Coaching is overrated

[nick1]

yes great coaching can help a team just look at the Patriots but it's the players who win games not coachs. coachs can make it alot easier for the players to be successful but in the end it's talent that is most important. the main reason the Patriots keep winning come postseason isn't Belichek. it's Tom Brady who is perhaps the most clutch QB in the league. think about it, did Belichek come up with a gameplan of stopping LT? no he didn't, LT ran for over 100 yards and 2 TDs. I bring this up because everybody stays how great of a gameplanner Belichek is but in the end did he really stop LT? no he didn't. Tom Brady was super clutch as always and the Pats came away with some turnovers to help them win. and their rookie kicker made the FG for the win.

So I don't care who the head coach is if we have talent we will win. I'm more worried about who the GM is than who the HC is and we have a good GM in Mueller

 

[zonk4ever]

It's not rocket science, the Falcons and Cardinals made their picks. The Giants have a new personnel guy. Our selection process is so vague & amateurish, one can only deduce that the Head Coach really is insignificant to this organization. So even though we jnow the Head Coach is extremely important, we have act like it isn't because this thing keeps draggin' aLONG!

 

[Ryan1973]

yes great coaching can help a team just look at the Patriots but it's the players who win games not coachs. coachs can make it alot easier for the players to be successful but in the end it's talent that is most important. the main reason the Patriots keep winning come postseason isn't Belichek. it's Tom Brady who is perhaps the most clutch QB in the league. think about it, did Belichek come up with a gameplan of stopping LT? no he didn't, LT ran for over 100 yards and 2 TDs. I bring this up because everybody stays how great of a gameplanner Belichek is but in the end did he really stop LT? no he didn't. Tom Brady was super clutch as always and the Pats came away with some turnovers to help them win. and their rookie kicker made the FG for the win.

So I don't care who the head coach is if we have talent we will win. I'm more worried about who the GM is than who the HC is and we have a good GM in Mueller

Talent does win in this league, but a good coach helps a lot. But Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with Dallas and didn't do any coaching on that team. So you have a point to some degree.

 

[CitizenSnips]

yes great coaching can help a team just look at the Patriots but it's the players who win games not coachs. coachs can make it alot easier for the players to be successful but in the end it's talent that is most important. the main reason the Patriots keep winning come postseason isn't Belichek. it's Tom Brady who is perhaps the most clutch QB in the league. think about it, did Belichek come up with a gameplan of stopping LT? no he didn't, LT ran for over 100 yards and 2 TDs. I bring this up because everybody stays how great of a gameplanner Belichek is but in the end did he really stop LT? no he didn't. Tom Brady was super clutch as always and the Pats came away with some turnovers to help them win. and their rookie kicker made the FG for the win.

So I don't care who the head coach is if we have talent we will win. I'm more worried about who the GM is than who the HC is and we have a good GM in Mueller

Maybe Belichecks gameplan wasnt to stop LT, but rather, to stop everyone else. I dont remember Gates having a big game? I know Rivers struggled. None of the receivers had huge games either. Why would he gameplan to stop LT, when he could just stop the rest of LT's team?

In the game of chess, You dont attack the king, you take out his men first.

 

[CitizenSnips]

It's not rocket science, the Falcons and Cardinals made their picks. The Giants have a new personnel guy. Our selection process is so vague & amateurish, one can only deduce that the Head Coach really is insignificant to this organization. So even though we jnow the Head Coach is extremely important, we have act like it isn't because this thing keeps draggin' aLONG!

Yeah and the falcons ended up with a college coach and the cardinals ended up with a Mularkey Clone. Keep tabs on these two franchises and see how far they get with these two.

 

[EAZY 0]

my *** bellicek didnt win that game for them...

before a few fluke plays toward the end of the year, NE didnt give up a long TD run all year. If you watched the game vs. SD, you would know that there were about 3 or 4 runs where LT would make it to the second and third level. But NE never let him break that big TD run. that all goes back to coaching.

offensively, NE knew they had to get points any way they could. they started out using a lot of two TE sets. but before that drive at the end of the first half, they switched to using 3 WR sets. This was a great adjustment and really jumpstarted the NE offense. now here is the real genius of bellichek...he knew he couldnt let SD just run and run out the clock. that is why he abandoned the run game in the second-half. he knew he had to attack the SD secondary. and that is what they did. brady had a few INTs, but that was fine, it fit into the game plan. they wanted to attack the SD secondary, and if it meant giving up some INTs, they would do it.

i think that last sunday was one of bellichek's best efforts.

 

[tcdrover]

Billichik is the best coach out there period.

Coaching maybe overrated in other sports, but not in the NFL.

Walsh created that 49'er dynasty based on his offense. I think JJ was over-rated as a coach. He won based on talent, & he proved that when he couldn't win here.

But Billichik has done it with coaching. He doesn't have that many great players. Remember back when the Rams were an invincible force?

Or the Colts with Manning? Billichik always found a way to out scheme & beat MUCH better teams.

The Chargers should have won that game, they were out-coached and out-played by a mentally tougher team.

 

[Ryan1973]

Billichik is the best coach out there period.

Coaching maybe overrated in other sports, but not in the NFL.

Walsh created that 49'er dynasty based on his offense. I think JJ was over-rated as a coach. He won based on talent, & he proved that when he couldn't win here.

But Billichik has done it with coaching. He doesn't have that many great players. Remember back when the Rams were an invincible force?

Or the Colts with Manning? Billichik always found a way to out scheme & beat MUCH better teams.

The Chargers should have won that game, they were out-coached and out-played by a mentally tougher team.

Ya, but Belichick didn't do that great in Cleveland. The difference is he has Tom Brady and better players now than he did then. It still comes down to the players. Do you think if Belichick was coaching the Lions this year, that they would be a Super Bowl contender? I serious doubt it. They might have won a couple of more games, but thats about it.

 

[EAZY 0]

Ya, but Belichick didn't do that great in Cleveland. The difference is he has Tom Brady and better players now than he did then. It still comes down to the players. Do you think if Belichick was coaching the Lions this year, that they would be a Super Bowl contender? I serious doubt it. They might have won a couple of more games, but thats about it.

yes, he does have tom brady...

but if anyone else coached the patriots, they wouodnt be where they are now...belichek has taken an average team to the AFC title game yet again.

 

[PhinsRock]

Billichik is the best coach out there period.

Coaching maybe overrated in other sports, but not in the NFL.

Walsh created that 49'er dynasty based on his offense. I think JJ was over-rated as a coach. He won based on talent, & he proved that when he couldn't win here.

But Billichik has done it with coaching. He doesn't have that many great players. Remember back when the Rams were an invincible force?

Or the Colts with Manning? Billichik always found a way to out scheme & beat MUCH better teams.

The Chargers should have won that game, they were out-coached and out-played by a mentally tougher team .

Perfect example why the essence of this thread is bogus. If the HC meant so little to NFL teams, why do they pay thse guys millions of $$ to be HC?

 

[tcdrover]

Ya, but Belichick didn't do that great in Cleveland. The difference is he has Tom Brady and better players now than he did then. It still comes down to the players. Do you think if Belichick was coaching the Lions this year, that they would be a Super Bowl contender? I serious doubt it. They might have won a couple of more games, but thats about it.

No the Browns bit, but he is the guy who benched Kosar & brought in Vinny Testaverde. I think he has learned with experience, but I also think he would have turned the Browns around with a little more time. Testaverde ended up being a good QB. When they brought him in to the Browns he was considered garbage.

The Pats draft well, and they do the opposite of us. They are always collecting extra draft picks for NEXT year, while we are always trading away next years picks. It's like we are digging a deeper and deeper hole...

 

[satz]

Bellicheck

1986 NFC divisional playoffs - Defensive cordinator
49`s 49-3 win Monata lost after getting a concussion by nose tackle

1990 NFC Title Game - Defensive Cordinator
Montana Lost as the defensive killed him and kicked him off the play off

SB XXV - Defensive cordinator
Bills and K-Gun offense gave the gaints no chance of a win the defence held it to 19 and won 20-19.This was on the america`s game episode on NFL network and you can hear all the LBand DL saying the game plan BB put together was weird and they expected to loose but on hindsight the thing worked.


SB XXXVI - HC
"Greatest show on turf" stopped for 17 won 20-17
SB RUN WON
2003 - Indy with its offence is unstoppable WON
2003 - Eagles DL is going to kill the Pats offence WON
2004 - Indy with its offence is unstoppable WON
2004 Steelers - 15-1 and are going to end the pats run WON lost in afc champship - WON
2004 SB - WON

I guess this is overrated?

 

[unifiedtheory]

Coaching in a lot of sports is overrated....not football though.

 

[Geforce]

yes great coaching can help a team just look at the Patriots but it's the players who win games not coachs. coachs can make it alot easier for the players to be successful but in the end it's talent that is most important. the main reason the Patriots keep winning come postseason isn't Belichek. it's Tom Brady who is perhaps the most clutch QB in the league. think about it, did Belichek come up with a gameplan of stopping LT? no he didn't, LT ran for over 100 yards and 2 TDs. I bring this up because everybody stays how great of a gameplanner Belichek is but in the end did he really stop LT? no he didn't. Tom Brady was super clutch as always and the Pats came away with some turnovers to help them win. and their rookie kicker made the FG for the win.

So I don't care who the head coach is if we have talent we will win. I'm more worried about who the GM is than who the HC is and we have a good GM in Mueller

Coaching is overrated? That sounds like something a scientist or mathematician would say.

 

[Huck Phinn]

yes great coaching can help a team just look at the Patriots but it's the players who win games not coachs. coachs can make it alot easier for the players to be successful but in the end it's talent that is most important. the main reason the Patriots keep winning come postseason isn't Belichek. it's Tom Brady who is perhaps the most clutch QB in the league. think about it, did Belichek come up with a gameplan of stopping LT? no he didn't, LT ran for over 100 yards and 2 TDs. I bring this up because everybody stays how great of a gameplanner Belichek is but in the end did he really stop LT? no he didn't. Tom Brady was super clutch as always and the Pats came away with some turnovers to help them win. and their rookie kicker made the FG for the win.

So I don't care who the head coach is if we have talent we will win. I'm more worried about who the GM is than who the HC is and we have a good GM in Mueller

Never under estimate a great gameplan and disciplined execution of that gameplan. It'll beat a team of under-coached premadonnas every time.