Come on people are you kidding me?

[Miamifin23]

You are absolutely crazy if you don't want TO next season. Lets face it, he's the by far the best reciever in the NFL. He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career. You have to figure someone is going to get him at a cheap price for his talent and the production that he can bring. He can help put us over the top, I'm not saying superbowl but he could sure help. Plus, his contract will be structured so he has to perform on the field. I truly believe that the next team he goes to, he will be fine for 3 years until he retires. The man wants to get paid before he retires, he doesn't have very long. If the price was right, I would without blinking pick this guy up.

 

[FINintheMOON]

You are absolutely crazy if you don't want TO next season. Lets face it, he's the by far the best reciever in the NFL. He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career. You have to figure someone is going to get him at a cheap price for his talent and the production that he can bring. He can help put us over the top, I'm not saying superbowl but he could sure help. Plus, his contract will be structured so he has to perform on the field. I truly believe that the next team he goes to, he will be fine for 3 years until he retires. The man wants to get paid before he retires, he doesn't have very long. If the price was right, I would without blinking pick this guy up.

T.O. can not be an upgrade to what we have right now... IF you want T.O., then we need a McNABB, GREEN, BRADY, etc if he is going to be effective...

A receiver is only as good as the QB that throws to him... in most cases:D

 

[HysterikiLL]

My doubts about T.O.

- That he may come in and absolutely turn the team upside down. This guy is capable of putting franchises temporarily out of commission. I don't want that.
- With Chambers, Booker, Boston, Welker, McMichael we're not in dire need of help at WR even if we don't retain Boston or possibly get rid of Booker for whatever reason.
- The cap hit may be too unnecessary. If we're signing him, it will likely be to a 1 or 2 year deal, in my opinion. This would likely hit the cap hard as he won't be playing for pennies.
- Several players have already displayed their unwillingness to work with T.O. If these comments are a general consensus, it would create a negative atmosphere and an uncomfortable buffer between our coaching staff and veteran leadership.

Reasons why T.O. could be a good pick-up.

- If the players are willing to accept him, he could still be one of the most dangerous threats in the NFL. This would be a major upgrade and certainly help our chances at the Super Bowl.

Pretty simple reasons, but IMO there are too many "if's" attatched to the positives and "if's" are dangerous entities, especially when developing a team how our staff are.

I'm all for what's best for the team and at the moment, the verdict is still out on that. T.O. has shown the world that he is beyond being disciplined, and Saban, being no fool, will be completely aware that drama will be a surely present truth in signing him.

 

[FINintheMOON]

My doubts about T.O.

- That he may come in and absolutely turn the team upside down. This guy is capable of putting franchises temporarily out of commission. I don't want that.
- With Chambers, Booker, Boston, Welker, McMichael we're not in dire need of help at WR even if we don't retain Boston or possibly get rid of Booker for whatever reason.
- The cap hit may be too unnecessary. If we're signing him, it will likely be to a 1 or 2 year deal, in my opinion. This would likely hit the cap hard as he won't be playing for pennies.
- Several players have already displayed their unwillingness to work with T.O. If these comments are a general consensus, it would create a negative atmosphere and an uncomfortable buffer between our coaching staff and veteran leadership.

Reasons why T.O. could be a good pick-up.

- If the players are willing to accept him, he could still be one of the most dangerous threats in the NFL. This would be a major upgrade and certainly help our chances at the Super Bowl.

Pretty simple reasons, but IMO there are too many "if's" attatched to the positives and "if's" are dangerous entities, especially when developing a team how our staff are.

I'm all for what's best for the team and at the moment, the verdict is still out on that. T.O. has shown the world that he is beyond being disciplined, and Saban, being no fool, will be completely aware that drama will be a surely present truth in signing him.

Very well stated bubba!!!:D

 

[unifiedtheory]

STOP!:fire:

 

[DaFish]

You are absolutely crazy if you don't want TO next season. Lets face it, he's the by far the best reciever in the NFL. He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career. You have to figure someone is going to get him at a cheap price for his talent and the production that he can bring. He can help put us over the top, I'm not saying superbowl but he could sure help. Plus, his contract will be structured so he has to perform on the field. I truly believe that the next team he goes to, he will be fine for 3 years until he retires. The man wants to get paid before he retires, he doesn't have very long. If the price was right, I would without blinking pick this guy up.

Still say no to TO!!!

 

[Bigbucks24]

You are absolutely crazy if you don't want TO next season. Lets face it, he's the by far the best reciever in the NFL. He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career. You have to figure someone is going to get him at a cheap price for his talent and the production that he can bring. He can help put us over the top, I'm not saying superbowl but he could sure help. Plus, his contract will be structured so he has to perform on the field. I truly believe that the next team he goes to, he will be fine for 3 years until he retires. The man wants to get paid before he retires, he doesn't have very long. If the price was right, I would without blinking pick this guy up.

Here's what I don't understand. How do you know TO will behave this time? How do you know what he thinks? How do you know how he thinks? He doesn't think like you and I--that is obvious. Neither one of us would have gotten run out of Philly after we caused a big stink in SF. We both would have known that actinkg like he did in Philly would have cost us a ton of money. What has he said that makes you think he is going to behave? Not what is logical. What has he said? Has he apoligized? Has he admitted his mistakes? Has he said he would behave? I haven't seen it. He might have, but I haven't seen anything like that.

Secondly, what makes you believe that he will accept a low contract with lots of incentives and behavior clauses? What have he or Drew said or done that makes you believe that? Castilla from SD said he was wrong for taking steroids and he would give back his bonus if he ever tested positive. That would lead you to believe that he is going to stay clean. Has TO or Drew ever said that they will accept a low contract so that he can build his reputation? Have they ever said anything about accepting anything except top dollar? Again, he might have, I just haven't read it.

Give us a sign, TO. Give us a reason to believe that you will change. Give us a sliver of hope that it won't be all about you and that you won't tear our team apart. We want to believe in you. Right now, I just can't.

 

[sports24/7]

You are absolutely crazy if you don't want TO next season. Lets face it, he's the by far the best reciever in the NFL. He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career. You have to figure someone is going to get him at a cheap price for his talent and the production that he can bring. He can help put us over the top, I'm not saying superbowl but he could sure help. Plus, his contract will be structured so he has to perform on the field. I truly believe that the next team he goes to, he will be fine for 3 years until he retires. The man wants to get paid before he retires, he doesn't have very long. If the price was right, I would without blinking pick this guy up.

When only looking at the upside you would think we would be crazy not to take him, but looking only at the downside you would think we would be crazy to even consider him. He is possibly the best WR in football, but what he has done to two locker rooms now can't be forgotten. A Super Bowl caliber team was reduced to a sub-.500 team in large part to his doing. I'm not saying I don't want him. The truth is I don't know whether I do or not. I do think he will keep his mouth shut next season because he pretty much has to, but either way I trust Saban to make the right decision.

 

[perezferia]

Here's what I don't understand. How do you know TO will behave this time? How do you know what he thinks? How do you know how he thinks? He doesn't think like you and I--that is obvious. Neither one of us would have gotten run out of Philly after we caused a big stink in SF. We both would have known that actinkg like he did in Philly would have cost us a ton of money. What has he said that makes you think he is going to behave? Not what is logical. What has he said? Has he apoligized? Has he admitted his mistakes? Has he said he would behave? I haven't seen it. He might have, but I haven't seen anything like that.

Secondly, what makes you believe that he will accept a low contract with lots of incentives and behavior clauses? What have he or Drew said or done that makes you believe that? Castilla from SD said he was wrong for taking steroids and he would give back his bonus if he ever tested positive. That would lead you to believe that he is going to stay clean. Has TO or Drew ever said that they will accept a low contract so that he can build his reputation? Have they ever said anything about accepting anything except top dollar? Again, he might have, I just haven't read it.

Give us a sign, TO. Give us a reason to believe that you will change. Give us a sliver of hope that it won't be all about you and that you won't tear our team apart. We want to believe in you. Right now, I just can't.

I agree with everything you said (excellent post) and would add a few more FOOTBALL observations:

T.O. is a remarkabl talent in a WEST COAST SYSTEM. Those short routes really complemement his strengths, which is height, speed and strength.

However, we run a different kind of offense here, with different terminology and philosophies in place. Our routes (for WR's) are much longer, our terminology is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

T.O. is no 23 year old willing to learn a new system and be yelled at by coaches when he can't remember what a particular play call's route is. He is a ****y and talented guy who exists in his own "REALITY DISTORTION FIELD" where nothing that he does is wrong so long as HE feels justified.

His best bet is ATLANTA or GREEN BAY where the West Coast Offense terminology and philosophies are alive and well. We'd be getting a veteran reciever who would be an old dog learning new tricks and let's face it, this isn't a nice, backyard dog. He's a rabies infected Junkyard dog. He's not interested in new tricks! He just wants to bite your arm off.

I see T.O. that way. By the time he got acclimated to our offense FOOTBALL WISE, he will have destroyed our precious chemistry TEAM WISE with his 9 year old mentality.

This is that rare occasion in sport where a team would be BETTER off NOT acquiring a superstar player.

Just one guy's opinion.

 

[NYFCat]

I agree with everything you said (excellent post) and would add a few more FOOTBALL observations:

T.O. is a remarkabl talent in a WEST COAST SYSTEM. Those short routes really complemement his strengths, which is height, speed and strength.

However, we run a different kind of offense here, with different terminology and philosophies in place. Our routes (for WR's) are much longer, our terminology is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

T.O. is no 23 year old willing to learn a new system and be yelled at by coaches when he can't remember what a particular play call's route is. He is a ****y and talented guy who exists in his own "REALITY DISTORTION FIELD" where nothing that he does is wrong so long as HE feels justified.

His best bet is ATLANTA or GREEN BAY where the West Coast Offense terminology and philosophies are alive and well. We'd be getting a veteran reciever who would be an old dog learning new tricks and let's face it, this isn't a nice, backyard dog. He's a rabies infected Junkyard dog. He's not interested in new tricks! He just wants to bite your arm off.

I see T.O. that way. By the time he got acclimated to our offense FOOTBALL WISE, he will have destroyed our precious chemistry TEAM WISE with his 9 year old mentality.

This is that rare occasion in sport where a team would be BETTER off NOT acquiring a superstar player.

Just one guy's opinion.

I agree with your stance that TO shouldn't be a consideration, but this has nothing to do with a WCO.

When he's on the field, TO is a full head above every receiver in this league. In terms of hands, speed, toughness, and blocking, he's unparelleled. Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt do not offer the package TO can. When he laces 'em up, it's over. If we were to project TO's 21-game stats as an Eagle over 16 games, we'd have 94 catches, 1496 yards, 15 TD's.

Still, I don't want him, and I'm glad the majority in this thread have the same feelings.

Talent, in ANY scheme, isn't the issue here. In signing TO, we're demanding that Chris Chambers accept a #2 role after ascending from inconsistent starter to the AFC's dominant WR over the second half of 2005, asking Randy McMichael to keep his mouth shut when TO divides the locker room (AND HE WILL), waving buh-bye to Marty Booker (whom I still believe is a 1000-yard guy with the right QB), and asking Wes Welker to focus strictly on returning kicks.

No thanks.

 

[igor79]

yeah he worked out so well in philly...

 

[Lazy1]

I agree with everything you said (excellent post) and would add a few more FOOTBALL observations:

T.O. is a remarkabl talent in a WEST COAST SYSTEM. Those short routes really complemement his strengths, which is height, speed and strength.

However, we run a different kind of offense here, with different terminology and philosophies in place. Our routes (for WR's) are much longer, our terminology is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

T.O. is no 23 year old willing to learn a new system and be yelled at by coaches when he can't remember what a particular play call's route is. He is a ****y and talented guy who exists in his own "REALITY DISTORTION FIELD" where nothing that he does is wrong so long as HE feels justified.

His best bet is ATLANTA or GREEN BAY where the West Coast Offense terminology and philosophies are alive and well. We'd be getting a veteran reciever who would be an old dog learning new tricks and let's face it, this isn't a nice, backyard dog. He's a rabies infected Junkyard dog. He's not interested in new tricks! He just wants to bite your arm off.

I see T.O. that way. By the time he got acclimated to our offense FOOTBALL WISE, he will have destroyed our precious chemistry TEAM WISE with his 9 year old mentality.

This is that rare occasion in sport where a team would be BETTER off NOT acquiring a superstar player.

Just one guy's opinion.

I think our system is really build around our players talents. I dont think playcalling and routes will be an issue for TO to be successful here. Saban and mullarky are smart enough to realize that to's strength is his yards after catch and they need to get him the ball quick so he can do damage on the run. We have those quick plays implemented in our offense already(wes welker converted like 10 first downs on quick slants). The issue to me isn't whether or not he will be successful on the field, its will he behave and not be a jerk.

 

[dolfanrodney]

Best WR in the NFL clearly????? Are you kidding me???? I would rather take Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, or Reggie Wayne over TO any day of the week.

 

[poornate]

.....but he will be a jerk...

 

[FinFaninMS]

He's messed up twice and he knows deep down inside that if he does it again, no team will take another chance on him and it'll be the end of his career.

Who are you? His conscience? You have no idea how TO will behave, and niether does anyone else. As if his behavior has been rational to this point anyway.

BTW, if he comes here and instead of going to the Super Bowl, the team regresses, can we ship you out with him?