So there’s 4 QBs that are considered 1st round worthy this year. If Carolina likes at least 2 or even 3 or all 4… they now have the leverage to go at Houston/Indy/Seattle/Detroit and try to recoup so of that lost capital.

If you’re Carolina and you like 2 or even 3 of those QBs… you could do a deal with Houston and pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to slide back 1 spot or pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd to slide back to 3 with Indy. Theys all kinds of interesting possibilities on the table now if you’re the Panthers and if they’re smart and do this right… we will look back and laugh at how little Chicago actually got out of this deal.

Also if you’re Chicago… by sliding all the way to 9… you just took away any chance at all of getting 1 of the 2 premium defensive players in this draft in Will Anderson and Jalen Carter bc you’re not getting either of them at 9. Chicago should have held this pick right up until 5 minutes before the draft started and they would most certainly have gotten more as desperation would have started to set in for somebody like it always does.

Carolina won this deal by far and away. It’s not even close.

The deal will look better for Chicago when they are picking in the top 4 next year.

There was going to be no path to Will Anderson for Chicago. There isn’t a lot of consensus with this years class. Not much separating the 5th prospect from the 15th IMO.
 
Present value calculation of “future” picks is add one round for each year removed (e.g. R2.24 is equal to R3.23). The longer a team waits to use the pick, the less the current value.

In that case, for dropping 8 spots, Chicago gets from Carolina the present day value R1.23, R2.23, R3.23, R4.23, and DJ Moore.

Good move for both teams.
 
The deal will look better for Chicago when they are picking in the top 4 next year.

There was going to be no path to Will Anderson for Chicago. There isn’t a lot of consensus with this years class.
Chicago will almost certainly be picking in the top 5 next year but that’s bc it’ll be their own pick…not the one they got from Carolina.

Their was absolutely a path to Anderson and/or Carter. They shouldn’t have made the deal with Carolina if that’s all they were going to get anyway. They could have easily made a deal with Houston and picked up a couple more picks and slid back to 2 and took their choice between Anderson/Carter. Or they could have done the same with Indy at 3 and still had their choice of the 2. They made a horrible deal and it will show as time passes.
 
Honestly I think the Panthers fleeced them if anything.

All they really gave away was 1 1st and 2 2nds and a pro bowl caliber WR who they weren’t going to give another contract and he doesn’t fit into Reichs WR prototype anyway.

I would have done this deal in a heartbeat if I was the Panthers. They had 2 2nds this year and only gave 1 away. The other 2nd is in 2025. They had to give the Bears the 9th pick in any trade to move up anyway so I don’t really see that as giving away a 1st round pick.

So they really gave away 1 1st and 2 2nds spread out over the next 3 drafts and a WR that doesn’t fit what their new staff wants anyway.

Also… I highly doubt that 2024 1st Carolina gave them will be a top 10 pick. The Panthers are going to get their QB for sure now AND the biggest reason why that won’t be a top 10 pick is the division they play in. The NFC South is probably the worst division in football.

Atlanta needs a QB and they’re sitting all the way down at #8. Neither NO or TB has a QB and those 2 teams just happen to also have the worst cap situations in football as they are literally the 2 brokest teams in football money wise. Each of them are 50/60 million OVER the cap so it’s not like either of them are going to be making any huge acquisitions whether in FA or the draft.

I’ll go ahead and predict that Carolina will win the NFC South next year and just like this year… it may not even take a winning record to accomplish this. Carolina now owns the #1 pick and they still have an early 2nd rounder as well. They also have some money to spend in FA.

And the best part about all this if your Carolina is now they own the top pick. So there’s 4 QBs that are considered 1st round worthy this year. If Carolina likes at least 2 or even 3 or all 4… they now have the leverage to go at Houston/Indy/Seattle/Detroit and try to recoup so of that lost capital.

If you’re Carolina and you like 2 or even 3 of those QBs… you could do a deal with Houston and pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to slide back 1 spot or pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd to slide back to 3 with Indy. Theys all kinds of interesting possibilities on the table now if you’re the Panthers and if they’re smart and do this right… we will look back and laugh at how little Chicago actually got out of this deal.

Also if you’re Chicago… by sliding all the way to 9… you just took away any chance at all of getting 1 of the 2 premium defensive players in this draft in Will Anderson and Jalen Carter bc you’re not getting either of them at 9. Chicago should have held this pick right up until 5 minutes before the draft started and they would most certainly have gotten more as desperation would have started to set in for somebody like it always does.

Carolina won this deal by far and away. It’s not even close.
You certainly painted a different picture than i originally thought. To me Carolina would have possibly won the trade if Moore wasn't involved. Your talking about one of the best deep threats in football who's put up 1000+ yard seasons with awful qbs. Who knows what he will be with Fields Cannon of an arm.
 
We can move this to the general NFL section soon but I couldn't find a thread on this anywhere. Holy **** did the Bears just fleece the Panthers.

Bears got the Panthers...

1st rounder this year (#9)
2nd round pick (#61)
2024 1st rounder (will be a top 10 pick at least)
2025 2nd rounder
AND DJ F***ING MOORE

And after making the trade the Panthers apparently immediatly let it be known to their beat writers that they would be willing to trade down to recoup some of the cost of move up to #1. Makes very little sense and this is the part that reminds me of the Costner movie.

I'm a fan of Fields and think this trade will set the Bears up big time!
It depends on if fields continues to develop. His passing still has to get a lot better. If fields doesn't get much better from here, and bryce young looks better and a franchise qb for panthers (I think they are gonna go with him over stroud), but either way, if young or stroud look good. If that happens, when bears could have drafted young or stroud, then it will look bad for bears
 
You certainly painted a different picture than i originally thought. To me Carolina would have possibly won the trade if Moore wasn't involved. Your talking about one of the best deep threats in football who's put up 1000+ yard seasons with awful qbs. Who knows what he will be with Fields Cannon of an arm.
I live about 50 miles from Charlotte so I’m pretty in tune with Carolina bc I live around a bunch of their fans. DJ Moore does not fit what Reich wants and believe it or not he’s not as big a fan favorite as what you’d think.

Yes he’s put up some good numbers especially considering his QBs lately but again… he doesn’t fit Reichs WR prototype and they had been shopping him around all offseason. So my point is… he was going anyway.

I’m not laughing at you but I am laughing at the notion of Justin Fields and his passing abilities. The kid is electric with his feet but that’s all he is. He is a poor man’s Lamar Jackson. He’s already missing games bc if injury bc they run him as if he’s built like Cam Newton or Ben Roethlisberger and he’s not.

He played 15 games last season and he only attempted MORE than 25 passes in a game 3 times and in those 3 games he attempted 25/27/28. If his arm is so great why would they not let him throw more? Maybe bc his OL is downright awful as they allowed him to be sacked 55 times.
He also only completed 60.4% of his passes over those 15 games and as I said… only attempted more than 25 passes in a game 3 times.

Look… I’m not trying to knock the kid I’m really not bc he’s not in a great situation. Chicago is where QBs go to die as it’s a QB graveyard. Chicago keeps drafting QBs hoping to strike gold but what they haven’t figured out is… it doesn’t matter who they draft… until they switch their culture from that rugged old school defense wins championships mentality they’re going to continue to kill talented QBs. They need a modern day philosophy. Much like what we underwent last season.

Ross finally realized it takes weapons and offense is what puts people in the stands. Yards points big plays… that’s the way the game is played today. Until Chicago accepts this… they will continue to suck hard year in and year out.

They’re trying to put some weapons around him but it seems like they’re just throwing darts at the board and hoping. The 2nd rounder they acquired at the deadline for RoQuan from Baltimore they turned right around the same day and sent it to Pittsburgh for Chase Claypool. Now they acquire another guy (DJ Moore) who has some skills but his former team has been shopping him. What’s that tell you? Claypool and Moore couldn’t be more different from a prototype standpoint. Again… it seems as if Chicago is just throwing darts hoping to hit the bullseye. It doesn’t feel like they have a plan or specific player types they’re looking for.

All this equals a very rough and rather short lived career for the very talented but super unlucky Justin Fields.
 
If I'm Chicago, I take this every single time that I'm not drafting a QB. They gained an extra 1, two 2s, and a player... to move down 8 spots. Great deal for them.

If I'm Carolina, I pay this every day, and all day because... I don't have a QB, and now they get their choice.

Both teams won this deal... and the price was QB bounty.
 
Chicago will almost certainly be picking in the top 5 next year but that’s bc it’ll be their own pick…not the one they got from Carolina.

Their was absolutely a path to Anderson and/or Carter. They shouldn’t have made the deal with Carolina if that’s all they were going to get anyway. They could have easily made a deal with Houston and picked up a couple more picks and slid back to 2 and took their choice between Anderson/Carter. Or they could have done the same with Indy at 3 and still had their choice of the 2. They made a horrible deal and it will show as time passes.

I wouldn’t say certainly. They can score points, and that was before this free agent season.

Justin Fields is a handful by himself.

I’ll bet anyone that they won’t have a top 5 pick, thats their own.
 
I live about 50 miles from Charlotte so I’m pretty in tune with Carolina bc I live around a bunch of their fans. DJ Moore does not fit what Reich wants and believe it or not he’s not as big a fan favorite as what you’d think.

Yes he’s put up some good numbers especially considering his QBs lately but again… he doesn’t fit Reichs WR prototype and they had been shopping him around all offseason. So my point is… he was going anyway.

I’m not laughing at you but I am laughing at the notion of Justin Fields and his passing abilities. The kid is electric with his feet but that’s all he is. He is a poor man’s Lamar Jackson. He’s already missing games bc if injury bc they run him as if he’s built like Cam Newton or Ben Roethlisberger and he’s not.

He played 15 games last season and he only attempted MORE than 25 passes in a game 3 times and in those 3 games he attempted 25/27/28. If his arm is so great why would they not let him throw more? Maybe bc his OL is downright awful as they allowed him to be sacked 55 times.
He also only completed 60.4% of his passes over those 15 games and as I said… only attempted more than 25 passes in a game 3 times.

Look… I’m not trying to knock the kid I’m really not bc he’s not in a great situation. Chicago is where QBs go to die as it’s a QB graveyard. Chicago keeps drafting QBs hoping to strike gold but what they haven’t figured out is… it doesn’t matter who they draft… until they switch their culture from that rugged old school defense wins championships mentality they’re going to continue to kill talented QBs. They need a modern day philosophy. Much like what we underwent last season.

Ross finally realized it takes weapons and offense is what puts people in the stands. Yards points big plays… that’s the way the game is played today. Until Chicago accepts this… they will continue to suck hard year in and year out.

They’re trying to put some weapons around him but it seems like they’re just throwing darts at the board and hoping. The 2nd rounder they acquired at the deadline for RoQuan from Baltimore they turned right around the same day and sent it to Pittsburgh for Chase Claypool. Now they acquire another guy (DJ Moore) who has some skills but his former team has been shopping him. What’s that tell you? Claypool and Moore couldn’t be more different from a prototype standpoint. Again… it seems as if Chicago is just throwing darts hoping to hit the bullseye. It doesn’t feel like they have a plan or specific player types they’re looking for.

All this equals a very rough and rather short lived career for the very talented but super unlucky Justin Fields.
Yea you definitely seem way more in tune with this situation than most and you have swayed my thinking alot. I'll be the first to admit I don't spend equal time focusing on the NFC compaired to the AFC. After reading your clearly well thought out and researched posts I don't think it was that bad of a deal for Carolina as I felt when I read the trade for the first time. Well done.
 
If I'm Chicago, I take this every single time that I'm not drafting a QB. They gained an extra 1, two 2s, and a player... to move down 8 spots. Great deal for them.

If I'm Carolina, I pay this every day, and all day because... I don't have a QB, and now they get their choice.

Both teams won this deal... and the price was QB bounty.
TBH, I don’t think it was that steep a price to move up from 9th to 1st. Heck, “experts” had the Colts giving up three 1sts (including the 4th pick this year) to get the 1st pick from the Bears. There are 2 very good QB prospects in this draft. Not to mention 2 guys with crazy arms and boom or bust potential. If I’m either team I walk away from that trade 100% happy.
 
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