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This is from a chat with Aaron Schatz who writes for FootballOutsiders.com and Pro Football Prospectus. He knows his stuff. It's interesting to see what he has to say about the Ronnie/Ricky situation.

roguerouge (JP, MA)
: Your site has gotten the rep for being quite good at picking players that will decline. How badly do you want to shed that vulture reputation, or are you fine with it? And what will it take to shed that rep with fantasy players? Aaron Schatz: This sort of ties in with the last question. I have no desire to shed that vulture reputation. Why is it a problem? I would definitely love to get better at projecting improvement, but I don't mind that Football Outsiders is known as "the guys who told me to stay away from Shaun Alexander the last two years." Again, so much of predicting sleepers is about reading tea leaves in July and August, and reading the minds of coaches. Even when presented with a situation where one player is clearly better than the other, coaches will sometimes play the inferior back, and what can KUBIAK do to predict this? For example, there is no reason for Miami to start Ricky Williams over Ronnie Brown. NONE. Ronnie Brown is by far the more talented back. Ricky Williams has never, ever been as good as Ronnie Brown. If Brown's ACL injury isn't healed enough for him to be better than Ricky Williams, he shouldn't be behind Williams on the depth chart. He should be spending the first six weeks of the season on PUP so he can come back healthy.
 
Wow. I totally disagree. Ricky has has had amazing seasons in the NFL and for the Fins. Ronnie has yet to come close to delivering on the promise and can barley stay healthy. Ricky has led the league in rushing and been to the Pro Bowl. Ronnie has disappointed since he was drafted with at #2 overall. For this guy to say "Ricky Williams has never been as good as Ronnie Brown" completely destroys any credibility he has as far as I am concerned.
 
I do agree with one thing,putting Ronnie on PUP for a bit... Ronnie needs to heal COMPLETELY before getting back on the field. There is no real reason to push this with Ricky in the backfield.
 
Ricky has had 1 great season and one good season. He hasn't had an amazing career. Pretty average, but what ever. It only costed us 2 first round picks.
 
I think his reasoning for Ricky is that out of his 6 full or mostly full seasons, he has only had a yards per carry above the league average twice. His career ypc is 4.0 which is below league average. Ronnie's is 4.4. They put a lot of stock into that.
 
I think Ricky has proven when he is on the field he is a dominant back. If you are going to compare the two in terms of success, Ronnie has not even had one very good season. Once again disppointing for the #2 overall. Even this preseason Ricky still shows that elite talent he always has had.

I also agree Ronnie should go on PUP if he is still hurting.
 
This is from a chat with Aaron Schatz who writes for FootballOutsiders.com and Pro Football Prospectus. He knows his stuff. It's interesting to see what he has to say about the Ronnie/Ricky situation.

roguerouge (JP, MA): Your site has gotten the rep for being quite good at picking players that will decline. How badly do you want to shed that vulture reputation, or are you fine with it? And what will it take to shed that rep with fantasy players? Aaron Schatz: This sort of ties in with the last question. I have no desire to shed that vulture reputation. Why is it a problem? I would definitely love to get better at projecting improvement, but I don't mind that Football Outsiders is known as "the guys who told me to stay away from Shaun Alexander the last two years." Again, so much of predicting sleepers is about reading tea leaves in July and August, and reading the minds of coaches. Even when presented with a situation where one player is clearly better than the other, coaches will sometimes play the inferior back, and what can KUBIAK do to predict this? For example, there is no reason for Miami to start Ricky Williams over Ronnie Brown. NONE. Ronnie Brown is by far the more talented back. Ricky Williams has never, ever been as good as Ronnie Brown. If Brown's ACL injury isn't healed enough for him to be better than Ricky Williams, he shouldn't be behind Williams on the depth chart. He should be spending the first six weeks of the season on PUP so he can come back healthy.

Before more people take this seriously.. pleasre tell me you can sense the sarcasm in his talk about ricky/ronnie!:rolleyes:
 
Wow. I totally disagree. Ricky has has had amazing seasons in the NFL and for the Fins. Ronnie has yet to come close to delivering on the promise and can barley stay healthy. Ricky has led the league in rushing and been to the Pro Bowl. Ronnie has disappointed since he was drafted with at #2 overall. For this guy to say "Ricky Williams has never been as good as Ronnie Brown" completely destroys any credibility he has as far as I am concerned.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself.
 
No Canadian I think his rebuttle further down indicates he is serious. Belive it or not.
 
Before more people take this seriously.. pleasre tell me you can sense the sarcasm in his talk about ricky/ronnie!:rolleyes:

I know it seems like he's being sarcastic but he's not. Their statistics are really complex and he really believes that. The overall ratings are based on yards per carry, play by play running, defenses played against, success running on first, second and third down and all kinds of stuff like that. You should check it out. It's pretty interesting.
 
I can't agree with that. Ronnie has been very good at his best. Ricky has been better at his best.
 
Before more people take this seriously.. pleasre tell me you can sense the sarcasm in his talk about ricky/ronnie!:rolleyes:


I hope so......I was back and forth whether or not it was ligit!

He couldn't be serious about Ricky never being as good as Ronnie. Not saying that Ronnie is bad or anything he just hasn't produced an 1800 yard season.
 
I'm not trying to turn this into a Ricky vs. Ronnie thread or anything like that. I love both of them. I just found this point of view interesting. Seriously. Ignore the raw totals and look at Ricky's ypc in each year of his career.
 
I think his reasoning for Ricky is that out of his 6 full or mostly full seasons, he has only had a yards per carry above the league average twice. His career ypc is 4.0 which is below league average. Ronnie's is 4.4. They put a lot of stock into that.

You know if I had one carry for 8 yards and couldn't play the rest of the game I would have twice the league average. But I darn sure would not be a great or even good back. I think people forget how Ricky just dominates games when he is in there. Even when we had the crappiest OLine he was pulling off 200 plus yard games. The man has mad skills.

Ronnie has shown occassional solid games, but nowhere near the same impact.

Sorry I dont think its even close.
 
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