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Coaching vs. Personnel

The coaching staff's view: We did as well as we could under difficult circumstances and talent that simply wasn't good enough.

The personnel department's view: We provided enough talent to get this team to the playoffs and the development and coaching of that talent failed to get us there.
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If this is what's going on, they might as well get rid of everybody. I mean neither one has done enough to put up much of an argument the way I see it. Both sides seem to be a mess.
 
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Look at some of the players we had that are excelling on other teams, or teams that are in the playoffs.

Marshall - excelling.
S.Smith - Playoffs
V.Davis - Playoffs
Dansby - Playoffs
Bush - Excelling.

We had tons of talent on this team. Our coaching has sucked for YEARS. Since Wannestedt. And STILL we don't clean house fully.

Get rid of everybody, and let a new GM pick his coach, and allow accountability to reign from top to bottom. Too many scattered parts.

Create clear defined roles. GM answers to owner or president, head coach answers to the GM. OC's and asst. coaches answer to HC.

Ross has to pick that ONE right guy and let him do all the hiring. Just ONE.

Just do it.
 
This is what happens when the owner has a head coach report directly to him, as does the GM, with the 3rd wheel [D. Aponte] also reporting into him directly. And considering he has limited experience in football, it's a most unusual set up.
 
Canadianfishfan said:
Look at some of the players we had that are excelling on other teams, or teams that are in the playoffs.

Marshall - excelling.
S.Smith - Playoffs
V.Davis - Playoffs
Dansby - Playoffs
Bush - Excelling.

We had tons of talent on this team. Our coaching has sucked for YEARS. Since Wannestedt. And STILL we don't clean house fully.

Get rid of everybody, and let a new GM pick his coach, and allow accountability to reign from top to bottom. Too many scattered parts.

Create clear defined roles. GM answers to owner or president, head coach answers to the GM. OC's and asst. coaches answer to HC.

Ross has to pick that ONE right guy and let him do all the hiring. Just ONE.

Just do it.
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Only way Dansby is in the playoffs is if he bought tickets to go see someone play.


Also, anyone that understands the schemes, even a little bit, can see that we don't have the right personnel for the schemes the coaches want to run.
 
I'm not sure how the personnel department can view itself as having provided the necessary talent to win when the team is still working with a developmental QB who has never played a full season at even an average level of performance in the important areas.

Of course that QB may develop in the future and play at the level necessary to be highly competitive in the NFL, but until and unless that happens, the personnel department hasn't done what it needs to do to make the team highly competitive.
 
The team had enough talent to be 8-6 and yet choked...that is not on talent. That is on Joe.
 
2 way street, there are quite a few instances of us not having the players for the schemes, but there are also instances of the coaches making poor adjustments to the talent they have available.

I think a case can be made for either side. With the OL I dont know exactly what the plan was for the interior of the OL, but guys like Joe Samuda and Lance Louis were given every opportunity to win a starting spot and failed. Dallas Thomas was being groomed as the backup OT and it was a disaster. We didn't have a plan if Martin failed. I think a big part of that is on the personnel. BUT the lack of adjustment in some of the playcalling this year and lack of diverse use in certain pieces was underwhelming for the coaches as well.

Here's the thing, if it comes down to either keeping Jeff Ireland or No Changes to the Staff, which do you chose?
 
Hayden Fox said:
The team had enough talent to be 8-6 and yet choked...that is not on talent. That is on Joe.
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Tannehill's two sub-50 QB ratings are on Philbin? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to win in the NFL when your quarterback is playing that poorly?
 
Hayden Fox said:
The team had enough talent to be 8-6 and yet choked...that is not on talent. That is on Joe.
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The 'talent' on offense sucks. Position by position it is below average, except for maybe WRs which are merely average. How do you consistently win with below avg talent? You don't.
 
it's mostly personnel..poor fits for what they want to run or ran and poor free agent money spent...that and poor drafts catching up

which is why it's baffling for me that the gm still has a job...that should be a no brainer right now...although if this team had made the playoffs as the #6 seed even at 8-8 this probably would have been all brushed under the rug...so maybe the way we finished will end up being a good thing in the end
 
hooshoops said:
it's mostly personnel..poor fits for what they want to run or ran and poor free agent money spent...that and poor drafts catching up

which is why it's baffling for me that the gm still has a job...that should be a no brainer right now...although if this team had made the playoffs as the #6 seed even at 8-8 this probably would have been all brushed under the rug...so maybe the way we finished will end up being a good thing in the end
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Well and if that's true, then that's on Ross, who decided to hire a head coach who would run systems that were so discrepant from those of his predecessor. Obviously that was going to require time to overhaul the roster.
 
the personnel issues are on the gm...they have a lot of miscast guys for this system...especially the oline...bad fits...

i would can the gm for a lot of reasons and the oc and probably the oline coach cause i dont like the technique we use and the qb coach...get tannehill someone with more experience
 
I agree with Hoops that there are some poor fits. However, at some point the HC and his staff has to make adjustments to the strengths of his players to get something out of them.
 
hooshoops said:
the personnel issues are on the gm...they have a lot of miscast guys for this system...especially the oline...bad fits...

i would can the gm for a lot of reasons and the oc and probably the oline coach cause i dont like the technique we use and the qb coach...get tannehill someone with more experience
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Right, but for several years prior to the last two, the GM was responsible for finding players who fit different systems. Is he supposed to just snap his fingers and fix that?

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Hayden Fox said:
I agree with Hoops that there are some poor fits. However, at some point the HC and his staff has to make adjustments to the strengths of his players to get something out of them.
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How do we know that wasn't done? How do we know that whatever the coaching staff did in that regard didn't make the team win more than it would have otherwise?
 
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