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I say again because in 2001 the Dolphins selected Chambers...one of the best kept secret's in the draft...in the next coming draft....another receiver named Jonathan Orr from Wisconsin is coming out...again like Chambers he doesn't have a top QB playing with him...in fact like Chambers when he played at Wisconsin, Orr doesn't get many throws his way...but like Chambers...he has size...awesome speed. With him across from Chambers the Dolphins would have one of the best receiving tandems in the NFL...Which receiver do you double cover....you can't double cover both of them...and what would he do for the running game....safeties couldn't cheat up towards the line....not when you have two receivers that can run sub 4.3 times. I'll post some info on Orr now so you can see what I mean;

Jonathan Orr...6016 195.

Overview</B>
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Jonathan Orr is another in a line of standout athletes with exceptional speed to perform at wide receiver for the Badgers. He has the explosive burst and ball adjustment skills of a Lee Evans and the size, athletic ability and toughness catching the ball in traffic of a Chris Chambers. The consummate team player, his production the last two years has been limited due to the team's problems at the quarterback position. However, Jonathan continued to contribute in other areas to compensate for the lack of chances he's received to show his awesome talent.

Orr was a Prep Star and Super Prep All-American receiver at Detroit powerhouse Henry Ford High School. He was rated one of the nation's top receivers according to Prep Star and was a first-team All-State choice by the Detroit News. Jonathan averaged 30.1 yards on 25 grabs for 753 yards and eleven touchdowns during his senior season. He earned All-City honors with 30 receptions for 705 yards and ten touchdowns as a junior. Jonathan excelled in track, running the 100 meters in 10.6 seconds. Jonathan also served as class president.

He redshirted as a freshman at Wisconsin in 2001, suiting up for the Michigan and Minnesota games. In 2002, Jonathan exploded on the collegiate scene for the Badgers, finishing second on the squad with 47 receptions for 842 yards (17.9 avg) and eight touchdowns, earning second-team Freshman All-American honors from The Sporting News. His 47 grabs rank ninth on the school's season-record list while his 842 yards rank fifth. Only Al Toon (9 in 1984 and Lee Evans (9 in 2001 and 13 in 2003) had more touch-down catches in a season for Wisconsin. What was even more impressive was the fact that 35 of those receptions resulted in first downs, including eight that he converted on third-down plays while sixteen of those catches came on scoring drives.

The team then shifted to a predominantly ground attack over the next two years. Jonathan was limited to seven catches for 117 yards (16.7 avg) in 2003, but six of those grabs resulted in first downs, with three of those grabs setting up touchdown drives. The team continued to use a two-tight end formation in 2004, as Jonathan was only able to gain 177 yards on thirteen catches (13.6 avg). Three of those receptions were good for touchdowns and twelve of those catches turned into first down plays, including converting seven third-down plays. Nine of his catches came on Badger scoring drives. In 39 games for the Badgers, Jonathan has 67 receptions for 1,136 yards (17.0 avg) and eleven touchdowns. His eleven scores rank eighth on the school's career-record list.
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[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] Analysis</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Jonathan is a special athlete with outstanding timed speed. He is a naturally strong player who is field fast and carries his equipment well. He is very sudden out of his cuts and can catch cornerbacks off balance, as he sets up the defender well and has the speed to run by his opponent, showing a great kick to the ball in the open field. He is a natural hands catcher who has the body control and flexibility to make proper body adjustments in attempts to catch the off-target passes. He is very aggressive up field after the catch, showing the head fakes and moves to set up the defender.

In 2002, it looked like he was well on his way to establishing school receiving records before his career would come to an end. However, the team's quarterbacking situation the last two seasons has seen the passing game greatly suffer at Wisconsin. On the field, few receivers can match Orr's reaction to the ball and body adjustment skills. He has that blazing first step to get into his routes immediately, using his hands and long arms to defeat the jam and avoid contact at the line of scrimmage. His explosion off the ball can push the defensive backs out of their backpedal. He runs precise patterns and leverages his opponents with weaves and transition in and out of his breaks.

Orr is a very capable short area target, doing a nice job of using his frame to shield the defender off the ball. He has the natural hands to make all the catches and is especially alert to come back when the quarterback is flushed out of the pocket. He has the plant and cut ability to combine with his speed to create separation. Orr also has crisp, precise footwork to gain movement and release off the line with ease.

Jonathan does an excellent job of tracking the ball in flight, showing the body control to catch the ball near the sidelines or look the ball in over his shoulders while not losing stride. He moves to frame the ball well and has the ability to catch outside the body's framework. He has good RAC ability, but because he is used mostly on curls, crossing patterns and underneath routes, he has not been given enough opportunity to display that ability the last two seasons. Because of the poor quarterback situation, he has had to work on other areas of his game. He is a decent cut blocker who makes good effort, but does not have the raw power to be effective in that area when asked to block in-line.

He is smart enough to create opportunities for himself, but unless the team can find an arm at the quarterback position, Jonathan will continue to be one of the best-kept secrets in the college game. Given a chance to touch the ball as much as he did as a senior and Orr will rank among the elite of the 2006 draft class.
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[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] Scouting Report</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Positives…Has outstanding quickness and burst to get into his pass routes…Eats up the cushion quickly and is quick to plant and cut to push the defensive backs out of their backpedal…Uses his hands and long arms to defeat the press and moves cleanly off the snap to get into his routes…Weaves to leverage and set up the defender and has very quick transition skills in and out of his breaks…Settles into the zone easily and is very aware of the boundaries and chains…Becomes available quickly on the blitz and does a nice job of tracking the ball in flight…Has the vertical speed to consistently get open and does a great job of turning the defensive bal on a route, showing that extra gear needed to run away from his opponent.

Has sure hands, doing a good job of securing the ball before turning up field…Excels at slipping and sliding into vacant spots underneath, using his frame to shield the ball from the defender…Has the acceleration to run down the overthrown pass and does an excellent job of maintaining concentration on the ball when working over the middle…Capable of tracking the ball and catching it with his natural hands, doing a nice job of hauling the ball in away from the body's framework…Shows tremendous courage going over the middle and has good production after taking on initial impact after the catch…Quick to turn in and out of his patterns, getting his head around immediately to react to the ball in flight.

Negatives…Has lacked production the last two years, but it is the result of a poor quarter-back situation on the team (218 of 302 incomplete passes the last two years were either over- or under-thrown)…Some scouts question his RAC (yards after catch) ability, but Orr has had limited chances to catch the ball and he has converted 53 of his 67 career catches into first downs…Gives good effort as a cut blocker, but lacks the strength to be more than a position/pester type when asked to block at the line of scrimmage.
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[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] 2005 Season</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] All-Big Ten Conference first-team and Super Sleeper Team preseason selection by The NFL Draft Report…Listed as the most underrated player in the country at his position by that scouting service.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] 2004 Season</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Played in every game, starting the Nevada-Las Vegas contest…Only caught 13 passes for 177 yards, but his average of 13.6 yards per catch ranked third and his three touchdown grabs tied for the team lead…Also caught a two-point conversion and recovered a fumble…12 of his 13 catches resulted in first downs, including seven that came on third-down plays…Five of his receptions came on touchdown drives and four more helped the team settle for field goals.[/size][/font]

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2004 Game by Game Breakdown
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] 2003 Season</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Played in every game, starting vs. Iowa…Only had seven receptions for 117 yards (16.7 avg) and no touchdowns, but six of those grabs resulted in first downs, including three that came on Wisconsin touchdown drives…Also recorded a solo tackle.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] 2002 Season</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Freshman All-American second-team and Freshman All-Big Ten Conference first-team pick by The Sporting News…Named the team's Rookie of the Year…Started every game, except vs. Nevada-Las Vegas (team opened with a two tight end formation) at flanker…Ranked third in the nation among the NCAA's freshmen and set a school freshman season-record with 842 yards (ranks fifth overall in school annals and second-best by a Big Ten Conference freshman) on 47 receptions (second on the team).

Tied a freshman school season-record as he hauled in eight passes for touchdowns…His string of five-straight games with at least one scoring grab rank second in school history, equaling a mark set by Al Toon in 1983…An incredible 35 of his 47 passes resulted in first downs, with eight of them coming on third-down plays…16 of his catches came on Badger scoring drives.
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[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] 2001 Season</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Redshirted as a freshman.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] Injury Report</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] No major injuries reported.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] Campus Agility Tests</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] 4.31 in the 40-yard dash…260-pound bench press…410-pound squat…275-pound power clean…38-inch vertical jump…33 7/8-inch arm length…9 5/8-inch hands…Right-handed… Wears contacts…22/27 Wonderlic score.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] High School</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Attended Henry Ford (Detroit, Mich.) High School, playing football for coach Mike Marshall…Prep Star and Super Prep All-American selection…Rated one of the nation’s top receivers according to Prep Star and was a first-team All-State choice by the Detroit News…Averaged 30.1 yards on 25 grabs for 753 yards and eleven touchdowns during his senior season…Also earned All-City honors with 30 receptions for 705 yards and ten touchdowns as a junior…Excelled in track, running the 100 meters in 10.6 seconds…Also served as class president.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-1] Personal</B>[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=-2] Family Consumer Education major…Son of Linda and Larry Orr…Father is a college professor and his mother is an executive investment banker…Born 3/20/83…Resides in Detroit, Michigan.[/size][/font]
 
fishypete said:
I say again because in 2001 the Dolphins selected Chambers...one of the best kept secret's in the draft...in the next coming draft....another receiver named Jonathan Orr from Wisconsin is coming out...again like Chambers he doesn't have a top QB playing with him...in fact like Chambers when he played at Wisconsin, Orr doesn't get many throws his way...but like Chambers...he has size...awesome speed. With him across from Chambers the Dolphins would have one of the best receiving tandems in the NFL...Which receiver do you double cover....you can't double cover both of them...and what would he do for the running game....safeties couldn't cheat up towards the line....not when you have two receivers that can run sub 4.3 times. I'll post some info on Orr now so you can see what I mean;

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chambers doesnt really have size...i dont know much about this guy but i would like to see us draft a WR we have little depth and we could use another WR id like to see us try for haas in the 3rd if possible .
 
I think they very well could select a WR again.
We've had a consistent problem with inconsistent WR play.
If a prospective talent with above avg. potential drops to us somewhere in the draft I don't see why they would'nt.

The only position that is set on this team at this point is RB and that's it IMO. You can make an argument for drafting a player at any other position including WR.
 
A second day WR might be a good option. Boston probably wont be back, and I think Welker was a better returner when he was just a PR and KR guy. Gilmore could be solid, but we do need some depth...like a 3rd or 4th WR
 
RAS25 said:
chambers doesnt really have size...i dont know much about this guy but i would like to see us draft a WR we have little depth and we could use another WR id like to see us try for haas in the 3rd if possible .

Chambers doesn't need anymore height....he has an awesome leap...45 inch's. He's 210 lbs.
 
Not sure where Jonathan Orr will be in the draft(round wise), but I could definitely see us drafting a WR this April. We are actually have a very thin WR corps besides Chambers and Booker. I would like to see us add a young WR either in round two or three to start to groom. I wouldn't even be that surprised to see us take a WR in round one if he is the BPA.

Of course, I only see this happening if we don't add a FA WR.

Reggie Wayne. :pray:
 
Trekbiz said:
I think they very well could select a WR again.
We've had a consistent problem with inconsistent WR play.
If a prospective talent with above avg. potential drops to us somewhere in the draft I don't see why they would'nt.

The only position that is set on this team at this point is RB and that's it IMO. You can make an argument for drafting a player at any other position including WR.

Seems it would be a logical choice to add another talented receiver....can't think of another position player that would advance the offense in several ways right from the start. If Chambers became injured...the offense would be dead.
 
fishypete said:
Chambers doesn't need anymore height....he has an awesome leap...45 inch's. He's 210 lbs.

well if you said chambers had a insane vertical id agree but 5-10 isnt exactly good size...and why doesnt he need it if he were taller hed be even better
 
Nublar7 said:
Not sure where Jonathan Orr will be in the draft(round wise), but I could definitely see us drafting a WR this April. We are actually have a very thin WR corps besides Chambers and Booker. I would like to see us add a young WR either in round two or three to start to groom. I wouldn't even be that surprised to see us take a WR in round one if he is the BPA.

Of course, I only see this happening if we don't add a FA WR.

Reggie Wayne. :pray:

From what I hear...Reggie isn't leaving Indy...the Colts are already working out the cap to re-sign him.
 
RAS25 said:
well if you said chambers had a insane vertical id agree but 5-10 isnt exactly good size...and why doesnt he need it if he were taller hed be even better

45 inches....is 3 inches short of 4 feet....add that to almost 6 ft of normal height....he can rebound.
 
fishypete said:
From what I hear...Reggie isn't leaving Indy...the Colts are already working out the cap to re-sign him.

Geez, what kind of Cap voodoo are they doing up there in Indy. They've got an awful stacked roster to still be able to keep all their offensive talent. Dosen't seem like they've had a major roster loss in a number of years.
Have I missed one?
 
Historically, recievers are the single riskiest first round pick. I think we need to do everything we can to minimize risk with our first. And I think Saban thinks the same - i.e. Ronnie Brown... a great pick.

Nick is very, very good it seems at finding later round talent... but for this team, the first has to land.

No WR, TE or CB in the first this year, please. My vote goes for QB, LB, DT, LT or S this year.

Of course, after the first if a reciever is the BPA, by all means.
 
I think we should draft a receiver too, but not as one of our first three picks... which I think should go towards getting a QB, LB and a O-Lineman. :dolphins:
 
Trekbiz said:
Geez, what kind of Cap voodoo are they doing up there in Indy. They've got an awful stacked roster to still be able to keep all their offensive talent. Dosen't seem like they've had a major roster loss in a number of years.
Have I missed one?

The contract that Manning signed is cap friendly....like Marino's was for the Dolphins.
 
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