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Can Camarillo Lead the dolphins "No Name" Receiving corps?

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Do you guys think Camarillo (or Hartline?) can step up to be our #1?

Now with Henne is the leader and the bye week coming up it is time for the coaching staff to make some decisions at WR. I believe they need to define who is really the #1 receiver here in Miami. If the receivers roles are finally truly defined I think Henne may have a better chance of creating the right kind of chemistry/sync with each of his guys. As someone who has stuck with the hope that Ginn can improve, even I realize that he is not really and probably never will be a true number 1 receiver in this league. Even after the big TD this week it is clear that the coaches and Henne only targeted Ginn a few times.

I think that leaves 3 possible guys who could step up to become our new #1(at least until we trade for a true #1 or get one next year either by the draft or free agency) Those three are below ***in no particular order...

Bess - He truly has the best hands on the team (and possibly in the NFL) but so far he lacks the ability to get tons of yards after the catch. He also IMO does not seem to be able to get as much separation as G cam or Hartline. I think bess is the ultimate slot/possession receiver.
Camarillo - If he is truly healthy I think he would be the best option on this team for us at #1, he has show the ability to get some separation, has great hands and makes clutch catches.
Hartiline - I think most of us agree that while hartline has shown good hands and good promise (quick study) he may be to young to take on the #1 spot. with that I think he would be a better #1 than bess.

Could the following be our "No Name" reciever corps depth chart?
#1 Camarillo (seperation + hands w decent speed)
#2 Ginn (speed + deep threat) *needs to show consistency and has already shown to be more of a threat with Henne at the helm.
#3 (slot) Bess (possession receiver, great hands)
#4 Hartline (change of pace. big and fast for a white dude!)
#5 Turner (size, Red zone) he may get activated with cobbs hurt. could be our goal line guy.

if cam is really not fully healthy(which many of us suspect) Id say swap hartline and camarillo. seems like a big swap from #4 to #1 but hartline also has shown abilty to get seperation and he has good hands, and again I truly think bess is best in the slot where he can pick up those crucial first downs. If/when we do draft or trade for a true #1 WR (like Boldin or somone of his caliber) then unfortunately I think either bess or cam needs to get traded. and what a hard decision that could be. they are both so good at their roles!

What do you guys think? am I totally wrong here? or will we see some changes?
 
Plain and simple, yes. He catches everything and knows how to get open. He won't get 80 yard bombs every game, but for now he is the best we got. Plus, if Henne and Ginn connect for more long passes, that will open up more room for Camarillo to work as well.
 
If Patrick Turner can't get on the field NOW, then something must really be up with him. I hope he hasn't caught Dwayne Jarrett's Disease.
 
Adam First said:
If Patrick Turner can't get on the field NOW, then something must really be up with him. I hope he hasn't caught Dwayne Jarrett's Disease.
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I think Turner may get his chance and gets activated in the next game. I also think they squeeze in Lex Hilliard.
 
Are you insane?

Ted Ginn is clearly the ONLY big play WR we have. While he was too fast for Penny, Henne will be able to connect with Ginn on a lot more than just quick hitters at the line of scrimmage. We haven't even got close to seeing the potential of Ted Ginn to this point of his career until Monday night.

Cammy and Bess are nothing more than complimentary players. They are getting one on one coverage because Ted is doing all the dirty work and getting the double teams. And that is fine. Every team needs possesion guys who can get open in those situations.

But, to take it to the level of thinking either Cammy or Bess could be a number one WR is just ignorance at its best IMO.

How many number ones in the NFL run a 4.7-4.8 40? How many are 5'8"?

The answer is none.

If you think Ted isn't our only option at number one, you are sadly mistaken. The best I am hoping is that Hartline can step up and be the number two and put either Cammy or Bess on the bench. Those guys NEVER take advantage of one on ones and make big plays. Ted kills teams who try to do that to him.

We SHOULD be talking about how we can improve our number two WR. We are horrible there. Although with the run game, Henne and Ted taking even more attention than with Penny, maybe we will see those guys make more big plays too.

Maybe our whole problem in the passing game was simply Penny's weak arm. So, having Henne in there might cure all that ails our passing game.

Looks like it so far.
 
I will always love Cam for saving us from being unvictorious that one season.
 
It looks everyone has a different idea about what makes a #1 wr.

Is it yards per season, yards per catch, number of catches per season, or the 'clutch' catches?

Camarillo is a tough, conisistant wr. He seems to always make the play when his # is called.

Not every team in the NFL has a #1 wr with pretty stats. Another thing to take into account is that we are primarily a running team. I don't think they are ever going to want to pass the ball enough to give one guy those big stats.

Just the fact that they haven't drafted a WR high, or traded for one so far seems to say that they don't think it is that important.
 
Our WR core does what it needs to do in our style offense. Henne makes it go.

Camarillo is the guy who gets us 1st downs on 3rd downs. Bess to but once they cover Camarillo, Bess will see the rock more. Hartline will be a big receiver for us. It will just start to show more down the line. He is getting his 2 or 3 reps per game.

Ginn needs to show consistancy. Otherwise, we will just let his contract run out as we find another guy in draft.

Our WR's play well when the QB plays well because you have to see the entire field and I think Penny was only seeing partial cus there were guys open all the time and not thrown to.

The key is Henne and our running game. This will open it up more. If Henne plays like Monday night more than not, then the passing game will be 65-70% completion rate.

Those are the thing I look for because to wear down teams, especially as they rack up injuries, is old style smash mouth football. The good teams run the ball. NO, Giants, ect.
 
In my opinion a True #1 Receiver is one who will physically dominate any corner he plays, Ted Ginn can't do that, he can burn receivers deep a few times a game, but you cant do that too much in a game or the defense will be ready for it, Camarillo's clutch, and Bess is great, but they are both slot receivers, #2's at best, Hartline and Turner are our only recievers that can dominate a CB with their size and strength, Hartline plays very physically, but I'm not so sold on him yet, Turner has a lot of upside at 6'5" I can't wait for him to get on the field, he's shown to have good hands in TC, hopefully his only problem is route running, maybe the Coaching Staff feels really good about his potential and just doesn't want to allow him to play until they feel he is truly ready, that way he doesn't play halfass, developing bad habits, run clean routes, play aggressive, and make the catch, only time will tell, but our hope for a #1 WR lies in one of our two rookies, or next years FA or Draft
 
I sure hope like you are saying Ginn can become a real #1 with Henne at the helm and I have been one of the few people still backing Ginn even before Henne came in but....

how many #1's in this league are targeted only a few times a game as ted Ginn is by this coaching staff.

How many #1s are taken out of games when things are on the line?

Again I was not saying cam should definitely be our #1, I was simply asking if there is anyone on this team now that is better for that spot than him based off of what we have seen so far? from what you guys are saying Hartline might be the only answer as he has size + speed.

I respect that opinion.

Chainsaw said:
Are you insane?

Ted Ginn is clearly the ONLY big play WR we have. While he was too fast for Penny, Henne will be able to connect with Ginn on a lot more than just quick hitters at the line of scrimmage. We haven't even got close to seeing the potential of Ted Ginn to this point of his career until Monday night.

Cammy and Bess are nothing more than complimentary players. They are getting one on one coverage because Ted is doing all the dirty work and getting the double teams. And that is fine. Every team needs possesion guys who can get open in those situations.

But, to take it to the level of thinking either Cammy or Bess could be a number one WR is just ignorance at its best IMO.

How many number ones in the NFL run a 4.7-4.8 40? How many are 5'8"?

The answer is none.

If you think Ted isn't our only option at number one, you are sadly mistaken. The best I am hoping is that Hartline can step up and be the number two and put either Cammy or Bess on the bench. Those guys NEVER take advantage of one on ones and make big plays. Ted kills teams who try to do that to him.

We SHOULD be talking about how we can improve our number two WR. We are horrible there. Although with the run game, Henne and Ted taking even more attention than with Penny, maybe we will see those guys make more big plays too.

Maybe our whole problem in the passing game was simply Penny's weak arm. So, having Henne in there might cure all that ails our passing game.

Looks like it so far.
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The thing is nobody is targeted very often by our staff so we don't really have a #1. It's a rotation more than anything else.
 
We don't target any of our recivers enough to have a #1 or #2 or whatever..Some games Ginn will get most targets or Cam or Bess or even Fasano..I't dont matter who has a huge game..As long as they help us win.IMO too many fans buy into a #1 reciver..I dont think having a #1 is going to help us win anymore games than spreading the ball around and powering other teams down..
 
i think a #1 WR is someone how can make the plays when they are needed, when you need to get the ball down the field he is the guy you look to. you dont need size or strength, or the ability to be physical, you need to just make the plays. Ginn is that guy, yes he is only getting targeted a few times a game and he may still have trouble catching the ball but think about it, he is the WR who has been on this team the longest and if you think about it, hes been in this league for 3 years now and has already had to deal with has had to deal with 5 different starting QBs, 4 of which havenot really been able to get the ball down the Field. so he hasnt gotten a chance to get used to that. i say towards the end of this year to the beginning of next year ginn will emerge as our #1 guy. plus we all expect henne to come right in and throw the ball 50-60 yards but lets make sure he is comfortable throwing the ball 10-15 yards first. i mean he has only played in 4 NFL games, im sure he is still trying to get the game speed down pat and everything. Henne now is learning for himself, teaching himself. he was thown into the fire honestly before he should have been.
 
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