Chambers, least valuable WR

[bluehaze]

I'm tired of repeating myself to you and I'm tired of you ignoring all the evidence I've posted.

I'm tired of your use of irrelevant statistics.

I'm tired of your claim that a receiver can affect a quarterback's accuracy. A receiver has a limited effect on a quarterback's completion percentage. The quarterback is at fault for bad throws and batted balls, not the receiver. The receiver is at fault for dropped passes.

I've already explained the receiver "making reads" issue. If you're so knowledgeable about the position, then explain to me what I missed.

Another candidate for the ignore list. Maybe someone else will go to the trouble of explaining the importance of recievers making good reads and adjusting to the ball, but I do not have the patience because I have tried and you just can't seem to comprehend it. You seem to think your opinions are evidence and statistics are irrelevant. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion under these circumstances, so I give up.

Cheers m8

 

[flintsilver7]

Dude, you are delusional I think i'm going to put you on ignore because you are just making crap up now. I never said Chambers sucked in 2005, I simply said his performance in 2005 was not impressive when compared to the rest of the #1 recievers in this league. Went to the trouble of providing all the statistical information to back up my stance and you just continue to spout nonsense.

Glenn's 7% dropoff is bigger than Chambers 20% :confused:

I already said it once, but I will say it again you just argue for the sake of arguing.

Welcome to my ignore list.


Cheers.

You use the wrong statistics (or irrelevant statistics). Chambers is not having a good year. You say that's because Chambers isn't good and I say it's because the league's second worst quarterback (worst, practically, since Vince Young can run the ball) is throwing to him.

You have yet to respond to the list I posted. Show me where any other receiver has to deal with no less than 9 (out of 11) uncatchable passes. Please, Mr. Football Genius.

 

[flintsilver7]

Another candidate for the ignore list. Maybe someone else will go to the trouble of explaining the importance of recievers making good reads and adjusting to the ball, but I do not have the patience because I have tried and you just can't seem to comprehend it. You seem to think your opinions are evidence and statistics are irrelevant. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion under these circumstances, so I give up.

Cheers m8

What on earth do I care if I get put on your ignore list?

Maybe someone else will go to the trouble of explaining receivers making reads because it's illogical and you can't explain it. Receivers can do the following:

1) Pick the best spot to go to on an option route. This I talked about.
2) On a very limited basis, put moves on the cornerback to get open. This must be limited since the receiver has a set route to run.
3) Attempt to slow down, cut, speed up, or some other such method to attempt to catch an otherwise poorly-thrown ball.

If you find a receiver doing a lot of #3, then the quarterback is bad. Replace him.

 

[tylerdolphin]

I'm tired of repeating myself to you and I'm tired of you ignoring all the evidence I've posted.

I'm tired of your use of irrelevant statistics.

I'm tired of your claim that a receiver can affect a quarterback's accuracy. A receiver has a limited effect on a quarterback's completion percentage. The quarterback is at fault for bad throws and batted balls, not the receiver. The receiver is at fault for dropped passes.

I've already explained the receiver "making reads" issue. If you're so knowledgeable about the position, then explain to me what I missed.

Its pointless to try argue with him. He still has not answered the question as to why almost all the good recievers he listed have good/great QBs. Im sure he will say the Wrs make the QB good. I dont think its coincidence BTW that Roy Williams is having a career year just after Joey leaves.

 

[bluehaze]

Its pointless to try argue with him. He still has not answered the question as to why almost all the good recievers he listed have good/great QBs. Im sure he will say the Wrs make the QB good.

I guess you missed it here you go I will repost it so you don't actually have to read the whole thread before making ridiculous statements.

Not at all, I clearly said Gradkowski is a terrible QB which explains the 42% catch percentage I simply said Galloway is still doing well relative to the number of passes thrown his way despite the QB he has. I eliminated the catch % since you feel it is somehow decieving and seem to have such a problem with it.

Here are some more examples for you with Chambers numbers as reference:

Culpepper/Harrington to Chambers:

140 Passes 622 Yards

David Carr to Andre Johnson:

152 Passes 1095 Yards

Eli Manning to Plaxico Burress:

111 Passes 907 Yards

Brunell/Campbell to Santana Moss:

84 passes 635 Yards

Walter/Brooks to Randy Moss:

97 Passes 553 Yards

Gradkowski to Joey Galloway:

125 passes 905 Yards


There are many more than just these as well...

 

[flintsilver7]

I guess you missed it here you go I will repost it so you don't actually have to read the whole thread before making ridiculous statements.

Galloway had 10 catches for 169 yards in three games with Chris Simms.

He was shut out in the first game with three passes thrown in his direction; two were passes defensed.

In the second and third games, Galloway had only two incomplete passes thrown his way; both were passes defensed.

So, with Chris Simms (career 71.2 rating) throwing to him, Galloway caught 10 out of 15 passes (66.7%) for 169 yards. (Useless imaginary Receiver YPA: 11.27)

With Tim Rattay (career 82.6 rating) throwing to him, Galloway has caught 6 out of 12 passes (50%) for 147 yards. (Useless imaginary Receiver YPA: 12.25)

With Bruce Gradkowski (career 65.9 rating) throwing to him, Galloway has caught 36 out of 98 (36.7%) for 589 yards. (Useless imaginary Receiver YPA: 6.0)

What the hell? I thought the quarterback had nothing to do with it?

Do you notice, perhaps, a huge drop in "catch percentage" with the quarterback switch? (It looks like a factor of two!) Isn't it odd that the guy with the worst quarterback rating produces the worst results?

 

[bluehaze]

With Bruce Gradkowski (career 65.9 rating) throwing to him, Galloway has caught 36 out of 98 (36.7%) for 589 yards. (Useless imaginary Receiver YPA: 6.0)

Not going to bother checking your info, no need to, even with your breakdown

Galloway 98 Passes 589 Yards
Chambers 140 Passes 622 Yards

Lets's see here that means Galloway with 140 passes from Gradkowski would be at 841 Yards!

What was your point again?

 

[jdang307]

Not going to bother checking your info, no need to, even with your breakdown

Galloway 98 Passes 589 Yards
Chambers 140 Passes 622 Yards

Lets's see here that means Galloway with 140 passes from Gradkowski would be at 841 Yards!

What was your point again?

Evidence that Joey sucks? (harrington, not galloway)

bluehaze you have to stop extrapolating as I already show you that it is flawed to do so earlier regarding Hines Ward. But you don't like logic.

 

[flintsilver7]

Not going to bother checking your info, no need to, even with your breakdown

Galloway 98 Passes 589 Yards
Chambers 140 Passes 622 Yards

Lets's see here that means Galloway with 140 passes from Gradkowski would be at 841 Yards!

What was your point again?

You seem to think more Yards automatically makes a reciever better when in fact any reciever could put up 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts that is only 6.7 YPA :eek:

You said that, not me. My point was that a better quarterback will produce better results and that Galloway is evidence of that. My other point is that Harrington is trash, like the majority of quarterbacks Chambers has played with.

 

[HybridPHIN 23]

Rk Player Team REC ATT YDS AVG TD Total DPAR
1. Chris Chambers MIA 0 10 00.00 0 0 -5.0

That's right, kids: 10 passes, no catches. I don't care how bad the quarterbacks are in Miami, that's remarkable. Chambers has now caught just 39 percent of intended passes on the season. The average for wide receivers is 56 percent. Marty Booker and Wes Welker are both above 60 percent. Chambers has -17.4 DPAR on the season, which is nearly double the second-lowest total for wide receivers (Alvis Whitted at -8.8 DPAR).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6285658

my favorite part of your posts are the part where you totally direct blame off of harrington......... that was the worst QB'd game i've seen in a while dude.......... where the hell do you get off ripping on the WRs? THis nonsense makes my head hurt. The only stat you ever use is that bonehead times thrown to verses times caught........ That's a bogus stat that rate's the qb about as much as the WR. And marty and Wes have had more success why ? because they run the short intermediate routes and thats as far as we can throw the ball. Unacceptable ignorance like usual.... quit twisting things around to try it make it appear like Joey hasnt played this poorly. ya gotta Take all aspects into account when you do your stellar analysis.

 

[bluehaze]

my favorite part of your posts are the part where you totally direct blame off of harrington.........

Where have I done this? Please provide a quote...oh that's right you can't because your talking out your backside again.

 

[HybridPHIN 23]

Where have I done this? Please provide a quote...oh that's right you can't because your talking out your backside again.

"oh thats right heeeeheeeeeheeeee" Hardly

oh yeah and i don't need to provide a quote becuase the whole topic of this thread is proof you direct blame off Harrington, and you can't even see THAT !.... (blaming CC for not catching any of those 10 beautiful balls he got) if your gunna act so sure why not get the facts straight... how many passes should even be deemed catchable ??? if 10 were thrown and joey threw them all, but only 4-6 were even catchable, would you actually blame the WR for the bad passes ?? Also take note that some throws are actually intended to be thrown away near a certain reciever to avaoid INt. grounding and that counts as a pass to him alos. Point being : Your favorite Stat is crap.

 

[bluehaze]

"oh thats right heeeeheeeeeheeeee" Hardly

oh yeah and i don't need to provide a quote becuase the whole topic of this thread is proof you direct blame off Harrington, and you can't even see THAT !.... (blaming CC for not catching any of those 10 beautiful balls he got) if your gunna act so sure why not get the facts straight... how many passes should even be deemed catchable ??? if 10 were thrown and joey threw them all, but only 4-6 were even catchable, would you actually blame the WR for the bad passes ?? Also take note that some throws are actually intended to be thrown away near a certain reciever to avaoid INt. grounding and that counts as a pass to him alos. Point being : Your favorite Stat is crap.

You dont provide a quote because one doesn't exist it's as simple as that. You percieve my posts as directing blame off of Harrington simply because you are infatuated with Chambers, just look at your name and sig man...my name is not AirHarrington3 I have repeatedly said the same applies regardless who is at QB this thread was started from an article that slams Harrington as well for his poor performance and yet somehow I am biased for posting this information and am trying to defend Harrington?

Perhaps you should actually read the article and the whole thread before coming to your ridiculous conclusions. Had you done that you would see that 90% of the posters in this thread agree that Chambers is overrated but let me guess, in your mind 90% of the board is biased?