Brady Quinn vs. Drew Stanton

[Finole]

If the Fins are going to draft a QB, then we should select Drew Stanton NOT Brady Quinn.

First, look at Stanton's numbers from his junior year...

236/355 for 3077 yards, 22 TDs and 12 INTs for a QB rating of 100.2
Plus he rushed for another 4 TDs bringing his total to 26.

Pct 66.5
Y/A 8.7
YPG 279.7

Now compare those numbers to Brady Quinn's senior year...

289/467 for 3426 yards, 37 TDs and 7 INTs for a QB rating of 104.4
Plus he rushed for another 2 TDs bringing his total to 39.

Pct 61.9
Y/A 7.3
YPG 263.5

Quinn had more TDs to be sure, but the QB rating was almost identical. And Stanton's completion percentage, YPA, and YPG were all higher than Quinn's.

Don't penalize Stanton for having a poor senior season. You know who else had a poor senior season? Dan Marino. This is not to say Stanton is the next Marino. There will never be another Marino. The point is that Stanton is a very good QB. Maybe even better than Quinn. Who knows? Great college QBs don't always translate to great NFL QBs.

Both are about the same size.

Also, Stanton rushed for 5 TDs his sophomore year, and another 5 TDs his senior year. He had over 1500 career rushing yards in college. Brady had 182 rushing yards. Stanton would be a better backup for Culpepper. (Which is a moot point if you believe Culpepper is washed up. Personally, I don't.)

But the biggest argument against Quinn is the fact that the Fins could trade down, still pick up Stanton, and an extra 2nd round pick.

Here's a chart which basically places a value on every pick in every round...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687

According to this chart, the Fins could trade their #9 spot for Jacksonville's #17 spot and their #49 spot (in the 2nd round). Plus, some have speculated that the Jaguars might be looking for QB in this years draft. They might be very interested in moving up to draft Quinn (especially on draft day if and when Quinn is available at #9).

At #17, the Fins could still draft one the following players...

WR Ted Ginn, Ohio St (possibly)
WR Dwayne Jarrett, USC (possibly)
WR Robert Meachem, Tennessee (more likely)
WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU (more likely)
CB Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh
CB Aaron Ross, Texas
CB Daymeion Hughes, California
LB Lawrence Timmons, FSU
LB Patrick Willis, Ole Miss
LB Paul Posluszny, Penn St.
DE Charles Johnson, Georgia

And then in the 2nd round, the Fins could draft Drew Stanton AND...

C Ryan Kalil, USC
WR Sidney Rice, South Carolina
WR Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio St.
CB Chris Houston, Arkansas
LB Buster Davis, FSU
DE Anthony Spencer, Purdue
DE LaMarr Woodley, Michigan

Does Brady Quinn = Drew Stanton AND a new speedy WR?
Does Brady Quinn = Drew Stanton AND a lockdown CB?
Does Brady Quinn = Drew Stanton AND a Center?
Does Brady Quinn = Drew Stanton AND an eventual replacement for JT?
Does Brady Quinn = Drew Stanton AND an eventual replacement for ZT?

Because if we draft Brady Quinn at #9 and don't trade down, we will be giving up not 1 but 2 players!

There are a million other scenarios as well. We could flop picks with Atlanta and pick up the 5th rounder we lost because the Harrington trade. We could trade with Denver or Dallas for their 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd. We could trade with St. Louis or Carolina for their 1st and 3rd. It boggles the mind.

Here's the other thing: After Joe Thomas and Levi Brown, there's a big dropoff at the LT position. The difference between Levi Brown and Joe Staley is huge. But the difference between Brady Quinn and Drew Stanton might not be much at all.

Imagine this scenario...

Round 1 - Dwayne Jarrett
Round 2 - Drew Stanton AND Ryan Kalil

versus this...

Round 1 - Brady Quinn
Round 2 - Sidney Rice

Bottom line: If Levi Brown is gone (and Quinn is still there) by the time the Fins pick, we should NOT draft Brady Quinn. We should trade down and draft Drew Stanton.

 

[jason8er]

Sidney Rice will not make it to the 2nd round. Infact, Drew Stanton might not either.

 

[Finsfan1984]

I like Stanton, I really do, and if we dont get Quinn, then I hope we get Stanton...But, I think Quinn is ahead of Stanton and has the skills to be a better pro IMO.

But i do like the scenario of getting Stanton in a trade down and picking up another pick, if that could happen, and if Quinn isnt there.:wink:

 

[McDolphins]

Sidney Rice will not make it to the 2nd round. Infact, Drew Stanton might not either.

Unfortunately it looks that way. I'd personally rather take Stanton in the 2nd than Quinn in the first for 2 reasons. First, there will be a lot of players who could potentially start immediately that will be available at #9, and second, because we have a coach whose forte is developing young quarterbacks, making it less necessary to get Quinn at the 9th pick. Unfortunately Stanton's stock is rising, and even if he doesn't go in the first round I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders or Lions passed on a QB in the first and took him in the second.

 

[jason8er]

Unfortunately it looks that way. I'd personally rather take Stanton in the 2nd than Quinn in the first for 2 reasons. First, there will be a lot of players who could potentially start immediately that will be available at #9, and second, because we have a coach whose forte is developing young quarterbacks, making it less necessary to get Quinn at the 9th pick. Unfortunately Stanton's stock is rising, and even if he doesn't go in the first round I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders or Lions passed on a QB in the first and took him in the second.

My thoughts exactly. I still have a sneaky suspision, that CHI takes him at #31.:boohoo:

 

[DonShula84]

Your entire scenario relies on the ability for the Dolphins to trade down. It is a lot easier said than done. If you are strictly comparing Quinn to Stanton as players and not on the scenario of trading down and getting additional players, it isnt even close.

 

[Finole]

Sidney Rice will not make it to the 2nd round. Infact, Drew Stanton might not either.

Okay. It was just a hypthetical. Here's another one...

1 (9) - QB Brady Quinn
2 (40) - CB Chris Houston

...versus...

1 (17) - QB Drew Stanton
2 (40) - CB Chris Houston
2 (49) - K Mason Crosby

Does Quinn = Stanton PLUS Crosby?

Is that more realistic? If not, there's a whole list of players in my original post. And plenty of players I never mentioned. Put together a more realistic scenario.

If you think Stanton would be a reach at #17, then trade down farther. Hell, the Fins could pick up another 2nd AND a 3rd or a 4th.

Does Quinn = Stanton PLUS two more draft picks?

The point is: Not only would Brady Quinn would have to be better than Drew Stanton. But he would have to be better than Drew Stanton AND whatever other player(s) we would get in a trade.

 

[Mr772]

Your entire scenario relies on the ability for the Dolphins to trade down. It is a lot easier said than done. If you are strictly comparing Quinn to Stanton as players and not on the scenario of trading down and getting additional players, it isnt even close.

Finally a voice or reason. I doubt we find a trade down partner. The fins are cursed when it comes to the draft and they have been for a long time now.

 

[jason8er]

Okay. It was just a hypthetical. Here's another one...

1 (9) - QB Brady Quinn
2 (40) - CB Chris Houston

...versus...

1 (17) - QB Drew Stanton
2 (40) - CB Chris Houston
2 (49) - K Mason Crosby

Does Quinn = Stanton PLUS Crosby?

Is that more realistic? If not, there's a whole list of players in my original post. And plenty of players I never mentioned. Put together a more realistic scenario.

If you think Stanton would be a reach at #17, then trade down farther. Hell, the Fins could pick up another 2nd AND a 3rd or a 4th.

Does Quinn = Stanton PLUS two more draft picks?

The point is: Not only would Brady Quinn would have to be better than Drew Stanton. But he would have to be better than Drew Stanton AND whatever other player(s) we would get in a trade.

Dude! I would take any of your senarios. I would fall apart on "Lets Make a Deal" and probably pick door #4.

 

[Geforce]

If Cam and Mueller think Brady Quinn is a franchise-type QB but doesn't feel the same way about Stanton, then it's a no-brainer. You draft Quinn.

Even with all your hypotheticals, you don't pass on a potential franchise-type of QB. In many ways a franchise QB does equal multiple players because they can hide so many of a team's flaws. Marino did it for almost his entire career here in Miami.

 

[Finole]

Your entire scenario relies on the ability for the Dolphins to trade down. It is a lot easier said than done. If you are strictly comparing Quinn to Stanton as players and not on the scenario of trading down and getting additional players, it isnt even close.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Go back 5 years, which is the only way you can properly evaluate a draft, with hindsight. In 2001, Michael Vick went 1st overall, and Drew Brees went in the 2nd round. Would you say it isn't even close between Vick and Brees?

But, yes, trading down is easier said than done. But you know what? Some have said that Quinn could fall to the middle of the 1st. So if we were able to swing a trade, we might even still have a shot a Quinn.

It just doesn't make sense to take him at #9. Especially when you consider all the guys we could take who would basically come in and start right away...

Levi Brown
Jamaal Anderson
Gaines Adams
Alan Branch
Amobi Okoye
or even Patrick Willis

But the only guy in that group that really fills an immediate need is Levi Brown.

 

[DonShula84]

Is it worth having one of the players you mentioned just because they can come in and start right away, over a player who will probably sit on the bench for a year but might be better in the long run? I dont think we should take a player at 9 just because they can play right away. That is more a benefit of the position they play.

As for Vick and Brees it's hard to put them next to each other and evaluate them coming into the draft imo. Brees has been the better pro no doubt. But Quinn and Stanton arent different types of players, so you can do more of a comparison of where they stand right now.

 

[Dolfansal]

Have you seen our QB play for the last decade?????????????????????

If Cameron thinks Quinn is the real deal then hell yeah he is worth stanton + crosby.

Look at what mediocre QB play got chicago this year. Would they have rather had Peyton at QB and peyton's mom at kicker or Rex and Gould?

Haven't we dealt with enough mediocre QB's?

There is a reason Quinn is at the top of most draft boards. If we could evaluate talent like the NFL guys we would be NFL guys and not on this board.

 

[McDolphins]

Is it worth having one of the players you mentioned just because they can come in and start right away, over a player who will probably sit on the bench for a year but might be better in the long run? I dont think we should take a player at 9 just because they can play right away. That is more a benefit of the position they play.

As for Vick and Brees it's hard to put them next to each other and evaluate them coming into the draft imo. Brees has been the better pro no doubt. But Quinn and Stanton arent different types of players, so you can do more of a comparison of where they stand right now.

It is when 2 conditions are met:
1) Your team really is only a couple playmakers away from being a playoff contender, which I believe Miami is.
2) That player is not only ready to start right away, but also shows that he could very likely be the long-term answer at his position as well.

I think players like Levi Brown, Dwayne Jarrett, Gaines Adams and possibly even Jamaal Anderson fall into that category and would be worth a serious look with the 9th overall pick. I'm not a big fan of us drafting Quinn, but if he is there at 9, then there really is no reason not to take him. Yes, we do need a QB of the future, and with patience and the right coaching (a la Cameron and Shea) Quinn is 99% certain to be that guy. But if he isn't there, I won't be crying a river, and I would be excited to see what immediate impact player (AND long-term solution) we would add to our teamwith the 9th selection instead, and then hope that Stanton, who also could be "the guy" with the same amount of time put into patience and good coaching, falls to us in the second.

 

[Finole]

If Cam and Mueller think Brady Quinn is a franchise-type QB but doesn't feel the same way about Stanton, then it's a no-brainer. You draft Quinn.

Even with all your hypotheticals, you don't pass on a potential franchise-type of QB. In many ways a franchise QB does equal multiple players because they can hide so many of a team's flaws. Marino did it for almost his entire career here in Miami.

Very true. A franchise QB is worth multiple players. But I have heard a lot of opinions lately that question whether Quinn is that franchise QB most teams covet. Now, I'm not saying he is or he isn't. But I'm not happy about the dissenting viewpoints.

And I keep hearing how good Drew Stanton is.

Combine that with the fact that you could get an extra 2nd round pick with Stanton. Kinda makes you go, "Hmmm..."