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“He’s poised. He doesn’t get rattled. After playing Justin [Herbert], you can hit Justin. He gets a little rattled after you start sticking him early. Tua stays calm. He has that demeanor about him. He’s been hurt more, so he has so much more room to grow.”
- Cam Jordan on Tua


Saints DE Cameron Jordan offers praise for Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa, noting that he has both poise and room to grow.
" After playing Tua, It's Tua because he has more room to grow," Jordan said, via Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. "He's poised. He doesn't get rattled. After playing Justin Herbert, you can hit Justin. He gets a little rattled after you start sticking him early. Tua stays calm. He has that demeanor about him. He's been hurt more, so he has so much more room to grow."
 

Tua Biggest jump as 3rd year QB

Cam Jordan- "Tua has poise, Herbert gets rattled. Bruschi- "needs to see what Tua can do with everything theyve done for him." Other than this current offseason, does Bruschi realize Tua hasnt had everything these past 2 years? I mean compared to the other 3 QBs.
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As a freshman, Herbert was far and away my favorite college QB prospect. I followed him every season and I found myself never seeing the progress I hoped for. He still had the impressive arm, but his decision-making never got better. He was the guy who never took that next step in college. Kind of like a college version of Jeff George or until this year, Matt Stafford. Herbert certainly started off well in the pros, but if I were a Charger fan, I'd be worried that Herbert will do the same in the pros.
 
rafael said:
As a freshman, Herbert was far and away my favorite college QB prospect. I followed him every season and I found myself never seeing the progress I hoped for. He still had the impressive arm, but his decision-making never got better. He was the guy who never took that next step in college. Kind of like a college version of Jeff George or until this year, Matt Stafford. Herbert certainly started off well in the pros, but if I were a Charger fan, I'd be worried that Herbert will do the same in the pros.
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That's kind of what I am waiting to see too, plus he's on a franchise with the Chargers that has similar issues puts up good numbers as a team, and looks good on paper but always seems to fail to take the next step as a playoff team.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Sorry but I'm still taking Herbert every day and twice on Sundays. Hopefully Tua takes a jump and proves me wrong. He has more offensive talent around him than most QB now, including Herbert, so he shouldn't have any issues if he's the guy.
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I will agree, as of now, Herbert is definitely the better QB.

As far as surrounding talent,However,I would argue tua is now on par with Herbert and Burrow. Definitely better half of league.

But Edmonds, Mostert, Hill, Waddle is not that superior to
Allen, Williams, Ekeler, forgot the TES name lol
Or
Chase, Boyd, Mixon, uzomah.
Seattle has equivalent talent
Raiders
TB
TITANS
RAMS

There are plenty of teams or QB'S that have equivalent or equal supporting cast.

Additionally the O lines are better for Cincy and Chargers until we see our o line play. However, on paper, the Phins have an equivalent o line.

So, he definitely is in the top half. If the line helps he would easily be top 10 in surrounding talent maybe top 5.

What his surrounding talent does is no longer give him excuses.

This is the first year lack of talent can't be an excuse. He will be on equal footing with Herbert and Burrow. Now the true comparisons and evaluations can begin between the 3.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Sorry but I'm still taking Herbert every day and twice on Sundays. Hopefully Tua takes a jump and proves me wrong. He has more offensive talent around him than most QB now, including Herbert, so he shouldn't have any issues if he's the guy.
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Two questions.
How do our offensive weapons, not the QB, compare to the rest of the league?
If Armstrong plays part of a season, what is plan B?
 
When their careers are all said and done, which QB leads his team to more wins, Tua or Herbert?
 
GRYPHONK said:
I will agree, as of now, Herbert is definitely the better QB.

As far as surrounding talent,However,I would argue tua is now on par with Herbert and Burrow. Definitely better half of league.

But Edmonds, Mostert, Hill, Waddle is not that superior to
Allen, Williams, Ekeler, forgot the TES name lol
Or
Chase, Boyd, Mixon, uzomah.
Seattle has equivalent talent
Raiders
TB
TITANS
RAMS

There are plenty of teams or QB'S that have equivalent or equal supporting cast.

Additionally the O lines are better for Cincy and Chargers until we see our o line play. However, on paper, the Phins have an equivalent o line.

So, he definitely is in the top half. If the line helps he would easily be top 10 in surrounding talent maybe top 5.

What his surrounding talent does is no longer give him excuses.

This is the first year lack of talent can't be an excuse. He will be on equal footing with Herbert and Burrow. Now the true comparisons and evaluations can begin between the 3.
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Also the first year where you don't have a head coach playing mind games to try and break his own players. So that's a plus.
 
Jssanto said:
Two questions.
How do our offensive weapons, not the QB, compare to the rest of the league?
If Armstrong plays part of a season, what is plan B?
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Between Hill and Waddle we have probably the most dynamic receiving core in the league. That's without factoring in other players. Dynamic doesn't mean best necessarily, but they are dynamic.

There is a question of missed games at LT but also even if that happens I still feel we will be much better than last year in that area.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Between Hill and Waddle we have probably the most dynamic receiving core in the league. That's without factoring in other players. Dynamic doesn't mean best necessarily, but they are dynamic.

There is a question of missed games at LT but also even if that happens I still feel we will be much better than last year in that area.
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Yeah this is a stupid fast offense... Not Sure there's been a faster Duo than Hill/Waddle in the NFL... Then you add Mostert in the back field... Thats 3 legit 4.3s skill players on the field at the same time...
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Between Hill and Waddle we have probably the most dynamic receiving core in the league. That's without factoring in other players. Dynamic doesn't mean best necessarily, but they are dynamic.

There is a question of missed games at LT but also even if that happens I still feel we will be much better than last year in that area.
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Yes, definitely the most dynamic, by far.

2 guys who can take a 1 yard pass turn it into a 99 all by themselves.

Defensive coordinators will have a hard time scheming against us.

With that said, there are great WR duos, not as dynamic, but may be better with drops and or that go up and catch the ball skill set.

Metcalf/ Lockett
Chase/Boyd
Allen/ Williams
Evans/ Godwin
Johnson/Claypool (weakest on list)
Adams/Renfrew
Cupp/ can't remember the other guys name
Jefferson/ Thiele

I'm sure, I am missing a couple teams.

Agreed, we are much better on the line as well.

If armstead goes down I am more comfortable with Jackson or Eich filling in for a few games.

Add in competent coaching. That alone would have improved our line with no acquisitions.

All In all, we don't necessarily have the BEST WR corps.... However, we have the WR Corp that will frustrate, confuse and scare DCS THE most IMO.
 
GRYPHONK said:
I will agree, as of now, Herbert is definitely the better QB.

As far as surrounding talent,However,I would argue tua is now on par with Herbert and Burrow. Definitely better half of league.

But Edmonds, Mostert, Hill, Waddle is not that superior to
Allen, Williams, Ekeler, forgot the TES name lol
Or
Chase, Boyd, Mixon, uzomah.
Seattle has equivalent talent
Raiders
TB
TITANS
RAMS

There are plenty of teams or QB'S that have equivalent or equal supporting cast.

Additionally the O lines are better for Cincy and Chargers until we see our o line play. However, on paper, the Phins have an equivalent o line.

So, he definitely is in the top half. If the line helps he would easily be top 10 in surrounding talent maybe top 5.

What his surrounding talent does is no longer give him excuses.

This is the first year lack of talent can't be an excuse. He will be on equal footing with Herbert and Burrow. Now the true comparisons and evaluations can begin between the 3.
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Herbert has been better simply because he had better talent around him and a coaching staff that actually knew how to call an offense to take advantage of what Herbert does best.

Tua on the other hand had to play behind the worst offensive line in the entire league. He had no running game and only one reliable WR for most of the season. Tua never made excuses for this lack of talent around him. He simply went out and did the best he could under the circumstances.

I totally agree that Tua is expected to show more this coming season based on the much better talent he will have on offense, along with an offensive minded HC. Yet if Herbert or Burrow had been the Dolphins QB last year, I don’t think either of them would have had success either.
 
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