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dan the fin said:
Ya sure. We could field a more competitive team if we had the 15 million we are spending this year on X Howard, but we borrowed that money for last years non playoff team. Like I said Grier gets zero credit for borrowing money, that is easy. He can have credit, if he actually builds a winng team with that money.

I guess why are you giving him so called credit for borrowing future cap. He has done this multiple times? It is nothing new, it is easy as can be. The hard part is using that money as an advantage to actually win now. I will give Grier credit when that happens.
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I understand where you’re coming from and it is Grier’s(or contract gurus?) fault we don’t have more money. The fact is we need players to compete now and that $14 million can make a big difference. How much improvement would we see if he just signs two good guards and run stopping DE?
 
dan the fin said:
F no. That literally is the definition of zero accountability. Grier is in the big boy chair. 10 years and 3 HC hires and zero playoff wins. What he just did was elect to create space now by using outer cap space. A frigging college intern could do that. The actual goal was to create space with an end result of winning in 25. If we don't make a playoff run this year (after more of Griers win now moves) the guy needs to clean his desk out.

I still can't believe people think creating cap space in this manner is some sort of accomplishment. There is 5+ guy in every NFL teams office that could pull of that goal. The frigging goal is using that future money to win now, see Philly, LA, ect.
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I'm in agreement with you on this issue, but the reality is Grier is here for at least another year and he's going to do what he thinks he has to do to save his and potentially McDaniel's job. I hope he proves me wrong, but the scouting report on Grier is pretty thorough at this point. My nightmare scenario is we eek out a wild card win against another middling team and we get blown out in the divisional like we did in the 90s and early 2000s. That would probably be enough to tenure Grier at this point, Ross is over the moon with December wins against decent but underperforming NFC teams, I couldn't imagine how happy he would be just to win a wildcard game. I don't think that's going to happen though, this team is baked in the cake at this point and we would have saw the leap in 2023 if it was going to happen.
Ross is delaying the likely inevitable because of his age and how much he was emotionally invested in the approach that started in 2019.
 
The Ghost said:
The easy answer is because we didn’t have to. 6/1 is a plan B, not plan A.

Use up the cap space you have now first, then borrow.
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The way the numbers worked out, we gained hardly any cap room this year and created a boatload of dead money. Its like we are paying the same with or without him. Was he that bad a player or guy that it's addition by subtraction?
 
zucca said:
The way the numbers worked out, we gained hardly any cap room this year and created a boatload of dead money. Its like we are paying the same with or without him. Was he that bad a player or guy that it's addition by subtraction?
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Gotta be more to the story, I think his injury was worse than thought and he was going to miss the year so they took the minor savings now. Interested to see if he signs a deal with another team.
 
zucca said:
The way the numbers worked out, we gained hardly any cap room this year and created a boatload of dead money. Its like we are paying the same with or without him. Was he that bad a player or guy that it's addition by subtraction?
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Maybe I’ll have to look at the numbers again but I thought it was a $5M+ hit this year and nothing next year.
 
zucca said:
I'm still trying to figure out; if Armstead and Chubb are not post June, why didn't we use it on Fuller?
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Probably because Armstead is likely to retire (he's not playing for vet minimum) so the retirement will go down as a post June 1st. With Chubb they have basically took money from this year and if he suits up he gets the money back next year (or a lot of it) so it was best to eat the full hit for Fuller in 2025 rather than 2026 when you will be getting a hit from Armstead and Chubb.
 
dan the fin said:
That is were you are being short sighted. The money is the same in actual real dollars but carries different effects on when you spend. If your going to spend future money it better be because it absolutely makes you a SB contender now. I don't believe we are one offseason with an added 20 mil (of future money) away from a SB contender. So the smart move would be just take the cap hit now and have more money next year. But Grier is desperate and knows his job is on the line and is going all in.

Basically Grier is making a large loan on the teams future resources to place his chips all in at poker table. Will look great if he wins (and then he gets credit) but if he looses well lucky for him he it probably won't effect him as he will be fired and it will be the next guy who has to clean up his mess.

So again what are we giving credit for? If your son went out at took a 20,000 loan with out knowing what it will go, do you give him credit for coming up with 20000? I think I will wait as see what the plan for the money is. I don't think I will say great job kid, if he spent 20,000 on hotels, hookers and coke. Would you?
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I don't think Grier is making large loans on future resources at all. If you want to see that, go look at the Eagles. They just gave Saquon a $40M extension and pushed $30M of it into the 2029 season, now that is taking a large loan from the future.

Do you think the Dolphins could become contenders if they started doing what the Eagles are doing? You could easily go out and sign 5 marquee free agents this season and push half their money into 2029/2030 and suddenly become a contender. People will say the Eagles will be in cap hell later but does it really matter when they have the vast majority of a Super Bowl winning roster under contract for 3 more seasons with money still to spend?
 
MARINO1384 said:
Gotta be more to the story, I think his injury was worse than thought and he was going to miss the year so they took the minor savings now. Interested to see if he signs a deal with another team.
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I'm thinking the concussions might be giving Fuller food for thought. After the second one he looked scared to tackle guys out there.
 
zucca said:
The way the numbers worked out, we gained hardly any cap room this year and created a boatload of dead money. Its like we are paying the same with or without him. Was he that bad a player or guy that it's addition by subtraction?
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I have to assume Weaver was consulted on this. I think many are quick to point fingers without really knowing what factors were involved, or how much weight those individual factors played.
 
Springveldt said:
I'm thinking the concussions might be giving Fuller food for thought. After the second one he looked scared to tackle guys out there.
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Possibly idk gotta be something or else doesn’t make sense. Interested to see if anyone signs him this offseason,that will tell us more.
 
MARINO1384 said:
Possibly idk gotta be something or else doesn’t make sense. Interested to see if anyone signs him this offseason,that will tell us more.
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Agree, it was a bizarre cut especially when you factor in what Miami has behind him. There has to be something more to it, his actual play on the field didn't deserve to be cut.
 
dan the fin said:
I don't know why you keep saying this is some smart move. GMS all around the league make moves like this all the time, and a lot end up being bad decisions.

Grier is leveraging future money for now. Which can be a great move if it leads to at minimum an appearance in AFC champ. Grier leveraged future assets to go out and overpay to get guys like Chubb which has turned into a absolutely shittastic move. Good GMs don't make moves like that Chubb deal unless he is viewed as a missing piece for a long run, we weren't their yet, Grier ****ed the rebuild.

What Grier is doing now carries a lot of risk. He is yet again leveraging future assets (money) for immediate help. In my opinion that extra space for this year won't help enough to fill the massive holes Grier has already created. He is trying to dig himself out of a hole he created.

And again in my opinion, Grier absolutely should have been fired (was never qualified for the job to start with) and the new GM probably would just take some lumps now to shed guys like TA off the roster and take the cap hit right away to try and do a 1/2 year flip of the roster.

The most likely scenario is Grier spends that future money now, we still don't make the playoffs or bounced in the 1st and we are worse of on 26 cap space. And if that happens then what Grier is doing with TA deal was a crap move.
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...now imagine you actually like Bradley Chubb, LOL.

I don't think you and Grier see Chubb the same way. Given what Grier gave up and what he's given to Bradley Chubb, it's pretty clear that Bradley Chubb is part of the core that forms the Dolphins' identity.

It's fine to disagree but at some point you just have to accept that leadership actually likes these players they acquire: Tua, Tyreek, Chubb, etc.

We don't run the team. Grier went into scouting and worked his way up to GM. That's more of a sacrifice than us here in a forum. He gets to build the team because he's earned the right. He's not some common fan. This is his shot at a lifelong dream. It's his career on the line.

If those leading the Dolphins indeed want to build around Tua, Tyreek, Chubb and others, I'd prefer they at least follow through with their vision. Good for them. The last thing I want to see is a team that makes a move and then pulls the ejection handle 2-3 years later suddenly deciding they want the opposite.

Continuity in vision is not a bad thing. It's something I've been asking for for quite a long time actually.
 
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