Comp Picks

[SF Dolphin Fan]

First time posting, long-time fan (since 1970). Glad to find such a great site to chat with other Dolphin and football fans.

Now to something that's bothered me for some time. I have a problem with how the NFL awards comp picks. First, the whole system of awarding picks isn't easy to understand, even impossible. The most knowlegeable NFL people can't explain it and coaches/GM's are often left scratching their heads when the NFL awards picks. Secondly, the salary cap is the "great equalizer" so why are comp picks necessary? Finally, comp picks aren't helping the teams that need the most help. Looking over the picks the past few years, it's teams like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and New England that are receiving the most picks. Why should the NFL be helping the worst dynasty in the history of sports?

I think the NFL should either eliminate comp picks altogether, or restructure them toward team performance rather than individual performance (loss of players through free agency). Say a team is below .500 for two straight years, maybe they get a 5th round comp pick. Three years below .500 that team receives a 3rd round comp pick - something like that. At least that would be a system that we all understand and wouldn't make us question whether the NFL is awarding picks fairly.

 

[Boik14]

Comp picks are very easy to understand. No way you can be a Gm and not understand the system for this; that concept isnt even conceivable. The system isnt designed for the worst teams; its designed to compensate for lost players so your misinterpreting what its use is. I'll go over some of the main points for you:

- awarded to teams that suffered a net loss of certain quality unrestricted free agents last year.
- Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
- This marks the third straight year that the Buccaneers have been awarded exactly one compensatory pick, which are doled out on the basis of free agency gains and losses the previous offseason. The league has been awarding compensatory draft choices since 1993, the first year of the new collective bargaining agreement. The system is designed to recompense teams that suffered a net loss in players in the previous year’s free agency period.

The system isn’t based solely on the sheer number of players signed and lost by a specific team, however. Rather, a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors is used to assess the net gain or loss in player value, and not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula. The formula as it applied to the Buccaneers’ 2004 free agency included seven players lost (Thomas Jones, Shaun King, Warren Sapp, Aaron Stecker, Tom Tupa, Nate Webster and Todd Yoder) and six signed (Keith Burns, Mario Edwards, Charlie Garner, Ian Gold, Jeff Gooch and Matt Stinchcomb)
- The extra picks begin at the end of Round Three and run til the end of RD Seven
- Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in a year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.


Here's the actual chart for this season:
BALTIMORE Lost: Marcus Robinson

CAROLINA Lost: Greg Favors, Deon Grant, Reggie Howard, Jeno James
Signed: Brandon Short

DALLAS Lost: Mario Edwards, Ebenezer Ekuban

DENVER Lost: Bert Berry, Keith Burns, Ian Gold
Signed: Marco Coleman

INDIANAPOLIS Lost: David Macklin, Marcus Washington

KANSAS CITY Lost: Jonathan Quinn, John Tait
Signed: Chris Bober

NEW ENGLAND Lost: Mike Compton, Bobby Hamilton, Ted Washington, Damien Woody
Signed: Keith Traylor

OAKLAND Lost: Eric Barton, Lorenzo Bromell, Roderick Coleman, Charlie Garner, Rick Mirer, Matt Stinchcomb
Signed: Danny Clark, Bobby Hamilton, Warren Sapp, Ted Washington

PHILADELPHIA Lost: Marco Coleman, Carlos Emmons, Duce Staley, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Bobbie Williams
Signed: Dhani Jones, Jevon Kearse

ST. LOUIS Lost: David Loverne, John St. Clair, Grant Wistrom, Brian Young

SEATTLE Lost: Randall Godfrey, Shawn Springs, Reggie Tongue, Willie Williams
Signed: Bobby Taylor, Grant Wistrom

SAN FRANCISCO Lost: Travis Kirschke, Tai Streets, Jason Webster

TAMPA BAY Lost: Thomas Jones, Shaun King, Warren Sapp, Aaron Stecker, Tom Tupa, Nate Webster, Todd Yoder
Signed: Keith Burns, Mario Edwards, Charlie Garner, Ian Gold, Jeff Gooch, Matt Stinchcomb

TENNESSEE Lost: Jevon Kearse, Robaire Smith


TOTAL 2005 NFL COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS Philadelphia -- 4
St. Louis -- 4
Carolina -- 3
New England -- 3
San Francisco -- 3
Dallas -- 2
Denver -- 2
Indianapolis -- 2
Oakland -- 2
Seattle -- 2
Tennessee -- 2
Baltimore -- 1
Kansas City -- 1
Tampa Bay -- 1
TOTAL -- 32

So you can see a team like the Rams that lost 4 players and didnt really sign or draft anyone to replace them can be awarded the picks

Links used:
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=409208

http://www.buccaneers.com/draft/draftmain.aspx?newsid=4413&full=true

http://steelers.scout.com/2/361988.html

Hope that covers most of it for you and welcome aboard

 

[Buddwalk]

And some how we get screwed and get none...thats bs

we should get some for morlon greenwood or for sammy knight

 

[Boik14]

And some how we get screwed and get none...thats bs

we should get some for morlon greenwood or for sammy knight

If we get rewarded for those guys it would be next year when the picks are announced. My guess is we wont get 1 for knight (7th rd at best due to quality of player and contract size) but we could see a 3rd or 4th for Morlon since we gave a much smaller contract for Spragan.

 

[General Grimmac]

If we get rewarded for those guys it would be next year when the picks are announced. My guess is we wont get 1 for knight (7th rd at best due to quality of player and contract size) but we could see a 3rd or 4th for Morlon since we gave a much smaller contract for Spragan.

chances are you won't get any... look at how many you lost to FA and have gained... you've gained more than you've lost (due to free agency anyway)

 

[VanDolPhan]

If we get rewarded for those guys it would be next year when the picks are announced. My guess is we wont get 1 for knight (7th rd at best due to quality of player and contract size) but we could see a 3rd or 4th for Morlon since we gave a much smaller contract for Spragan.

We won't get any as our signings outweigh our losses.

 

[Boik14]

chances are you won't get any... look at how many you lost to FA and have gained... you've gained more than you've lost (due to free agency anyway)

Im aware. But I said if anything we're more likely to be compensated for Morlon since we signed a lower quality player to a smaller contract and who will probably not be a full time starter.

 

[first&goal]

Welcome aboard SF Dolphin Fan!

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Some good point there, but I have seen that and more before. Bottomline, whenever coaches or GM's are interviewed on comp picks they are always guessing on what there team might receive. Plus, why do they even need comp picks? I don't believe they are helping the teams that need the most help.

 

[Lazy1]

Some good point there, but I have seen that and more before. Bottomline, whenever coaches or GM's are interviewed on comp picks they are always guessing on what there team might receive. Plus, why do they even need comp picks? I don't believe they are helping the teams that need the most help.

In many cases. They help the teams that need it the most because they misused the salary cap. Back a few years ago when SF was in cap hell and had to let go of alot of there playes, they got a few comp picks, Tennessee will get a bunch of comp picks next year. Teams that have to basically dismantle there team due to salary cap restraints are helped out big time by the comp picks.

 

[Boik14]

Some good point there, but I have seen that and more before. Bottomline, whenever coaches or GM's are interviewed on comp picks they are always guessing on what there team might receive. Plus, why do they even need comp picks? I don't believe they are helping the teams that need the most help.

Well no coach is going to come right and say we deserve x # of picks and hes not going to say we deserve none. The reason they exist is stated above; to compensate teams that lost more Fa's then they signed.

 

[burger13]

Comp picks are very easy to understand. No way you can be a Gm and not understand the system for this; that concept isnt even conceivable. The system isnt designed for the worst teams; its designed to compensate for lost players so your misinterpreting what its use is. I'll go over some of the main points for you:

You say it's very easy to understand ........yet all you do is quote stuff that is out there.....you don't explain in your own words......which is the key to showing comprehension.

The basic principle is simple....teams are compensated when the lose more than they gain in Free Agency....however, the exact formula used is extremely complicated. There only seems to be one guy out there that can project the allocation of compensatory picks each year, and even his projections are never 100% correct. If it were that simple I'm sure that people would figure it out accurately in advance of the league announcing it.

 

[Boik14]

You say it's very easy to understand ........yet all you do is quote stuff that is out there.....you don't explain in your own words......which is the key to showing comprehension.

The basic principle is simple....teams are compensated when the lose more than they gain in Free Agency....however, the exact formula used is extremely complicated. There only seems to be one guy out there that can project the allocation of compensatory picks each year, and even his projections are never 100% correct. If it were that simple I'm sure that people would figure it out accurately in advance of the league announcing it.

Why use my own words? I dont need to prove that I know how the system works. Im trying to explain it in terms that someone else can understand. Taking someone elses works and twisting them to make them your own does not prove comprehension; just merely that you know how to rephrase sentences. Try blasting someone who isnt laying out facts to help someone else clown

 

[Agua]

Comp picks are very easy to understand. No way you can be a Gm and not understand the system for this; that concept isnt even conceivable. The system isnt designed for the worst teams; its designed to compensate for lost players so your misinterpreting what its use is. I'll go over some of the main points for you:

- awarded to teams that suffered a net loss of certain quality unrestricted free agents last year.
- Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
- This marks the third straight year that the Buccaneers have been awarded exactly one compensatory pick, which are doled out on the basis of free agency gains and losses the previous offseason. The league has been awarding compensatory draft choices since 1993, the first year of the new collective bargaining agreement. The system is designed to recompense teams that suffered a net loss in players in the previous year’s free agency period.

The system isn’t based solely on the sheer number of players signed and lost by a specific team, however. Rather, a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors is used to assess the net gain or loss in player value, and not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula. The formula as it applied to the Buccaneers’ 2004 free agency included seven players lost (Thomas Jones, Shaun King, Warren Sapp, Aaron Stecker, Tom Tupa, Nate Webster and Todd Yoder) and six signed (Keith Burns, Mario Edwards, Charlie Garner, Ian Gold, Jeff Gooch and Matt Stinchcomb)
- The extra picks begin at the end of Round Three and run til the end of RD Seven
- Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in a year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.


Here's the actual chart for this season:
BALTIMORE Lost: Marcus Robinson

CAROLINA Lost: Greg Favors, Deon Grant, Reggie Howard, Jeno James
Signed: Brandon Short

DALLAS Lost: Mario Edwards, Ebenezer Ekuban

DENVER Lost: Bert Berry, Keith Burns, Ian Gold
Signed: Marco Coleman

INDIANAPOLIS Lost: David Macklin, Marcus Washington

KANSAS CITY Lost: Jonathan Quinn, John Tait
Signed: Chris Bober

NEW ENGLAND Lost: Mike Compton, Bobby Hamilton, Ted Washington, Damien Woody
Signed: Keith Traylor

OAKLAND Lost: Eric Barton, Lorenzo Bromell, Roderick Coleman, Charlie Garner, Rick Mirer, Matt Stinchcomb
Signed: Danny Clark, Bobby Hamilton, Warren Sapp, Ted Washington

PHILADELPHIA Lost: Marco Coleman, Carlos Emmons, Duce Staley, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Bobbie Williams
Signed: Dhani Jones, Jevon Kearse

ST. LOUIS Lost: David Loverne, John St. Clair, Grant Wistrom, Brian Young

SEATTLE Lost: Randall Godfrey, Shawn Springs, Reggie Tongue, Willie Williams
Signed: Bobby Taylor, Grant Wistrom

SAN FRANCISCO Lost: Travis Kirschke, Tai Streets, Jason Webster

TAMPA BAY Lost: Thomas Jones, Shaun King, Warren Sapp, Aaron Stecker, Tom Tupa, Nate Webster, Todd Yoder
Signed: Keith Burns, Mario Edwards, Charlie Garner, Ian Gold, Jeff Gooch, Matt Stinchcomb

TENNESSEE Lost: Jevon Kearse, Robaire Smith


TOTAL 2005 NFL COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS Philadelphia -- 4
St. Louis -- 4
Carolina -- 3
New England -- 3
San Francisco -- 3
Dallas -- 2
Denver -- 2
Indianapolis -- 2
Oakland -- 2
Seattle -- 2
Tennessee -- 2
Baltimore -- 1
Kansas City -- 1
Tampa Bay -- 1
TOTAL -- 32

So you can see a team like the Rams that lost 4 players and didnt really sign or draft anyone to replace them can be awarded the picks

Links used:
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=409208

http://www.buccaneers.com/draft/draftmain.aspx?newsid=4413&full=true

http://steelers.scout.com/2/361988.html

Hope that covers most of it for you and welcome aboard

Hmm.. Okay, one quesiton, what is the precise formula used to determine when a team is to receive a compensatory pick. You answer that one. I don't mean the general parameters, like you set forth above, I mean the precise formula. You're going to find that no one knows.

 

[VanDolPhan]

Why use my own words? I dont need to prove that I know how the system works. Im trying to explain it in terms that someone else can understand. Taking someone elses works and twisting them to make them your own does not prove comprehension; just merely that you know how to rephrase sentences. Try blasting someone who isnt laying out facts to help someone else clown

I look forward to seeing your 100% accurate projections then next year since no one has ever in the history of the NFL accurately projected better then that one guy and he does what...maybe 75% accurate if that.

The simple fact is NO one outside that little room knows how it works and can only give rudimentary basic ideas on how it works and even those aren't fact.