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Chad Johnson vs. Keyshawn Johnson

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Realistically thinking: Chad Johnson is not a problem off the field, in the locker room in the media nor does he have a Jessica Simpson. Besides his TD dances he is not a problem on the field. Until late he has never express concern about playing for the Bengals. He never has thrown his QB under the bus or called him gay (T.O) so the Bengals are not going to trade him.

Keyshawn is a great WR, he works well with Parcells, he drafted on the Jets, Parcells left so did Key came to the Cowboys and so did Key. Parcells didn't drive him out like some said. Hes been productive where ever he has gone has had over 800 yds every year besides one (which is more than our current WR core) and he is a great # 2. Booker is not coming back, we think, and Key is a much better WR than Booker is, so bring him back Parcells!!!!
 
fyi to anyone: they are NOT cousins. it was a joke.
 
what about the age? key is 35??? and chad 30???u guys wanna see instant or long term?personally i would like bgoth maybe the draft would be a better option?
 
One major upside to Keyshawn over Chad is that Keyshawn won't cost a draft pick.
 
Realistically thinking: Chad Johnson is not a problem off the field, in the locker room in the media nor does he have a Jessica Simpson. Besides his TD dances he is not a problem on the field. Until late he has never express concern about playing for the Bengals. He never has thrown his QB under the bus or called him gay (T.O) so the Bengals are not going to trade him.

Keyshawn is a great WR, he works well with Parcells, he drafted on the Jets, Parcells left so did Key came to the Cowboys and so did Key. Parcells didn't drive him out like some said. Hes been productive where ever he has gone has had over 800 yds every year besides one (which is more than our current WR core) and he is a great # 2. Booker is not coming back, we think, and Key is a much better WR than Booker is, so bring him back Parcells!!!!

Wow, where to begin?

Chad Johnson is indeed a distraction on and off the field.

CHAD, T.J. "OUT OF CONTROL"

A league source tells us that there is growing animosity in the Bengals locker room toward receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

Per the source, both are yelling "all the time" at quarterback Carson Palmer, but coach Marvin Lewis doesn't say or do anything about it. Players are also upset that the two receivers are trying to "run the team."

The situation reminds us of the latter days of the Denny Green era in Minnesota, where receivers Cris Carter and Randy Moss were berating quarterback Daunte Culpepper and operating under a separate set of rules.

Then there is the fact that he was questioned in a murder investigation. Does that make him a bad person? No, but it makes you wonder about the company that he keeps. Then there was the case of fraud where he put up a brand new vehicle for raffle and after people spent alot of money for a prize they "thought" they were getting, Ocho decided that he was going to give it to his girlfriend instead. Now, if any regular person did that they would be looking at some pretty hefty fines and possible jail time.

And you can't overlook the fact that for the last few weeks he has taken every single opportunity to badmouth his current team and cause distractions for them by begging every team in the NFL to trade for him. That's not what a professional does, a professional goes behind closed doors with his coach and GM and requests a trade, and if they say "no" he deals with it. Instead Ocho Cinco has taken every opportunity to whine and act like a spoiled baby for every camera that is pointed in his direction.

Everyone here was so sure that he wanted to come "home", everyone was so sure that he was sincere only to see him begging to go to Carolina, Oakland, Philly, NE, etc. Is that the type of player you want here? He's whining and complaining about respect and how the Bengals organizaation treated him unfairly.....how? How did they treat him unfairly, he never got around to explaining that part did he? They make him the focus of their offense, they let him do his stupid dances, they let him run his yap all over the media without fines and without suspensions and they pay him millions of dollars to do it! How are they treating him unfairly?

Ocho is indeed a distraction and he doesn't belong anywhere near the Dolphins. If he's willing to act like a dope with the Bengals, what makes you think he won't do that here as well? As a rebuilding team with alot of young players, we need to take character into consideration. Do we want our young players to look up to vets that are hard workers or players that are unabashed attention whores?

And I have a sneaking suspicion that all of this public bellyaching is his way of getting a contract extension.

As far as Meshawn, he isn't going to come in and be a #1 receiver, he is a year removed from the game and wasn't exactly lighting it up in his final year. The guy is 35 and will not take a backseat to our younger WR's, and as a rebuilding team we need to do everything that we can to develop the young guys, not let them rot on the bench so Meshawn or any other over the hill vet can earn one last payday. And like Crunchtime said, I think the Meshawn talk is all about helping him earn a new contract with his current employer, not with Miami.

So all of this talk about Ocho and Meshawn is wasted energy IMO.
 
Wow, where to begin?

Chad Johnson is indeed a distraction on and off the field.



Then there is the fact that he was questioned in a murder investigation. Does that make him a bad person? No, but it makes you wonder about the company that he keeps. Then there was the case of fraud where he put up a brand new vehicle for raffle and after people spent alot of money for a prize they "thought" they were getting, Ocho decided that he was going to give it to his girlfriend instead. Now, if any regular person did that they would be looking at some pretty hefty fines and possible jail time.

And you can't overlook the fact that for the last few weeks he has taken every single opportunity to badmouth his current team and cause distractions for them by begging every team in the NFL to trade for him. That's not what a professional does, a professional goes behind closed doors with his coach and GM and requests a trade, and if they say "no" he deals with it. Instead Ocho Cinco has taken every opportunity to whine and act like a spoiled baby for every camera that is pointed in his direction.

Everyone here was so sure that he wanted to come "home", everyone was so sure that he was sincere only to see him begging to go to Carolina, Oakland, Philly, NE, etc. Is that the type of player you want here? He's whining and complaining about respect and how the Bengals organizaation treated him unfairly.....how? How did they treat him unfairly, he never got around to explaining that part did he? They make him the focus of their offense, they let him do his stupid dances, they let him run his yap all over the media without fines and without suspensions and they pay him millions of dollars to do it! How are they treating him unfairly?

Ocho is indeed a distraction and he doesn't belong anywhere near the Dolphins. If he's willing to act like a dope with the Bengals, what makes you think he won't do that here as well? As a rebuilding team with alot of young players, we need to take character into consideration. Do we want our young players to look up to vets that are hard workers or players that are unabashed attention whores?

And I have a sneaking suspicion that all of this public bellyaching is his way of getting a contract extension.

As far as Meshawn, he isn't going to come in and be a #1 receiver, he is a year removed from the game and wasn't exactly lighting it up in his final year. The guy is 35 and will not take a backseat to our younger WR's, and as a rebuilding team we need to do everything that we can to develop the young guys, not let them rot on the bench so Meshawn or any other over the hill vet can earn one last payday. And like Crunchtime said, I think the Meshawn talk is all about helping him earn a new contract with his current employer, not with Miami.

So all of this talk about Ocho and Meshawn is wasted energy IMO.

L2G man, I love how you are the voice of reason around here on Chad Johnson. Its like youre the only person besides me and a couple others who arent blind. Where do all of these people get the idea that he isnt a cancer or is a team player? The guy is definately good and practices and plays hard, but he is a total me guy, which is not good at all when competing in the ULTIMATE TEAM sport. So many people forget or turn a blind eye to that fraud he pulled off along with all the spats in the locker room.

Good call on Meshawn wanting more money from ESPN too. As pathetic as Emmitt beside him, along with a team maybe interested in him playing, he should get more money out of it.

Like2Mod you are becoming one of my favorite finheaven members afterall. And you still never told me what a PITA receiver is.
 
Nobody likes a ball hog. Give me some unselfish players in a team sport.
 
L2G man, I love how you are the voice of reason around here on Chad Johnson. Its like youre the only person besides me and a couple others who arent blind. Where do all of these people get the idea that he isnt a cancer or is a team player? The guy is definately good and practices and plays hard, but he is a total me guy, which is not good at all when competing in the ULTIMATE TEAM sport. So many people forget or turn a blind eye to that fraud he pulled off along with all the spats in the locker room.
I think the arrival of Parcells has given people a false sense of becoming a good team overnight. They look at stats and big names in the hope that the turn around from a 1-15 team to a playoff contender wil be a quick one. I can't fault them for that, but it just isn't very likely to happen, especially considering that Tuna himself said this isn't going to happen overnight.

Good call on Meshawn wanting more money from ESPN too. As pathetic as Emmitt beside him, along with a team maybe interested in him playing, he should get more money out of it.
That wasn't my observation, that was one of our admin Crunchtime.

Like2Mod you are becoming one of my favorite finheaven members afterall. And you still never told me what a PITA receiver is.

PITA = Pain In The ***
 
so from the looks of it, chad johnson is simply put... above the law.

questioned for this, fraud on that, this and that and this and that, and yet somehow he never gets in legal trouble.

you whine because he demands a trade publicly, thats selfish and a crybaby... you say to do it behind closed doors,

than a mere few sentences later, you want to know why he doesn't come out and tell us how the treated him unfairly.

do you want him to handle the stuff private or publicly, you can't have it both ways.

eli manning had a draft day fiasco.
shaq had a trade from LA fiasco.
TO had a trade fiasco.
Moss had his trouble.

they all went on to do BETTER Things, and since they have gone on, you don't really hear much from them.

in a perfect world, everybody is perfect. the world isn't perfect.

I seem to remembe a bunch of screaming matches on the sidelines with keyshawn, when parcells was around. They seem to be perfect friends. Now the threads all say, parcells doesn't put up with me guys, keyshawn started the ME ME attitudes back in the day.

parcells likes him just fine.

none of this matters anyway, because CJ won't be here next year. I would imagine cincy will pony up the coin, cuz most teams won't just let a star player walk.
 
with this team rebuilding,i don't want a 35 year old receiver in here,i'd rather get our WR through the draft or FA as long as they're still relatively young and can produce for us. the WR we get through the draft,i want them to learn&develop through good coaching and playing time,but again,JMO.
 
so from the looks of it, chad johnson is simply put... above the law.

questioned for this, fraud on that, this and that and this and that, and yet somehow he never gets in legal trouble.

you whine because he demands a trade publicly, thats selfish and a crybaby... you say to do it behind closed doors,

than a mere few sentences later, you want to know why he doesn't come out and tell us how the treated him unfairly.

do you want him to handle the stuff private or publicly, you can't have it both ways.
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Thanks for missing the point entirely. Ocho has done nothing but complain, he has done nothing but whine that he has been treated unfairly..........yet he doesn't go any further. Why? Because it's BS.

We've been over this several times and if you have any more questions or you want to rehash the same old tired sidestep arguments, you can refer back to those posts. If pointing out facts is considered "whining" in your book (because they aren't what you want to hear), I guess I'm a whiner. That doesn't change the fact that they are indeed FACTS.

eli manning had a draft day fiasco.
shaq had a trade from LA fiasco.
TO had a trade fiasco.
Moss had his trouble.

they all went on to do BETTER Things, and since they have gone on, you don't really hear much from them.

in a perfect world, everybody is perfect. the world isn't perfect.

I seem to remembe a bunch of screaming matches on the sidelines with keyshawn, when parcells was around. They seem to be perfect friends. Now the threads all say, parcells doesn't put up with me guys, keyshawn started the ME ME attitudes back in the day.

parcells likes him just fine.

none of this matters anyway, because CJ won't be here next year. I would imagine cincy will pony up the coin, cuz most teams won't just let a star player walk.
Eli Manning's draft day refusal was orchestrated by his father if memory serves, it doesn't come anywhere close to Ocho's antics. Shaq and Kobe were like oil and water, Kobe was in the wrong IMO and Shaq got his trade wish. Did he handle it well? Nope, but personally I don't care because I don't like the Lakers or the Heat and it doesn't impact the Miami Dolphins. TO is a POS, nuff said. And Moss has been in trouble since he became a Patriot, he was accused of striking a woman at a club. And the only reason he was playing "good soldier" is because he was on a winning team. If you think that he would have done the same elsewhere, you obviously haven't payed too close attention to him while he was in Minnesota and Oakland.

Nice try though.
 
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