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Beck's problems are mental?

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I thought this was an interesting opinion from Jeff Darlington in his Q&A:

Q: Hi Jeff, I'd like your opinion on this if you don't mind. Do you feel as I do that because John Beck was in a spread offense in college, that is the reason he is having so much trouble when people are in his face? It seems that from all the reports I hear from camp, Beck throws a beautiful ball when nobody is around him or if he is under absolutely NO pressure. Personally, I'm rooting for Henne instead of the Stormin Mormon
Answered 08/01/08 15:51:32 by Jeff Darlington
A: You are indeed correct, Mike, that Beck does come from a spread offense, which is a system that sometimes tends to overstates a quarterback's actual ability when translated to the NFL level. But I'd actually argue that something like Beck's height (or lack of height) actually contributes more to what you're talking about than the college he played in during college. Even his height, though, is something he is capable of overcoming. Beyond those issues, I'd really like to see John simply chill out. I'm sensing that he's starting to press too much, and he seems to be really letting that three-second buzzer (used to simulate when the pocket would close) get into his head. The coaches are berating him every time he doesn't get rid of the ball on time, and it's causing him to lose focus, in my opinion. It's time for Beck to remember what kind of pure passer he's capable of being. Believe me, he has the passing talent -- and we're not seeing it right now. Jay Feely once told me something about his kicking game that could help John. Feely said he thinks only about two things before every kick. He doesn't think about where the kick is going to go, and he doesn't think about whether it's going to be good. He simply thinks about the process from foot to ball. He puts himself into an imaganary box with no distractions around him. No crowd. No defensive line. Nothing. Because quite frankly, all of those things are out of his control. This is easier said than done, but I really believe John needs to find a mental zone that he has yet to enter. My point is this: I think Beck's issues right now are mental. Not physical. So before this competition ends, I think it's going to be important for John to gain peace rather than desperate. Then, perhaps he'll settle into the quarterback these coaches know he can be.

http://www.miamiherald.com/qna/forum/ask_jeff/index.html
 
certainly sounds possible, he needs something, whatever works
 
Agreed.

He reminds me of Eli Manning in that respect. He needs to find the confidence to play at ease. If he can, he will be a fine QB. If not...

Btw, I think Hagan is his Jeremy Shockey. This is from limited observation, with not great evidence, I will admit, but just as Shockey and Eli's relationship was detrimental to Manning's development, I feel Hagan-Beck is not helpful to Beck.

Last season, after Beck threw his first TD pass to Hagan, Beck ran towards him to celebrate, and Hagan seemed to blow him off. Then this training camp there was a mention of Hagan screaming at him after a pass. Becks next pass was thrown into the ground....a sure sign of being tight.

Others are actually at camp and can see the relationship more clearly. Is there any truth to my read?

...and, yes, I know. Beck is going to have to be able to deal with such pressure if he is going to play in the NFL, but some players need to be handled differently than others to get to the point where they can handle it better.
 
Beck's biggest problem is that his LT should be on the right side, and RT should be on the left side. I mean who's giving up sacks and who isn't?
 
Beck's biggest problem is that his LT should be on the right side, and RT should be on the left side. I mean who's giving up sacks and who isn't?
He sure isn't giving up sacks when Henne is back there though. Maybe helping his Wolverine brother get the starting job over Beck?

I'm kidding. Let's see how many people get pissed over this.
 
Becks problems are his physical skills. He simply dosent have what it takes to play QB in the NFL. He dosent have the moxie to make plays against NFL caliber rushers and the speed, strength, and quickness of an NFL defense. He dosent process the information quick enough, dosent move well enough in the pocket vs. that level of skill, and dosent have the arm to counter all of that speed and skill. He lacks the courage to make quick decisions and go with them, mainly because when he does it turns out really bad because in that short amount of time he makes the incorrect decision and/or makes a bad throw as well when under such pressure to act so quickly.

Again, if youre playing flag football in the yard, playing against defenses along the level of talent in the MWC, or just tossing around in the yard, then John Beck would be a great selection as your QB. Give him all day to throw, make him comfortable, give him much superior talent to what the defense has, and dont rush any decisions from him and he's great. But, this is the NFL. Teams arent going to give him that luxury.

But, if youre playing an NFL game in a real situation(like a regular season game where the opposing team has something to play for still, like a playoff spot) then forget about taking Beck. He will drop snaps, hold the ball too long in the pocket and take sacks, fumble when taking hits, make poor decisions on where to throw, and make bad throws. Resulting in a large number of turnovers, sacks, drives that go nowhere, frustrating your entire offensive unit, forcing your defense to play most of the game, and resulting in ALOT of losses. Basically playing Beck will take your team to complete **** and everyone on the team will get pissed. Hostitility will break out amoungst team members and leaders will want to jump ship and go dancing and get traded.

Its not hard to figure this stuff out guys.
 
It's ironic because I always figured that he'd be one of those quarterbacks that would be very good in the mental aspect of the game to make up for some of his lack of abilities.
 
wv, i'm not quite understanding your stance, can you clarify just a little, your kinda vague.
 
Beck's biggest problem is that his LT should be on the right side, and RT should be on the left side. I mean who's giving up sacks and who isn't?

Another example of blame being put everywhere but where the real problem lies.
 
Becks problems are his physical skills. He simply dosent have what it takes to play QB in the NFL. He dosent have the moxie to make plays against NFL caliber rushers and the speed, strength, and quickness of an NFL defense. He dosent process the information quick enough, dosent move well enough in the pocket vs. that level of skill, and dosent have the arm to counter all of that speed and skill. He lacks the courage to make quick decisions and go with them, mainly because when he does it turns out really bad because in that short amount of time he makes the incorrect decision and/or makes a bad throw as well when under such pressure to act so quickly.

Again, if youre playing flag football in the yard, playing against defenses along the level of talent in the MWC, or just tossing around in the yard, then John Beck would be a great selection as your QB. Give him all day to throw, make him comfortable, give him much superior talent to what the defense has, and dont rush any decisions from him and he's great. But, this is the NFL. Teams arent going to give him that luxury.

But, if youre playing an NFL game in a real situation(like a regular season game where the opposing team has something to play for still, like a playoff spot) then forget about taking Beck. He will drop snaps, hold the ball too long in the pocket and take sacks, fumble when taking hits, make poor decisions on where to throw, and make bad throws. Resulting in a large number of turnovers, sacks, drives that go nowhere, frustrating your entire offensive unit, forcing your defense to play most of the game, and resulting in ALOT of losses. Basically playing Beck will take your team to complete **** and everyone on the team will get pissed. Hostitility will break out amoungst team members and leaders will want to jump ship and go dancing and get traded.

Its not hard to figure this stuff out guys.

If you can figure this out then don't you think the coaching staff let alone Bill Parcells would of figured out this mutany by now and cut him. No, they have kept him around to compete because they know he has the physical tools to do the job.
 
If you can figure this out then don't you think the coaching staff let alone Bill Parcells would of figured out this mutany by now and cut him. No, they have kept him around to compete because they know he has the physical tools to do the job.

Ryan Leaf had the physical tools too, as well as Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, etc.
 
If you can figure this out then don't you think the coaching staff let alone Bill Parcells would of figured out this mutany by now and cut him. No, they have kept him around to compete because they know he has the physical tools to do the job.

Trust me. They HAVE figured it out too. But, seriously, what do you want them to do about it? Sign Quincy Carter? No way. I dont understand why they havent gotten Simms in here but, hey they might not want him either. No use cutting Beck as of now. As long as he dosent take the field in games that count its irrelevant anyway.
 
Ryan Leaf had the physical tools too, as well as Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, etc.

Obviously every quarterback that gets drafted has the tools or they wouldn't be in the NFL, but according to other posters on here he doesn't even have that, I disagree. Does he have the edge and the confidence to do what it takes? Right now it looks like no but to say that everyone on the team hates him is outrageous.
 
I could be wrong, but didn't Brees start out slow with San Diego? My understanding is that it takes about 3 years for someone to get use to the speed of the NFL. Not making excuses for Beck, but this is only his second year. I believe he has the tools to be successful, it's just a matter of time. But for some, especially here, it's not quick enough.
 
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