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Would Grier have been better, sticking with what we had, rather than trading for Hill, Chubb and Ramsey? What roster may have looked like :-

QB Tua

HB Achane

FB Ingold

WR Waddle

WR Malik Washington

TE Johnu Smith / Smyth

LT Armstead

LG Liam Eichenberg

C Aaron Brewer

RG Robert Hunt

RT Austin Jackson



S Jevon Holland

S Brandon Jones

Cb Kendall Fuller

Cb Kader Kohou

Cb noah Ingbinoghene

Mlb Jordan Brooks

Mlb Anthony Walker

Olb Jaelen Phillips/chop Robinson

Olb Van Ginkel

Dt Zach Sieler

Dt Christian Wilkins

Picks taken with following trades-

Tyreek Hill: CB Trent McDuffie, WR Skyy Moore, IOL Darian Kinnard, WR Rashee Rice, and DT Keondre Coburn.

Chubb trade: DT Bryan Bresee & TE AJ Barner

Ramsey trade: LB Byron Young

Not including my biggest gripe with CG, choosing Waddle over Sewell.
 
I was wrong for being against Hill trade when it was made on principle of trading that much draft capital for a nearly 30 old WR. I expected him to be awesome for the first couple seasons and then fall off in his 30s like any human being.

That being said, I posted in 2023 that I was happy to be wrong on the Tyreek trade because of the added value that I didn’t anticipate from the swagger and confidence he brought to Tua’s game. Everyone talks about McDaniel face timing Tua but he was unknown. Tyreek is an elite WR that just played in 2 SBs with the best QB in game and immediately called Tua out as most accurate QB before they played a game together. Tua needed that imo.

I was against Chubb trade because he’s always hurt. He had an elite rookie season but Ogbah had better stats over the next 4 seasons. That’s counting Ogbah was IR’d and missed most of a season with back issues too. Fangio even poked about that when they asked if he was happy to coach Chubb again and he was like (paraphrased) I barely got to coach him. Fast forward and he’s still hurt.

Ramsey was an awesome trade. He forced his way to Dolphins and has been totally worth the pick and contract. Y’all crazy if you think otherwise. He hustles and lays the wood. For all his warts, Poyer hits too. Holland, Kader, and Fuller are all soft.
 
In hindsight the Ramsey trade is still one I’m making every time. A third round pick + Hunter Long for a 28-year old CB who was arguably the best in football at the time? Sign me up for that any time.

We were all excited about Hill. He’s been disappointing this season and disappointing in big games in general since he’s been here. Still was a huge part of some of the most exciting moments in Dolphins football over the last few decades of misery. I’d probably take the picks back if I could though.

Chubb was a poor move. They really thought they were 1 piece away at the time of the trade. Giving up a 1+ for an injury prone player needing a new contract, and giving him that new contract only for a major injury to occur…… yeah.
 
Atila said:
Hindsight is 20-20, as they say.

I’d prefer we look forward, nothing we can do about the past.
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You may not be able to do anything about the past, but the past should teach you, so you have to look at it.

For example Ross should look at the past and then realize Grier was a massive mistake and then correct that mistake.
 
normaniii said:
Would Grier have been better, sticking with what we had, rather than trading for Hill, Chubb and Ramsey? What roster may have looked like :-

QB Tua

HB Achane

FB Ingold

WR Waddle

WR Malik Washington

TE Johnu Smith / Smyth

LT Armstead

LG Liam Eichenberg

C Aaron Brewer

RG Robert Hunt

RT Austin Jackson



S Jevon Holland

S Brandon Jones

Cb Kendall Fuller

Cb Kader Kohou

Cb noah Ingbinoghene

Mlb Jordan Brooks

Mlb Anthony Walker

Olb Jaelen Phillips/chop Robinson

Olb Van Ginkel

Dt Zach Sieler

Dt Christian Wilkins

Picks taken with following trades-

Tyreek Hill: CB Trent McDuffie, WR Skyy Moore, IOL Darian Kinnard, WR Rashee Rice, and DT Keondre Coburn.

Chubb trade: DT Bryan Bresee & TE AJ Barner

Ramsey trade: LB Byron Young

Not including my biggest gripe with CG, choosing Waddle over Sewell.
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An argument can be made the roster would be better, if Grier had not made any of those trades.
 
What is the point of the thread, that Grier should have drafted the talent instead of trading for talent, and should have drafted better?
Duh.
 
dan the fin said:
You may not be able to do anything about the past, but the past should teach you, so you have to look at it.

For example Ross should look at the past and then realize Grier was a massive mistake and then correct that mistake.
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That’s different. We should be looking at his results… but going through and REVISING the past? Waste of time
 
I think Grier is one of the better drafters in the league but never understood the Chubb trade or the recent Ramsey extension.. he gets in trouble when he hands out big contracts or trades high picks for a player.. he does well bargain hunting etc jhonnu, Mostert, Brewer, Lamm ,Cambell , Brooks.. if we can stop him from handing out big contracts to non drafted players and let him cook drafting and bargain hunting I think the Dolphins would have been a lot better off.. he was right in extending Sieler , letting Wilkins and Hunt go for the money but he screwed up on Van Ginkel and Brandon Jones.. he wouldn't have been expensive .. Van Ginkel would of been our LB version of Seiler
 
Hill took his game and our team to another level when he got here, but I did not like the trade when it was made. It was early in the process for that much draft capital, that much money, and the outside noise Tyreek brings to a team.

The Chubb trade was also unnecessary and I like many others felt we should have pursued Roquan Smith instead for much less draft capital and money and that he would have improved our team much more. Elite MLB's will always be worth it as they affect so many plays.

The Ramsey deal I was and still am fine with.
 
In theory, the value of some of these trades weren't terrible. What was terrible was the fact that we were acquiring expensive, older and in some cases, injury prone players. This killed our cap space. We should have been looking to draft those players. If we could have identified that top talent in the draft, we could have used those picks on those guys.
 
Dynastybuilder said:
Hill took his game and our team to another level when he got here, but I did not like the trade when it was made.
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Did he though? He came up small in every big moment. Most of his success was against bottom feeders.

He didn’t move the needle in W/L column. Which is something he has in common with Chubb and Ramsey.

All 3 deals are failures IMO.
 
The Ghost said:
Did he though? He came up small in every big moment. Most of his success was against bottom feeders.

He didn’t move the needle in W/L column. Which is something he has in common with Chubb and Ramsey.

All 3 deals are failures IMO.
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Yes. Agree. To me that’s the measuring stick.
 
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