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Commentary: Team Analysis

Sounds pretty accurate on all acounts to me, although he didn't address all the needs or strengths/weaknesses of the team....

Chambers does need to step up, he has 10 games left to do it. If he can't then we should look for a solid number one to team him up with. Great receivers make there QB look better then they are...

OT HAS GOT TO BE A PRIORITY, Vernon should keep one side and a real LT to go with him... CENTER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THOUGH.

Unlike most I think we should find a solid veteran FA next year or a trade for one. Draft one for the future unless there is a "Big Ben" available. a Daunte or Philip Rivers or David Carr or Joey Harrington would be better than what we have. A change of scenery sometimes drastically improves the QB play also...

RONNE IS A MONSTER AND I HOPE LINEHAN FIGURES THAT OUT AND STARTS TO FEATURE HIM MORE!!!:mad:
 
Good read. My question/opinion would be, why not pick up two offensive lineman with our first two picks? Offensive lineman usually provide an impact their first year. Hang on to sage and the lemon, and maybe pick up a free agent qb. I would be willing to wait one year for a qb, and start rebuilding the o-line. Besides aren't a majority of the qb's staying in college for another year? Anyway, this makes sense also because when we do draft a qb the following year, the o-line will have a year under its belt. Opinions??
 
Good read.

The only comment I have other than that is that if the Texans decide David Carr isn't going to drive them anymore then yes, there is one more player for a QB before us in the draft but, on the flipside there is David Carr available. :)

Why did the font turn bold about halfway through?
 
Good read here....with the amount of needs that we have as a team, I have a feeling that Saban will trade out if we are chooseing say 1-5 for a boat load of picks. I know I have said it before, don't want to ba a broken record....comments on this.
 
I agree with the comments about Chambers however he still does not have the benefit of playing with a good QB. Look at all the great receivers in the game.....do any of them not have a good, if not great QB? Chambers is doing the most with what he has. If you look at his career, he is doing about the same as he has always done. And he has never had a consistently good QB to throw him the ball. I thought that Linehan would give him more opportunities and maybe he will as the year progresses if Gus becomes more comfortable with him, but you cannot expect a franchise dominant receiver with a less than mediocre QB. You will get what you see from Chambers....the occasional great catch and game changing play but not consistent success. A great QB can make a less talented receiver look good, i.e. Brady and Branch. But a great WR cannot make a QB look good!

Let's look at the best WRs and their QBs:

MOSS - Collins: Not the best, but good
OWENS - McNabb: One of the games best QBs
HARRISON - Manning: Nothing more to say
WALKER - Favre: See above
C. JOHNSON - Palmer: A great young star in this league
SMITH - Delhomme: Nothing great, like Collins, but good and steady

A great example of this is Muhsin Muhammad. He played with a good QB and put up great numbers last year; this year he goes to Chicago with less than stellar QB play and he is doing less than Chambers is!

Chambers' play is not a product of his own failures, it is because of the QB!!
If you put a Pro Bowl QB on this team, Chambers' numbers would rival Moss and Owens!
 
how many most first day lineman do we need? i dont know why people seem to think we can draft any guy and hes going to be a superstar right away...

vernon carey is getting his first significant playing time, yet you expect him to already be a probowler? seth mckinney is only in his second year of full time starting duty and hes improving greatly, yet he still gets chewed out by everyone on this board i guess out of habit, people think he sucked last year, hes gotta suck this year... jeno james has played well this year, rex hadnot has struggled but again hes only in his first season of full time starting duties, give the kid some time... even mcintosh is only in his like 5th season in the league... we dont have an offensive lineman on the roster older than 28... they are inexperienced and have to learn to play as a group...

this line will steady improve, but its not something that happens overnight... using more and more first day picks on olineman and mixing them up each year isn't going to correct our problem... granted landing someone like d'brick would be great, but we wont be picking high enough to land someone of his talents, and wasting picks over and over again on lineman because we expect them to be superstars off the bat is dumb... we have already used picks on young lineman, how bout we give them time ot develop?

im sick of everyone complaining about the line, its playing 932874 times better than last year and will get better...
 
arsenal said:
how many most first day lineman do we need? i dont know why people seem to think we can draft any guy and hes going to be a superstar right away...

vernon carey is getting his first significant playing time, yet you expect him to already be a probowler? seth mckinney is only in his second year of full time starting duty and hes improving greatly, yet he still gets chewed out by everyone on this board i guess out of habit, people think he sucked last year, hes gotta suck this year... jeno james has played well this year, rex hadnot has struggled but again hes only in his first season of full time starting duties, give the kid some time... even mcintosh is only in his like 5th season in the league... we dont have an offensive lineman on the roster older than 28... they are inexperienced and have to learn to play as a group...

this line will steady improve, but its not something that happens overnight... using more and more first day picks on olineman and mixing them up each year isn't going to correct our problem... granted landing someone like d'brick would be great, but we wont be picking high enough to land someone of his talents, and wasting picks over and over again on lineman because we expect them to be superstars off the bat is dumb... we have already used picks on young lineman, how bout we give them time ot develop?

im sick of everyone complaining about the line, its playing 932874 times better than last year...
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I agree with all that.

....and will get better
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Not sure one way or the other about this part. I see what's happening to them now as more of a problem of being physically over matched....either not quick enough, not strong enough or not coordinated enough. Maybe they have reached their potential, certainly James, McKintosh, McDougall and possibly Mckinney(The McLine??) have been around long enough for that lightbulb's flash to be considered overdue. Only Carey, Hadnot, and maaayyybe Alabi are o-linemen with any potential upside yet to be tapped.
 
inFINSible said:
Not sure one way or the other about this part. I see what's happening to them now as more of a problem of being physically over matched....either not quick enough, not strong enough or not coordinated enough. Maybe they have reached their potential, certainly James, McKintosh, McDougall and possibly Mckinney(The McLine??) have been around long enough for that lightbulb's flash to be considered overdue. Only Carey, Hadnot, and maaayyybe Alabi are o-linemen with any potential upside yet to be tapped.
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larry allen, possibly the strongest man in the NFL can sometimes look like hes being physically overmatched (key word SOMETIMES, not very often)... my point is that by the time you hit this level and make it here, playing olineman is (as i pull a number out of my ***) 75% technique... you telling me vernon carey is getting physically overmatched by a 265 lb defensive end? naa its leverage, its technique, and those are things you learn... and you learn how to stop different defensive moves and different blitzes and different stunts with experience...

not ot mention learning the tendencies of the guy next to you, if your a tackle knowing when/if your guard might help, how he'll help, how he pulls, everything... i think oline is the one spot where you need the most time as a unit to gel... im willing to give our guys time, espedcially since ive seen improvement since even last year... and i expect more
 
arsenal said:
larry allen, possibly the strongest man in the NFL can sometimes look like hes being physically overmatched (key word SOMETIMES, not very often)... my point is that by the time you hit this level and make it here, playing olineman is (as i pull a number out of my ***) 75% technique... you telling me vernon carey is getting physically overmatched by a 265 lb defensive end? naa its leverage, its technique, and those are things you learn... and you learn how to stop different defensive moves and different blitzes and different stunts with experience...

not ot mention learning the tendencies of the guy next to you, if your a tackle knowing when/if your guard might help, how he'll help, how he pulls, everything... i think oline is the one spot where you need the most time as a unit to gel... im willing to give our guys time, espedcially since ive seen improvement since even last year... and i expect more
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Yes, I agree.....
There's too much complaining here about our o-line.
Yes, I know they could/should be better, but they are young, and improving, so far.
With Houck's continued guidance, I believe they'll continue to improve.

I think we're seeing the foundations of a solid o-line for years to come.
 
arsenal said:
larry allen, possibly the strongest man in the NFL can sometimes look like hes being physically overmatched (key word SOMETIMES, not very often)... my point is that by the time you hit this level and make it here, playing olineman is (as i pull a number out of my ***) 75% technique... you telling me vernon carey is getting physically overmatched by a 265 lb defensive end? naa its leverage, its technique, and those are things you learn... and you learn how to stop different defensive moves and different blitzes and different stunts with experience...

not ot mention learning the tendencies of the guy next to you, if your a tackle knowing when/if your guard might help, how he'll help, how he pulls, everything... i think oline is the one spot where you need the most time as a unit to gel... im willing to give our guys time, espedcially since ive seen improvement since even last year... and i expect more
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you're thinking that physically over matched is a pure strength thing, what i'm saying is that they may not have the ability to get into position to use the proper techniques. They may not be faster than the man across from them at getting to their spots and they may not be able to slide step fast enough to stay with the DE they're playing against. Yes even at the pro level it can still happen, just like any other level, when you find out that no matter how strong you are that you still can't compete because you have less coordination or mobility or speed than the guy across from you, that's what physically over matched means.
 
How many top 10 draft picks are starting on KC's O-line? Ferguson is not as big a need as a legitimate starting QB.
 
cnyphinfan said:
I agree with the comments about Chambers however he still does not have the benefit of playing with a good QB. Look at all the great receivers in the game.....do any of them not have a good, if not great QB? Chambers is doing the most with what he has. If you look at his career, he is doing about the same as he has always done. And he has never had a consistently good QB to throw him the ball. I thought that Linehan would give him more opportunities and maybe he will as the year progresses if Gus becomes more comfortable with him, but you cannot expect a franchise dominant receiver with a less than mediocre QB. You will get what you see from Chambers....the occasional great catch and game changing play but not consistent success. A great QB can make a less talented receiver look good, i.e. Brady and Branch. But a great WR cannot make a QB look good!

Let's look at the best WRs and their QBs:

MOSS - Collins: Not the best, but good
OWENS - McNabb: One of the games best QBs
HARRISON - Manning: Nothing more to say
WALKER - Favre: See above
C. JOHNSON - Palmer: A great young star in this league
SMITH - Delhomme: Nothing great, like Collins, but good and steady

A great example of this is Muhsin Muhammad. He played with a good QB and put up great numbers last year; this year he goes to Chicago with less than stellar QB play and he is doing less than Chambers is!

Chambers' play is not a product of his own failures, it is because of the QB!!
If you put a Pro Bowl QB on this team, Chambers' numbers would rival Moss and Owens!
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I agree. I won't judge Chambers until I see a QB hit the guy in stride once in awhile. I do think he is not all that great at fighting for a ball.
 
arsenal said:
how many most first day lineman do we need? i dont know why people seem to think we can draft any guy and hes going to be a superstar right away...

vernon carey is getting his first significant playing time, yet you expect him to already be a probowler? seth mckinney is only in his second year of full time starting duty and hes improving greatly, yet he still gets chewed out by everyone on this board i guess out of habit, people think he sucked last year, hes gotta suck this year... jeno james has played well this year, rex hadnot has struggled but again hes only in his first season of full time starting duties, give the kid some time... even mcintosh is only in his like 5th season in the league... we dont have an offensive lineman on the roster older than 28... they are inexperienced and have to learn to play as a group...

this line will steady improve, but its not something that happens overnight... using more and more first day picks on olineman and mixing them up each year isn't going to correct our problem... granted landing someone like d'brick would be great, but we wont be picking high enough to land someone of his talents, and wasting picks over and over again on lineman because we expect them to be superstars off the bat is dumb... we have already used picks on young lineman, how bout we give them time ot develop?

im sick of everyone complaining about the line, its playing 932874 times better than last year and will get better...
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I dont expect everyone to agree, and thats cool, I value everyone's opinion. In my mind though, we have been plugging in mid to late round draft picks & free agent cast offs for the offensive line and NOTHING else since Jimmy J took over. The last time we took a couple of legitament lineman in rounds 1 & 2 (Webb & Sims) we solidified that side for many years. I'm not saying we always have to draft a lineman with a top pick, but damn, its been 16 years since the last time we tried (and yes, I remember Carey and I am still not happy with that pick ... it was a reach and a panic move by Speilman IMO). No I never expected him to be a probowler from day one ... ever for that matter, I think he will be nothing more than a servicable Right Tackle.

Dont get me wrong, I am all for taking a Matt Leinhart over Ferguson if he is there, but I really think its a moot point that we will have a shot at him. The guy will probably go #1 overall ... and if not to the Texans, then to the team that trades up with them. With Matt off the board, I feel like there is no other QB worthy of a top 10 pick so I would go with either Ferguson or CB Jimmy Williams who both fill big needs. As for trading down, it is too early to start throwing those scenarios around. :goof:
 
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