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Cian Fahey's pre-draft breakdown on Jared Goff (it ain't pretty)

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It’s possible to be the best player at a position in a given class without being a good prospect. When you conflate best available with quality prospect is when you overpay at draft time and over-expect afterwards.

Jared Goff is the best quarterback available in the 2016 draft. He’s also not a particularly impressive player.

Goff isn’t close to the quality of Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota from last year’s class. He wouldn’t have been close Teddy Bridgewater as the best prospect in the previous class. Each of those three quarterbacks had obvious traits that would translate to the NFL, each showed off poise in the pocket, intelligence breaking down coverages and consistent accuracy.

Any quarterback who enters the draft needs to have shown off his strengths on a consistent basis against inferior opponents at that level. You can make mistakes, everyone does. How often you make mistakes and how much you need to develop will ultimately determine if you deserve to start in the NFL though.

It didn’t matter that Jameis Winston turned the ball over too much, his intelligence and process in the pocket were prevalent in every game he played. It didn’t matter that Marcus Mariota played in a supposedly simple scheme, his skill set could transcend his situation. It didn’t matter that Bridgewater couldn’t throw the deep ball, he consistently played to the greater strengths of his skill set.

Throughout his time at California, Goff made plenty of mistakes. Instead of acting as exemptions, those mistakes highlighted flaws that were consistent throughout his play.

More at the link:

http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/06/jared-goff-best-available-quarterback/

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I like our odds but I'm not gonna just proclaim a stomping. Just play smart and disciplined and we should be able to though. We've seen inferior and inexperienced qbs shred us in the past. New year new team though
 
Well the Rams are supposedly legit concerned with how raw Goff is and how unprepared he is, but Keenum is so bad they can't hide from pressure anymore
 
I like our odds but I'm not gonna just proclaim a stomping. Just play smart and disciplined and we should be able to though. We've seen inferior and inexperienced qbs shred us in the past. New year new team though

I get that we're all a bit beaten down. We've been here before and had our nuts dragged over a cheese grater.

But Goff is... bad. His coaches don't believe in him. His teammates don't believe in him. If he makes a few mistakes early, the avalanche could get rolling.

I've spent a lot of time as a pessimist. But pessimism must come with reasons, otherwise it's just an attitude. A pose. A defense mechanism. If we cannot enjoy being a fan when it's good, we should not get so down when it's bad.

Our defense should dominate their offense. WE might not move the ball either, but that's not what this thread is about. It's about a highlight package on ESPN with the Benny Hill theme as Goff does a John Beck impression.
 
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Fools Gold! If you're smart you won't set yourself up with all this "how bad he is" stuff. The Dolphins and players better not either. Go into the damn game with the mindset that you're going to face Dan Marino in his prime.
 
this isn't anything against the op for posting this but we saw this same stuff on garrappolo and the evidence was bad and then he promptly went out and put up just about a perfect qb rating against us

:(
 
this isn't anything against the op for posting this but we saw this same stuff on garrappolo and the evidence was bad and then he promptly went out and put up just about a perfect qb rating against us

:(

True but that was also NE were talking about who beat the texans the following week with the 3rd string QB.

To be fair we have had sub par QB make us looks silly in the past but lets hope Gase and VJ are a little better coaches.

I expect him to make some plays and also to make some mistakes. We need to capitalize on any mistakes to help the offense a little this game.
 
True but that was also NE were talking about who beat the texans the following week with the 3rd string QB.

To be fair we have had sub par QB make us looks silly in the past but lets hope Gase and VJ are a little better coaches.

I expect him to make some plays and also to make some mistakes. We need to capitalize on any mistakes to help the offense a little this game.

well we do have sub par corners playing...d line better eat...they no show or play average we got problems

on offense I think people should get with Miami playing for fgs...cause points are gonna be at a premium and Miami does not want to expose itself to that pass rush chasing the scoreboard...let the scoreboard dictate but don't lose your lunch if gase settles for fgs cause the game dictates it
 
this isn't anything against the op for posting this but we saw this same stuff on garrappolo and the evidence was bad and then he promptly went out and put up just about a perfect qb rating against us

:(
While this is very true (and I not only see your point, I FEEL it as well) Goff doesn't have Belicheat as a Coach or Brady as a mentor. Nor do the Rams have anything close to the Patriot offensive line.
 
this isn't anything against the op for posting this but we saw this same stuff on garrappolo and the evidence was bad and then he promptly went out and put up just about a perfect qb rating against us

:(

We were also playing much worse then. That was before the Cleveland game, which we almost lost. And Garrapolo has also been in the league for three years and is coached by people who deserve to have NFL jobs. I mean that coaching staff made Matt Cassel look like a legitimate player.

LA is a clown show from the ownership to the coaching staff to the offensive talent (outside of Gurley, and they don't have enough to even let a player like him shine). Goff looks like a little kid who's going to his first haunted house. Can't compare the two situations.
 
yeah maybe I'm just having too many visions of us struggling against crappy teams and crappy qbs of the past
 
yeah maybe I'm just having too many visions of us struggling against crappy teams and crappy qbs of the past

I think we all have that anxiety... Because, let's be honest, a 4 game winning streak is awesome and fills one with hope. But after decades of struggle and false hope, its going to take a lot more than 4 games to win the confidence of many fans back. I probably won't feel secure that the old demons are gone until we reach the playoffs twice.
 
It's disconcerting that if not for father and son Demoff leveraging a gullible Ross to extract more money and control out of a gullible Stan Kroenke, Jeff Fisher would still be the Fins mediocre HC and worse, our de facto General Manager (not that Tannenbum is much better). And reports of recent vintage still indicate that despite his unimpressive Rams tenure and more losing than winning seasons overall, he's nevertheless "untouchable."

Ponderous man, ****ing ponderous!!!!!!
 
yeah maybe I'm just having too many visions of us struggling against crappy teams and crappy qbs of the past

Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate areas of concern. We're on the road for the second week after a victory -- always a down situation, especially after the first road game was a win. And especially especially when the second game is against a non-conference opponent.

The Rams are also streaky. They have more talent -- especially on defense -- than they play to. That roster is basically full of great athletes who have cottage cheese between their ears. The Bengals traffic in the same players, but unlike the Bengals' top flight coaching staff, the Rams have clowns.

But... when that team plays their best they can play with anybody. They were especially tough in the Edward Jones Dome but they don't seem to be playing with their same fire in the Colosseum. I could easily see us turning the ball over a few times. I mean we can't expect the streak we're on with not turning the ball over to last.

But Goff ain't gonna be the trouble. That's all I'm saying.
 
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alec ogletree is the defensive captain...that should tell you all you need to know about the locker room
 
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