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Can Miami Contend? Five Keys to the Season

I'm going to reply in depth when at pc, I'm on phone at the moment. I'm sorry, but it's not logical. You're talking about all the new players like they're all going to be successes. That's completely illogical. At best, probably 50% will be. Udfa TE? Excuse me if I'm not banking on that.

Ramsey wasn't great, by his standards. But the difference between him and our next best was monumental.

Neither of our safeties were good. I agree. But again, their backups were trash. The replacements? An injury prone signing, and a 5th rounder? Seriously.

A 6th round rb?

Come on! If you want to talk logic, be logical. Every year I have this argument, every year I'm called too negative, illogical.

And I'm proven right, year after year by these numskulls in charge.

Could be 25% would still be an improvement all things we sucked at last year.

We had a bad secondary last year. Probably still bad this year but didn’t matter still finished 11th ranked defense last year

We had 0 pass rush last year. Should be significantly improved with Phillips/chubb and Grant. Worse case it’s a whole year of a more experienced chop and Sieler like last year.

We had the lowest ranked guards in the league, highly improbable daniels and Savaiinaea are worse.

NWI has a history of being solid either way we are talking about an incredibly low bar of replacing obj’s masterful 9 catches in 9 game performance for 55 yards.

I mean I’m talking about an inline blocker tight end and a short down back. Take a look around, nfl is filled with late picks and udfa at those positions, it’s rotational pieces acting like that’s unheard of only makes you sound ridiculous. Again we are talking about improving on the worst short yardage team the last few years by a mile and an upgrade over Julian hill who’s pff run blocking score is lower than Eich’s and Robert Jones’.

None of these things are big asks as we are talking about replacing guys that were the worst in the league.
 
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Speculation on tyreek wanting out. Was upset end of the year other than that he’s been at mini camp and his camp has not pushed for a trade. Ramsey on the other hand is a different story.

Best safety is a loose term. Was he the best by process of it was only him Poyer and a udfa that was hurt all of last year… I guess so. Was he good? Well the last two years he’s given up 108 and 111 passer rating when targeted. 2023 was atleast tolerable as atleast his run defense was up to par but his tackling went to **** as he was a major contributor in the missed tackling brigade missing 17.1% of his attempted tackles. Poyer was more of the same, they were one if not the worst safety duo’s last year. I’m not going to say we improved but it’s hard to say they’ll be worse.

Ramsey is a lose yes but again he was coming off a career down year. We aren’t losing prime Ramsey. He was a pretty average corner last year. Cb#2 is essentially the same as duck and kader played half the year due to fuller being injured.

Downgraded a tackle on the oline and what should be a Grand Canyon sized improvement at both guards spots. It’s also a downgrade at Tua’s strong side tackle which is a positive and overall outside pressure isn’t a huge deal with Tua’s release. It was the inside pressure that killed us last year. As long as Paul can redirect to the outside as long as he doesn’t get beat inside quickly, should be good. The oline has been upgraded.

Not seeing these holes you’re speaking about? The oline and dline are tremendously improved with additions and injuries returning. We signed pharaoh brown and a lot love the udfa Conyers who was the #1 ranked run blocker in college football last year at tight end so we should finally have some solid inline blocking we’ve been missing for years. We signed a big 3rd wideout that had 8 td’s last year which has also been a large ask for many last few years. We drafted a big back in Ollie and signed mattison adding 2 large backs we haven’t had in years.

We have a hole at corner, that’s it meanwhile have improved on both trenches, wideout, rb, tight end as well as a slight improvement with linebackers (Willie gay a sleeper).

He’s not being biased, he’s just being logical. The team has improved a lot. Doesn’t mean there’s no question marks or that injuries can’t derail the season but overall it’s a much better team that addressed most of what has held Miami back that last few years.
Right, time to digest and reply!

Tyreek, you're right. It's speculation. Either way, he's on the wind down part of his career. Last year was a down year. He's 31. How many WRs bounce back after a down year when they're 31? Not many. It's usually a bit of an age cliff. So, possibly (and I'd say highly likely) we've a diva WR, unhappy in the locker room, in a down year. Not great.

Safety spot, I mentioned this in my last post. We've a safety brought in who has once started more than 5 games in an NFL season (6 games in 2023). I mentioned him being injury prone, but I think I was mixing up our new guard with him, so I was wrong there. I think it's a stretch to say we can't be worse. We definitely can be. People always assume that if players underperform, that any replacement is better. Not always the case.

I agree that we *should* have upgraded at guard. But again, not all players that come in perform as expected. And one of the new guards is very injury prone. Should we lose him to injury, who comes in? Eich? LT, who knows how he'll do as full time starter. You're also losing massive leadership and experience in TA, that can't be underestimated.

The D line, we lost Campbell. He was huge. Hopefully the rookie hits the ground runnign. What if he doesn't? Yep, the likes of Chubb and Phillips coming back. Again, how long does it take for them to get back up to speed? What if we lose them to injury again?

NWI scored a lot of TDs, sure. No way he continues that TD to catch ratio. And we moved away from deep ball last year (hopefully only because of how bad the line was). We've signed 2 "large" backs. But does McDaniel want to use them that way? Not what I've seen down the years. Hopefully he's learned.

My big problem is when you say "have improved on both trenches, wideout, rb, tight end as well as a slight improvement with linebackers". That's what people do on here EVERY year. "We've signed X, he's an upgrade over Y." They always just assume if player X plays to a certain level in New York (or wherever) that he'll continue to do at least that, and likely more in Miami. Never the case. Like I say, 50% of the new players will work out.

Other players who we think are fine, will regress. We'll suffer injuries.

So you can claim it's being logical. But it's clearly not. You're totally ignoring the hit rate with draft / FA signings.
 
Could be 25% would still be an improvement all things we sucked at last year.

We had a bad secondary last year. Probably still bad this year but didn’t matter still finished 11th ranked defense last year

We had 0 pass rush last year. Should be significantly improved with Phillips/chubb and Grant. Worse case it’s a whole year of a more experienced chop and Sieler like last year.

We had the lowest ranked guards in the league, highly improbable daniels and Savaiinaea are worse.

NWI has a history of being solid either way we are talking about an incredibly low bar of replacing obj’s masterful 9 catches in 9 game performance for 55 yards.

I mean I’m talking about an inline blocker tight end and a short down back. Take a look around, nfl is filled with late picks and udfa at those positions, it’s rotational pieces acting like that’s unheard of only makes you sound ridiculous. Again we are talking about improving on the worst short yardage team the last few years by a mile and an upgrade over Julian hill who’s pff run blocking score is lower than Eich’s and Robert Jones’.

None of these things are big asks as we are talking about replacing guys that were the worst in the league.
Do me one favour. Go look back at the prediction threads from each off-season. Every year without fail you get people telling us how the roster has improved. Every .. single .. year. And we have had exactly how many playoff wins?

It's rose tinted glasses. It's nothing to do with logic.
 
Do me one favour. Go look back at the prediction threads from each off-season. Every year without fail you get people telling us how the roster has improved. Every .. single .. year. And we have had exactly how many playoff wins?

It's rose tinted glasses. It's nothing to do with logic.

Nobody thought 2024 the roster improved from 2023 so that’s a straight up lie
 
Nobody thought 2024 the roster improved from 2023 so that’s a straight up lie
Agree. Sometimes the roster improves on paper and, for whatever reason, it doesn't translate. Usually due to injuries.

The improvements this year look pretty dramatic in a lot of areas. Daniels and Savaiinaea versus Eichenberg and Jones as one example. Westbrook-Ikine versus OBJ. Gordon and Mattison versus Wilson etc.
 
Right, time to digest and reply!

Tyreek, you're right. It's speculation. Either way, he's on the wind down part of his career. Last year was a down year. He's 31. How many WRs bounce back after a down year when they're 31? Not many. It's usually a bit of an age cliff. So, possibly (and I'd say highly likely) we've a diva WR, unhappy in the locker room, in a down year. Not great.

Safety spot, I mentioned this in my last post. We've a safety brought in who has once started more than 5 games in an NFL season (6 games in 2023). I mentioned him being injury prone, but I think I was mixing up our new guard with him, so I was wrong there. I think it's a stretch to say we can't be worse. We definitely can be. People always assume that if players underperform, that any replacement is better. Not always the case.

I agree that we *should* have upgraded at guard. But again, not all players that come in perform as expected. And one of the new guards is very injury prone. Should we lose him to injury, who comes in? Eich? LT, who knows how he'll do as full time starter. You're also losing massive leadership and experience in TA, that can't be underestimated.

The D line, we lost Campbell. He was huge. Hopefully the rookie hits the ground runnign. What if he doesn't? Yep, the likes of Chubb and Phillips coming back. Again, how long does it take for them to get back up to speed? What if we lose them to injury again?

NWI scored a lot of TDs, sure. No way he continues that TD to catch ratio. And we moved away from deep ball last year (hopefully only because of how bad the line was). We've signed 2 "large" backs. But does McDaniel want to use them that way? Not what I've seen down the years. Hopefully he's learned.

My big problem is when you say "have improved on both trenches, wideout, rb, tight end as well as a slight improvement with linebackers". That's what people do on here EVERY year. "We've signed X, he's an upgrade over Y." They always just assume if player X plays to a certain level in New York (or wherever) that he'll continue to do at least that, and likely more in Miami. Never the case. Like I say, 50% of the new players will work out.

Other players who we think are fine, will regress. We'll suffer injuries.

So you can claim it's being logical. But it's clearly not. You're totally ignoring the hit rate with draft / FA signings.

Saying tyreek had a down year as if he just forgot how to play is just dishonest and wrong. He had a down year for HIM* (a borderline top 10 all time wideout) after having the only back to back 1700 yard seasons in league history some scale back was bound to happen. He still put up 959 yards and 6 tds in a year while playing hurt while his qb missed 7 and a half games, with an awful oline that couldn’t run block leading to increased 2 deep looks. If Tua plays the whole year even with the rest of the issues he likely finishes with 1200 yards or so putting him around 5th in receiving and this isn’t much of a talking point anymore. He’ll be back around 1200 to 1300 yards this year if Tua stays healthy, could be more if the oline can run block and teams can’t just sit in two deep all day.

I’ve addressed the rest in my previous post and they all come down to it’d be hard to not improve in the areas I mentioned. We literally were the worst in the league when it came to oline, short yardage conversion, tight end blocking, pass rush, safety play. It’ll take minimal effort for improvement.

Playing the what if game with pointless and can be done for any team. Yes if Tua goes down, we suck. If we lose like 8 starters like we did in 2023 and end up with 18 on IR and out for the season like in 2023, we will suck but at some point if you want to win you get hit with a little luck and players stay healthy. Someone posted the other day comparing the most successful teams last few years to the bad ones and guess what? The ones that got lucky and stayed healthy were the better ones.
 
RONG!!
A lot of posters felt that 2025 would be an improvement over 2024 - until the season was over anyway. - LOL

You mean 2024 over 2023? 2025 hasn’t happened yet.

Disagree completely nobody with a brain thought 2024 was an improvement. 2023 starting lineup was the best lineup Miami has put out in the last 20 years by far.

Maybe an improvement over the decimated 18 players on IR and out for the season we played the chiefs in the playoffs with but certainly not the overall roster. Maybe some were hopeful that we’d get better versions of Poyer and obj maybe but end of the day we knew we were going into the season with Eich and Robert jones as starting guards while we were missing our edge rushers. I’m sure predictions for win loss were still 10-12 games last year but I think due to the very weak schedule they had and expecting a healthy Tua again more than overall roster improvement
 
You mean 2024 over 2023? 2025 hasn’t happened yet.

Disagree completely nobody with a brain thought 2024 was an improvement. 2023 starting lineup was the best lineup Miami has put out in the last 20 years by far.

Maybe an improvement over the decimated 18 players on IR and out for the season we played the chiefs in the playoffs with but certainly not the overall roster. Maybe some were hopeful that we’d get better versions of Poyer and obj maybe but end of the day we knew we were going into the season with Eich and Robert jones as starting guards while we were missing our edge rushers. I’m sure predictions for win loss were still 10-12 games last year but I think due to the very weak schedule they had and expecting a healthy Tua again more than overall roster improvement
Whoops.
Color me red faced. - LOL
 
Saying tyreek had a down year as if he just forgot how to play is just dishonest and wrong. He had a down year for HIM* (a borderline top 10 all time wideout) after having the only back to back 1700 yard seasons in league history some scale back was bound to happen. He still put up 959 yards and 6 tds in a year while playing hurt while his qb missed 7 and a half games, with an awful oline that couldn’t run block leading to increased 2 deep looks. If Tua plays the whole year even with the rest of the issues he likely finishes with 1200 yards or so putting him around 5th in receiving and this isn’t much of a talking point anymore. He’ll be back around 1200 to 1300 yards this year if Tua stays healthy, could be more if the oline can run block and teams can’t just sit in two deep all day.

I’ve addressed the rest in my previous post and they all come down to it’d be hard to not improve in the areas I mentioned. We literally were the worst in the league when it came to oline, short yardage conversion, tight end blocking, pass rush, safety play. It’ll take minimal effort for improvement.

Playing the what if game with pointless and can be done for any team. Yes if Tua goes down, we suck. If we lose like 8 starters like we did in 2023 and end up with 18 on IR and out for the season like in 2023, we will suck but at some point if you want to win you get hit with a little luck and players stay healthy. Someone posted the other day comparing the most successful teams last few years to the bad ones and guess what? The ones that got lucky and stayed healthy were the better ones.
On the subject of luck. We lamblast Grier for drafting injured players and signing free agents coming off injuries.

But look at Philadelphia. Carter was coming off an injury and dropped, so they drafted him. He's been a dominant player for the Eagles. This year it was Campbell, a top 15 talent with the labrum injury.

I do think Grier takes too many chances on injured players, but a lot if it cones down to luck.
 
On the subject of luck. We lamblast Grier for drafting injured players and signing free agents coming off injuries.

But look at Philadelphia. Carter was coming off an injury and dropped, so they drafted him. He's been a dominant player for the Eagles. This year it was Campbell, a top 15 talent with the labrum injury.

I do think Grier takes too many chances on injured players, but a lot if it cones down to luck.
TRUE!
 
Saying tyreek had a down year as if he just forgot how to play is just dishonest and wrong. He had a down year for HIM* (a borderline top 10 all time wideout) after having the only back to back 1700 yard seasons in league history some scale back was bound to happen. He still put up 959 yards and 6 tds in a year while playing hurt while his qb missed 7 and a half games, with an awful oline that couldn’t run block leading to increased 2 deep looks. If Tua plays the whole year even with the rest of the issues he likely finishes with 1200 yards or so putting him around 5th in receiving and this isn’t much of a talking point anymore. He’ll be back around 1200 to 1300 yards this year if Tua stays healthy, could be more if the oline can run block and teams can’t just sit in two deep all day.

I’ve addressed the rest in my previous post and they all come down to it’d be hard to not improve in the areas I mentioned. We literally were the worst in the league when it came to oline, short yardage conversion, tight end blocking, pass rush, safety play. It’ll take minimal effort for improvement.

Playing the what if game with pointless and can be done for any team. Yes if Tua goes down, we suck. If we lose like 8 starters like we did in 2023 and end up with 18 on IR and out for the season like in 2023, we will suck but at some point if you want to win you get hit with a little luck and players stay healthy. Someone posted the other day comparing the most successful teams last few years to the bad ones and guess what? The ones that got lucky and stayed healthy were the better ones.
After a while, injuries aren't luck. When you've a GM who consistently picks up bargain players to fill holes... And those players are bargains because they have an injury history... You're asking for it.
 
You mean 2024 over 2023? 2025 hasn’t happened yet.

Disagree completely nobody with a brain thought 2024 was an improvement. 2023 starting lineup was the best lineup Miami has put out in the last 20 years by far.

Maybe an improvement over the decimated 18 players on IR and out for the season we played the chiefs in the playoffs with but certainly not the overall roster. Maybe some were hopeful that we’d get better versions of Poyer and obj maybe but end of the day we knew we were going into the season with Eich and Robert jones as starting guards while we were missing our edge rushers. I’m sure predictions for win loss were still 10-12 games last year but I think due to the very weak schedule they had and expecting a healthy Tua again more than overall roster improvement
Go read that thread I linked. You'll find plenty of posters saying we'd go well, I'd nearly guarantee. Or other similar threads from last off season. It happens every year on here. And those of us who predict less than 10 wins are called

1: deluded
2: haters
3: illogical

And many more.
 
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