Bills looking to jump Dolphins for a QB?

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  1. hoops

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    I don't think 21 plus 12 gets you to 4 if they know you are coming for a qb...seems to me that's a little light

    but maybe if Cleveland is willing to trade out once they get their qb at 1 if that's the route they are going...I think you'd have strong competition and a stronger offer though to trump that
     
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    The Browns just traded wentz to the eagles last year it won’t happen again. The owner will force the GM to draft a qb at 2 sorry for your excitement. Maybe you guys can get Barkley at 3. The eagles kind of messed up the bills plan last year by making the browns get diaper rash last year
     
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    Ok they take a QB which will be Darnold. Then cool less to pay. Move to 3 and take Rosen.

    If CLE passes on Barkley NYG wont.
     
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    I agree the Bills are going up there, but I think you're being naive on the cost. It will be significantly more than you think. Rosen could easily be like Jim Kelly there.

    And cost prohibitive for Miami.

    Glad to hear about the dome. That will considerably reduce the home field advantage they enjoy in December.
     
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    **UPDATE**

    Bills are and have been on the phones all day today with Colts and Giants.

    Want to get to 2 or 3 by the end of today.
     
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    why are you going to top 2 or 3 for rosen? is there someone you are afraid at 5 or 6 or Cleveland at 4 trading out to highest bidder will trump you for him?

    just making sure you get your guy I guess

    there's no doubt in my mind pre snap and progression read and ball placement he's the best in the class
     
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    Gonna take
    22+12
    2nd
    3rd (65)

    According to chart is an overpay already for 2 overall
     
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    The Bills LOVE Rosen. He is their TGT and want to make sure they get their guy.

    Scared of Denver and Jets
     
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    Not even sure that a team will want Tannehill, not because of ability and talent, but he hasn’t played a meaningful NFL game in almost two years. It’s a tough sell.

    That aside, I just don’t want us to lose anymore talent for that big wind up of the typical Tannenbaum splash move. It’s one thing giving up the farm, but another thing altogether also giving up the acres of land that the farm rests upon.
     
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    I give you credit for knowing that tyrod taylor stuff was a waste of time well before anyone else did...pre snap and progression read is the way to go...has the longest shelf life and I'm a full believer it's by far the best way to go about the position and offense provided you have a qb that can execute it

    and contrary to public and draft time opinion they don't grow on trees
     
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    Correct.

    Give me smarts and ball placement anytime over top arm and the other stuff people fall in love with.
     
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    denvers the only one I can think of that might actually want tannehill in front of us...I think though if teams studied his tape more would be

    but Denver wants to win now and that age with their best players doesn't have much longer a window and tanny comes in more ready than any of these draft options...the medical though the obvious hiccup
     
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    Totally agree with you.

    No way would I gamble losing Barkley, just grab him and don’t think twice about it. They will still be able to score a quality young QB at 4 no matter what happens around them.

    I’d be shocked if they do anything else, unless one of the QB-starved teams pushing to move up pulls a Godfather on them, and makes them an offer they can’t refuse.
     
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    Take a look at what the Skins paid for RGIII. All bets are off when a qb is in play. The Skins were only coming from six and had to give up three ones and at least a two.

    Your two ones is a good start. But you’d have to give up two 2’s, two 3’s etc to get all the way from 12.

    This isn’t like Miami coming from 12 to 3 for Dion Jordan. It depends on the player too.
     
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    you gonna pay me more than that if you coming from 12 to 2 for a qb or im gonna have a for sale sign out to every other team

    and I also know that next years class in a lot of ways means you better get it now...which is why im gonna demand your 2019 first also
     
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    I like RT too. Just scsred of the INJ right now
     
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    Look at the chart and what Philly gave for Wentz.
     
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    I would give up 2019 1st if needed to get my QB. That class is trash next year.
     
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    yeah he probably has to play a year without medical for anyone to really trade for him...outside of a long shot at Denver I'd say...whole things seems highly unlikely to me though
     
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    Yeah, I can see Denver. Elway and Tannehill seem like a really good union, especially for what he wants and covets in a QB. I know that Demaryius and Emmanuel would be licking their chops to see it happen.

    But yeah, the medical issue is that one big hurdle that haults that scenario.
     
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    yeah I know and that's why the competition is gonna be STIFF

    I'm interested in the nc state kid in 2019 but that's for a different time...
     
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    If I'm Cleveland and the Bills move to two and I KNOW they want Rosen I'm calling them. I'm asking how much do they want to give us not to take him and to switch picks
     
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    Well, Rosen looks like a concussion waiting to happen. He's my top overall, as well, but damn these QB's are getting hyped.
     
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    And thats fine. I was willing to sell the house to get up.

    Maybe Beane has spoiled me a Bit getting 65 and 2nd round value for two players that wherr not going to be on the Bills at the end of the week.
     
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    Not real wild about the 2019 crop of potential QB’s either. 2021 is the year that I’d want to be a major player in the QB market, and I would give up a lot for a shot at getting Tua Tagovailoa. That kid looks special.
     
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    Dont you think they already talked this stuff prior to Trading Taylor (i know 4 was discussed NOT as part of the Taylor trade) but part of the converstions during that trade talk.

    If ANY FO knows what CLE is thinking Bills are one
     
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    I'm with you on tua

    I only saw him for a half and I was like damn that looks like drew brees

    its gonna help him if guys like baker Mayfield at that size have success...but tua yeah I buy into that already
     
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    you should be...without a qb you got nothing

    you know I've been saying that to you for years
     
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    Did no one read my “Would you do this trade?” thread last week? Looks like Buffalo is just like us - love Rosen and know they have to go to 2 to get him. Looks to me that they have the ammo and we don’t with what they can offer on draft picks and with us sending Landry to Cleveland.

    But if you see my thread, yeah guys it’ll take a lot of picks to move up that high in a QB draft, no doubt. I said we give the G men Landry in a sign and trade, swap 1st rd picks this year, give them our 2nd this year, 1st next year and a 2nd in 2020 and you thought I was nuts but that’s what you’re looking at to move up. Turns out, we just can’t do it.

    There is one thing we may have over the Bills though: our future draft picks look like they’ll be higher in each round than the Bills so Tannenbaum may get to do this yet. And the way we’re going, MUCH higher in each round.
     
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    Whats funny heard from a friend. CLE gave 65 to Bills in the TT trade instead of a lower value pick for assurances that if they Trade up to 2 or 3 they would not take Allen.

    That points to what I said eariler

    1. Barkley
    4. Allen

    And why they tried for Alex Smith and Got Taylor. They know Allen isnt ready for year 1
     
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    the combine looked like it was a parade for two players to be the top pick...barkley and allen

    I just think clevelands playing a dangerous game if they wait til 4 on the qb...yeah indy is probably dead set on Bradley chubb at 3 and for good reason but if everyone knows your intentions and they want one of those qbs I cant imagine indys not listening

    I love that last point
     
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    I get it. But if their too Choice is Allen and go Barkely 1st.

    Bills come up there is Rosen

    Indy even if they move out is someone coming up here for Allen with Darnold and Mayfield? I would doubt it.
     
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    BFIP, what do the Bills think of Darnold? Good consolation prize at #2 should Rosen go 1st or are they dead set on Rosen?
     
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    what you are saying makes sense I'm just surprised darnold is gonna see 5...Mayfield seeing 5 does not surprise me

    I said it earlier here that 6 foot and a half and 4.85 from a spread system doesn't get drafted top 10...in any prior class

    so that one would shock me

    it helps that the philly qb just won a bowl running the rpo heavy based o and he can't run any better than 4.85
     
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    Love Rosen
    Really Like Mayfield
    Like Darnold just a little less.

    That is why their goal is to get at least to 3. They will get one of the three.

    Rosen is by far their top QB

    Mayfield and Darnold 2-3 but not much seperation between the two.
     
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    nfl network was saying to get into the top 4 or 5 the bills would have to start by offering their 1 and 2 this year plus their first in 2019 and that'd be just for a team to even want to listen

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    so say it plays out like bills fan says it will top 4

    cle barkley
    buf rosen
    indy chubb
    cle allen

    I woukd think Elway would pine for the pro style prototype size option in darnold should he lose out on cousins

    if he lands cousins then I think teams beg borrow and steal to get up there for mr intangibles sam darnold

    which leaves the jets at 6 potentially in the baker Mayfield market...maybe

    what that does in terms of none qb top 6 picks is help Miami though have a non qb position player fall to us or even a slight trade up to ensure one...if we get to 7 and minkah derwin Edmunds, smith, nelson davenport denzel ward who am I missing? are still on the board we look to be in good shape
     
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    They're doing all this only to select a offensive tackle or linebacker or perhaps defensive tackle.
     
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