Bradley Chubb

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I don't know why you keep saying this is some smart move. GMS all around the league make moves like this all the time, and a lot end up being bad decisions.

Grier is leveraging future money for now. Which can be a great move if it leads to at minimum an appearance in AFC champ. Grier leveraged future assets to go out and overpay to get guys like Chubb which has turned into a absolutely shittastic move. Good GMs don't make moves like that Chubb deal unless he is viewed as a missing piece for a long run, we weren't their yet, Grier ****ed the rebuild.

What Grier is doing now carries a lot of risk. He is yet again leveraging future assets (money) for immediate help. In my opinion that extra space for this year won't help enough to fill the massive holes Grier has already created. He is trying to dig himself out of a hole he created.

And again in my opinion, Grier absolutely should have been fired (was never qualified for the job to start with) and the new GM probably would just take some lumps now to shed guys like TA off the roster and take the cap hit right away to try and do a 1/2 year flip of the roster.

The most likely scenario is Grier spends that future money now, we still don't make the playoffs or bounced in the 1st and we are worse of on 26 cap space. And if that happens then what Grier is doing with TA deal was a crap move.

So you're a "no". That's fine

 

[Etuoo33]

I don't know why you keep saying this is some smart move. GMS all around the league make moves like this all the time, and a lot end up being bad decisions.

Grier is leveraging future money for now. Which can be a great move if it leads to at minimum an appearance in AFC champ. Grier leveraged future assets to go out and overpay to get guys like Chubb which has turned into a absolutely shittastic move. Good GMs don't make moves like that Chubb deal unless he is viewed as a missing piece for a long run, we weren't their yet, Grier ****ed the rebuild.

What Grier is doing now carries a lot of risk. He is yet again leveraging future assets (money) for immediate help. In my opinion that extra space for this year won't help enough to fill the massive holes Grier has already created. He is trying to dig himself out of a hole he created.

And again in my opinion, Grier absolutely should have been fired (was never qualified for the job to start with) and the new GM probably would just take some lumps now to shed guys like TA off the roster and take the cap hit right away to try and do a 1/2 year flip of the roster.

The most likely scenario is Grier spends that future money now, we still don't make the playoffs or bounced in the 1st and we are worse of on 26 cap space. And if that happens then what Grier is doing with TA deal was a crap move.

Waaa, waaa, waaa...More hindsight 'pearls of wisdom'

 

[dan the fin]

Waaa, waaa, waaa...More hindsight 'pearls of wisdom'

It is not waa waa. It is stating those moves failed. And now a poster keeps asking why we are not giving Grier credit for creating cap space on the TA deal. Why would we give him credit for basically borrowing future money to spend now? We every move he has done in the past like this has failed in the end. 90% of the board was against the Chubb deal. And the main reason was we weren't a Chubb deal away from being a contender. That deal gave us nothing at all overall immediately and caused massive problems in the future. We were in the middle of a rebuild and Grier jumped the gun.

So are you telling me you trust Grier with this new cap space he created for 25, which will in turn lower are cap space in the future, to actually put a SB contender on the field in 25?

 

[dan the fin]

So you're a "no". That's fine

No I am a we will see. It is only a good move if that money leads to Miami being a legit SB contender in 25. If we remain the same as the last couple years it is just another massive fail.

But you keep say are you guys going to give Grier credit for the TA restructure? Why would we? It was an easy move to execute to create money now by sacrificing future money. He gets credit if he creates a SB contender with that money. But his past doesn't give confidence. Extended Howard, traded for Chubb, signing a injury prone LT to big money. Thise were all moves to been a SB contender while sacrificing youth and future cap flexibility for the now and we got nowhere.

 

[zucca]

I'm still trying to figure out; if Armstead and Chubb are not post June, why didn't we use it on Fuller?

 

[fansinceGWilson]

It is not waa waa. It is stating those moves failed. And now a poster keeps asking why we are not giving Grier credit for creating cap space on the TA deal. Why would we give him credit for basically borrowing future money to spend now? We every move he has done in the past like this has failed in the end. 90% of the board was against the Chubb deal. And the main reason was we weren't a Chubb deal away from being a contender. That deal gave us nothing at all overall immediately and caused massive problems in the future. We were in the middle of a rebuild and Grier jumped the gun.

So are you telling me you trust Grier with this new cap space he created for 25, which will in turn lower are cap space in the future, to actually put a SB contender on the field in 25?

Good move or bad move depends on what Mcd and Grier have decided was the appropriate strategy. If the goal was gain more cap space for '25 FAs vs. June cut, they succeeded. If the goal was to reduce cap through '27, they've failed short-term. Credit/blame depends on the goal of Mcd/Grier - not FA

 

[BROGS]

I'm still trying to figure out; if Armstead and Chubb are not post June, why didn't we use it on Fuller?

I'm not sure honestly. I know we are only allowed 2.

 

[dan the fin]

Good move or good move depends on what Mcd and Grier have decided was the appropriate strategy. If the goal was gain more cap space for '25 FAs vs. June cut, they succeeded. If the goal was to reduce cap through '27, they've failed short-term. Credit/blame depends on the goal of Mcd/Grier - not FA

F no. That literally is the definition of zero accountability. Grier is in the big boy chair. 10 years and 3 HC hires and zero playoff wins. What he just did was elect to create space now by using outer cap space. A frigging college intern could do that. The actual goal was to create space with an end result of winning in 25. If we don't make a playoff run this year (after more of Griers win now moves) the guy needs to clean his desk out.

I still can't believe people think creating cap space in this manner is some sort of accomplishment. There is 5+ guy in every NFL teams office that could pull of that goal. The frigging goal is using that future money to win now, see Philly, LA, ect.

 

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No I am a we will see. It is only a good move if that money leads to Miami being a legit SB contender in 25. If we remain the same as the last couple years it is just another massive fail.

But you keep say are you guys going to give Grier credit for the TA restructure? Why would we? It was an easy move to execute to create money now by sacrificing future money. He gets credit if he creates a SB contender with that money. But his past doesn't give confidence. Extended Howard, traded for Chubb, signing a injury prone LT to big money. Thise were all moves to been a SB contender while sacrificing youth and future cap flexibility for the now and we got nowhere.

The money is the same either way as TA was(is) going to be cut. The difference is having it to spend now or after June

 

[dan the fin]

I'm still trying to figure out; if Armstead and Chubb are not post June, why didn't we use it on Fuller?

Who knows. Most GMs are like master chess players have a vision and see multiple moves ahead, unfortunately our GM is that chess player who only sees one move at a time.

 

[dan the fin]

The money is the same either way as TA was(is) going to be cut. The difference is having it to spend now or after June

That is were you are being short sighted. The money is the same in actual real dollars but carries different effects on when you spend. If your going to spend future money it better be because it absolutely makes you a SB contender now. I don't believe we are one offseason with an added 20 mil (of future money) away from a SB contender. So the smart move would be just take the cap hit now and have more money next year. But Grier is desperate and knows his job is on the line and is going all in.

Basically Grier is making a large loan on the teams future resources to place his chips all in at poker table. Will look great if he wins (and then he gets credit) but if he looses well lucky for him he it probably won't effect him as he will be fired and it will be the next guy who has to clean up his mess.

So again what are we giving credit for? If your son went out at took a 20,000 loan with out knowing what it will go, do you give him credit for coming up with 20000? I think I will wait as see what the plan for the money is. I don't think I will say great job kid, if he spent 20,000 on hotels, hookers and coke. Would you?

 

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That is were you are being short sighted. The money is the same in actual real dollars but carries different effects on when you spend. If your going to spend future money it better be because it absolutely makes you a SB contender now. I don't believe we are one offseason with an added 20 mil (of future money) away from a SB contender. So the smart move would be just take the cap hit now and have more money next year. But Grier is desperate and knows his job is on the line and is going all in.

Basically Grier is making a large loan on the teams future resources to place his chips all in at poker table. Will look great if he wins (and then he gets credit) but if he looses well lucky for him he it probably won't effect him as he will be fired and it will be the next guy who has to clean up his mess.

So again what are we giving credit for? If your son went out at took a 20,000 loan with out knowing what it will go, do you give him credit for coming up with 20000? I think I will wait as see what the plan for the money is. I don't think I will say great job kid, if he spent 20,000 on hotels, hookers and coke. Would you?

I would rather field a more competitive team in 2025, but that’s me

 

[dan the fin]

I would rather field a more competitive team in 2025, but that’s me

Ya sure. We could field a more competitive team if we had the 15 million we are spending this year on X Howard, but we borrowed that money for last years non playoff team. Like I said Grier gets zero credit for borrowing money, that is easy. He can have credit, if he actually builds a winng team with that money.

I guess why are you giving him so called credit for borrowing future cap. He has done this multiple times? It is nothing new, it is easy as can be. The hard part is using that money as an advantage to actually win now. I will give Grier credit when that happens.

 

[The Ghost]

I'm still trying to figure out; if Armstead and Chubb are not post June, why didn't we use it on Fuller?

The easy answer is because we didn’t have to. 6/1 is a plan B, not plan A.

Use up the cap space you have now first, then borrow.

 

[Etuoo33]

It is not waa waa. It is stating those moves failed. And now a poster keeps asking why we are not giving Grier credit for creating cap space on the TA deal. Why would we give him credit for basically borrowing future money to spend now? We every move he has done in the past like this has failed in the end. 90% of the board was against the Chubb deal. And the main reason was we weren't a Chubb deal away from being a contender. That deal gave us nothing at all overall immediately and caused massive problems in the future. We were in the middle of a rebuild and Grier jumped the gun.

So are you telling me you trust Grier with this new cap space he created for 25, which will in turn lower are cap space in the future, to actually put a SB contender on the field in 25?

Nope, I'm tired of hearing about something that will not change for this year. Grier is what we have. Chubb has played mostly just okay, not up to his contract/ trade value status. I am more critical of The McCoach for the chaos around the team. Grier is no Bobby Bethard, has made mistakes, and has done just a medium job of talent acquisition. I also believe that McGenius has more input on the "groceries" that make up this team. They could have both been replaced for all I care last year, but they're here and they better do their f***ing jobs way above average to keep them.